American Music Club: Classic or Dud?

To restate the obvious: Mercury is awful. Holy shit, I can't make it through a single song.

it's messy but has a few great tracks - I've Been A Mess is wonderful

o_O

This reminds me of the Jeff Buckley c/d thread.

To state the obvious: Mercury is great. No question.

There's some crap on Mercury

Apology, Mess, Mathis, Gratitude are all A grade

Too much noodling, half formed songs elsewhere.

Everclear is tight, nowhere near as much filler

Oh and Hammer is great too

Keep Me Around is just a throwaway single, they never integrated the rockier and the more reflective stuff that well.

If I snap my fingers what will I get?
If I snap my fingers what will I get?
If I snap my fingers what will I get?
That's right, anything I want
Anything I want

http://markeitzel.blogspot.com/2011/10/to-people-who-ask-me-if-amc-are-touring.html

in case anyone was wondering. I wouldn't put bets on seeing AMC again, but then, that's what I thought ten years ago.

^That's a great lyric. Note to self: listen to more Eitzel

To restate the obvious: Mercury is awful. Holy shit, I can't make it through a single song.

Mercury is a complete classic. Not as much as Everclear but means almost as much to me, for various other reasons.

now listening to an AMC album through for the first time (Mercury). I like it a lot. Reminds me a bit of Red House Painters although a bit more hard edged.

Mercury is great. Means a lot to me too -- still remember buying it when it came out.

Mercury is certainly an extremely 90's sounding record, with too much Froom calliope circus noise and chamberlain and tympani and oompah and crap but the songs on it are, from top to bottom, great, and I like Froom's work on this album, in fact, I think it's his best production work. But there is an alternate, Kevin Killan version of the album around if you prefer that. The big change was making If I Had a Hammer 3/4 rather than 4/4.

I astonished by all the hate for Mercury. It might be my fave and it is certainly one of the most important albums in my life.

incidentally I saw mark last week or the week before in SF, he played with Marc Cappelle and a pickup band that included a bassist and the drummer from Loquat, and it was wonderful. Mark and Marc together are really great. It's not AMC but he's worked with Cappelle longer than anyone in his career at this point and they ahve their shit down. Mark is finishing an album right now (Vudi is on it and a bunch of other people are as well but it's not coming out as an AMC record) and I expect it will be very good.

Mark is finishing an album right now (Vudi is on it and a bunch of other people are as well but it's not coming out as an AMC record) and I expect it will be very good.

I'm sure it will be as well but unfortunately I would only buy it if it came out as an AMC record

If I snap my fingers what will I get?
If I snap my fingers what will I get?
If I snap my fingers what will I get?
That's right, anything I want
Anything I want

God, that song. Easily one of the best things Mark and the band ever did. I'm resigned to buying everything that he ever puts out, just because, but I'd love it if AMC could have another one-last-hurrah, with Kaphan back because their sound was never lovelier than with him. Can't imagine it will ever happen though.

Mark and Marc together are really great

co-sign. I saw their man and piano show in the UK a few years back and it was wonderful.

I think Mercury may be my favorite AMC album, I'm surprised it is so hated.

one more rep for 'California'

great album. sad, lonely, and drunken, but great.

Tim Mooney (AMC's drummer on Mercury, San Francisco, and Love Songs for Patriots, as well as being drummer for Toiling Midgets and others) passed away last night. he was 54.

sad news! he was an amazing drummer, also in The Sleepers.

Oh no! I enjoy his drumming in Toiling Midgets.

What?!? That sucks, so sad. He was a great drummer. I was bummed when he didn't appear on The Golden Age after producing and playing on Love Songs For Patriots. Was hoping he'd get back with them some day, but I guess that won't be happening.

RIP

I've just discovered this. Really gutted.

Damn. RIP.

Mark and Vudi are selling the original paintings by Jean Lowe for the Everclear and San Francisco covers, with all proceeds to Tim Mooney's family. Wonderful paintings, and a beautiful gesture by them - if had sufficient funds to spare I'd love to own either of those pieces (but esp. San Fran).

Everclear on ebay now, San Francisco to follow

wow, wish I could buy the everclear one

Have had the pleasure of listening to Mark's new album, "Don't be a Stranger". It's very nice. Maybe too nice for some people; it's a mature work, that recalls 60 Watt Silver Lining more than anything else he's done. It's missing some of the fire and intensity of Love Songs for sure, and probably has more incommon with the Golden Age, so if you liked that album (I loved it; it wasn't really meant to come out as an AMC album either) you will probably like this. He is doing a short promotional tour of the UK now with a bigger tour (backed with a band) to follow this fall.

Just picked up 'Don't Be a Stranger' this weekend, really enjoying it. '60 Watt Silver Lining' a good reference point, was listening to it earlier in the week and the new one has a similar mood to it.

FWIW 'Mercury' and 'San Fransisco' were the first full albums I owned by AMC and they didn't put me off. Easily available at the time! It was actually hearing "Another Morning" on an Uncut CD that first piqued my interest, but I'd known of them well before then.

Gotta get this new one, I never got Brannan Street, that one had a smaller print

One of my favorite songs of the year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfJKHr-OaOc

His voice is fucking amazing. I saw him live two years ago in a bar in Berlin, on his two-man with Marc Capelle, and it was one of the most memorable gigs I've attended because it suddenly occurred to me (embarrassingly, after 20 years of fandom) that he is such a great singer.

*two-man tour*

yes, the piano + mark thing totally reveals his voice as being UNBELIEVABLE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6SpTqYeL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6SpTqYeL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NPsfv6IuWQ

yes

yes yes yes fuck

as sad as it is, mark eitzel is totally my perfect life soundtrack right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1VHrK2267Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1VHrK2267Y

not an official video.

beautiful song

I preferred the solo Candy Ass version of "Sleeping Beauty". But that AMC version is great too.

I think the solo Ugly American version of "Last Harbour" is superior to the AMC original.

No AMC/Eitzel news and I've not been listening recently either...

I just wanted to talk about how strange and wonderful United Kingdom is and that it really doesnt get enough praise. The first track "Here They Roll Down" must be one of the most mysterious songs I've ever heard and I'm scared of knowing what it is really about because those words really stick in my head and come back to me every now and then and I feel like they carry so much weight that might not stay if I find out what they really mean. The mood in it is really really incredible.

It really taken me a while to find out what people liked about it so much; I've still never really got into California like other people love it.

There are some songs that the idea of them being covered or used inappropriately scares me. I hope "Kathleen" gets treated well forever.

I say this in nearly every bands thread but here I go again: I've got a lot of catching up to do with Eitzel's discography. I still dont have the first two AMC records and I dont know if there are any easy to find b-side collections.

I have "United Kingdom" and "California" on one CD, good but really, really intense. I love their debut, "The Restless Stranger", it's got more light to it, rocks a bit more too. I don't think there are any official b-side collections.

I'm sure the band used to sell a best of/b-sides compilation on their reunion tour. I imagine the singles are hard to find now.

Not a big UK fan although "Here They Roll Down" is indeed a good one. Still haven't ever heard The Restless Stranger.

restless stranger is much better than it's reputation used to be. engine is an absolute classic, sometimes I think it's their best album (though I think that about each album at different times).

there is no news on the AMC front in particular except that Tom Mallon (who recorded the albums through UK and worked as drummer and bassist at different times) is dying.

That's horrible. I feel like every time I check up on Eitzel's blog or anything about the band, people are having a rough time.

I really had no idea Eitzel had an album out last year.

I've heard there has been efforts to get the early albums reissued. I just saw that there is a pre- Restless Stranger demo/album called Inspirational Songs. Never heard of this before. Is this recently unearthed?

Which is a maybe a weird favorite but I love the atmosphere

Yeah, the atmosphere on most of that album was initially impenetrable but once I got it, like esp. on Night Watchman, I was hooked.

Engine was my starting point, hated it for about 10 plays and then realised its brilliance. Still one of my favourites (they all are to be honest, I even think San Francisco is a work of genius).

Engine seems to be the forgotten AMC album. To the extent you read about this band, it's about how great California and Everclear are, how forgettable Restless Stranger is, how enigmatic United Kingdom is, how overblown Mercury and San Francisco are, but nothing about Engine.

I first encountered AMC with "I'm in Heaven Now' on the Homestead Human Music compilation (1988). In fact I discovered so many of my all time favourite bands through that one album.

Engine is phenomenal, it's probably my #2 after California.

Engine got them enough attention in the UK music press to pave the way for the accolades that were showered onto California when it came out. At least that's the way I recall it.

Just relistened to The Golden Age. It's great. It's maybe a bit too long. 2 or 3 of its 13 songs could maybe be cut.

i know
i know

that's not really you

that recent vinyl reissue of The Ugly American is really really great. that is all.

I hope to nab that at some point.

Re-listening to Engine. I still don't quite get it. I've been listening to AMC since buying United Kingdom in 1989. For me the "canon" begins with California. But I'm probably influenced by the UK press at the time,

It was Allan Jones waxing lyrical about Engine in Melody Maker that first turned me onto AMC.

I recall he described it as a masterpiece.

there's a bit about the UK reception for Engine in Sean Body's AMC book:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4jgb3PDUuPkC&pg=PA56&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

Big night, Nightwatchmen, This year are all unfuckwithable.
other than that Outside this bar, and ...maybe... Gary's song are fine but maybe rely too heavily on the solipsism of alcoholism (I used to love both).

alcoholism and solipsism that is.

For me At My Mercy is one of the great early AMC songs, and Asleep/This Year is a fantastic way to close the album.

Actually fuck yeh the first side

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Reissue announcement imminent?

some of the bandcamp listings - Restless Stranger/Engine/UK/California now renamed as 'digi only release before 2022 physical remasters'

Someone from Decor Records (who I assume are doing the reissues) just tweeted out a request for old (pre-1994) AMC concert photos, posters etc. Hope this means there'll be some nice illustrated booklets with them. I sent them a couple of old ticket stubs, be still my beating heart.

wonder if i have anything. I think I had a habit of picking up posters from gigs I went to in my hitching years. So now have to wonder where they might be, if i could have actually brought them over with me.
& if i have a ticket from The Tivoli in Dublin or if my chance meeting of them outside the Virgin on the Quays meant I never got one

I'm hearing that Mark had a heart attack, but is ok right now.

yeah from his facebook:

Hey everybody, Mark had a heart attack yesterday but is resting now and doing ok. He is hoping to be back home soon. Sending good health to him now in bed.

oh jeez, I hate this

That would be his second, right? He had one in 2011, IIRC. Glad to hear he's doing ok.

protect mark eitzel at all costs

yes this is his second, it was apparently worse than the first one which is troubling though he was up telling everyone about it on instagram when it happened.

When she first saw him
In her blood she knew her role
He'd be king of the castle
She'd be the riches he stole

Some only wander through
The empty rooms of their soul
They need the ashes of others
To make them whole

anyone with a big living room in those locations?

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