What does it mean for a piece of music to "rock"?

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These sound like Jack Black quotes from School of Rock.

incidentally I was just quoting the house music monologue and replacing "house" with "rock"

blapplebees (crüt), Saturday, 6 August 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NSn5RfxoXs

blapplebees (crüt), Saturday, 6 August 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

imo music that "rocks" tends to a) sound like someone broke a sweat playing it or b) like you'll break a sweat if you move to it in the way that it inspires you to, but not necessarily dancing.

some dude, Saturday, 6 August 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link

i judge how much music "rocks" by counting how many people I challenged to a fight while the song was playing

Neanderthal, Saturday, 6 August 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link

Don't know if there are any musicological studies on the question, but honestly, I'm not sure that it merits it. Tend to think that Chuck's off-the-cuff definition is actually pretty adequate. (Wouldn't include an emphasis on swinging, though. Rock can swing but doesn't have to.)

timellison, Saturday, 6 August 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

it may not mean a thing but can still rock

some dude, Saturday, 6 August 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link

Well, like "School Days" swings but "Johnny B. Goode" does not.

timellison, Saturday, 6 August 2011 01:55 (twelve years ago) link

dude, amateurist, if you can't figure this shit out in 8 years maybe its time to get another aggravating hobby.

scott seward, Saturday, 6 August 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

what do you mean? are you satisfied with the definition chuck gave? i'm not.

every time i criticize or mock chuck eddy i get more vitriol than if i had just made the same points w/o mentioning eddy, so obviously a lot of folks here have got his back. which is fine.

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 6 August 2011 03:52 (twelve years ago) link

in other words i grant the chuck eddy-baiting part is aggravating if you don't share my antipathy to his writing but if the other questions about music are "aggravating," well i dunno sorry. i guess we think about music differently. i still think you are awesome.

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 6 August 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link

also dude scott i'm guessing you have some concerns and interests that you had 8 yrs ago no? even if baiting chuck eddy and wondering what a definition of "rocking" might look like aren't among them.

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 6 August 2011 03:54 (twelve years ago) link

Well, why is the definition unsatisfying?

timellison, Saturday, 6 August 2011 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

it doesn't rock

blapplebees (crüt), Saturday, 6 August 2011 03:56 (twelve years ago) link

i already explained why. it begs the question of what "forward motion" might mean in musical terms!

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 6 August 2011 03:59 (twelve years ago) link

Chuck's words were "to propel with forward motion." "To propel" is, I think, key. And, again, I don't find this, as at least part of the definition, to be vague or inadequate.

timellison, Saturday, 6 August 2011 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

This is like asking what makes pizza " delicious"

fappin' duke (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 August 2011 04:47 (twelve years ago) link

lol i cant believe amt is still carrying this beef around with him. i remember the great what-is-rock wars of 03 - heres the thing, if you're so interested in chuck's definition of it, just read his shit for a while and it becomes easy to anticipate what he will find to be 'rockin' after a while

tbh i can count on one hand the number of rock critics who i think dont deserve to be thrown on a giant barge and floated out to the middle of the arctic ocean where they'll have to kill and skin each other to create mounds of blubber they can survive off of, and chuck's one of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKbsdMRqhcI (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 6 August 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link

TamTam will u marry me?

i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 6 August 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link

rock is its own reward

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Saturday, 6 August 2011 05:31 (twelve years ago) link

read his shit

chawki (buzza), Saturday, 6 August 2011 05:53 (twelve years ago) link

This is like asking what makes pizza " delicious"

― fappin' duke (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, August 5, 2011 11:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

how so?

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 6 August 2011 07:33 (twelve years ago) link

does tetzuki akiyama rock?

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 6 August 2011 07:33 (twelve years ago) link

lol tam tam shill

chawki (buzza), Saturday, 6 August 2011 07:35 (twelve years ago) link

some irritating troll somewhere

^^ missed amateurist display name opportunity

uh oh whats your fantasy (flopson), Saturday, 6 August 2011 08:05 (twelve years ago) link

MUSIC CRITCS ARE THE ART OF PRETEND FORGETFULLNESS

chawki (buzza), Saturday, 6 August 2011 08:29 (twelve years ago) link

Cootie Williams on swing: "Define it? I'd rather tackle Einstein's theory!" Holding one man's feet to the fire on what it means to rock seems sort of obsessive. Probably the best you can ask of a non-musician is to give examples, and he's been more than accommodating.

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 6 August 2011 12:49 (twelve years ago) link

tbh chuck's writing style and circular logic drive me nuts a lot of the time and i kind of enjoy amt's archnemesis thing w/ him but this "rock" debate is just pointless

some dude, Saturday, 6 August 2011 13:11 (twelve years ago) link

actually i don't care what chuck's opinion on this topic is. he was just the impetus to ask the question. i don't think he takes the concept for granted any more than anyone else, really.

sorry for being so grumpy these past few days! i've been stressed IRL.

by another name (amateurist), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:02 (twelve years ago) link

I would be pretty stressed too if I didn't even know what rock was

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:09 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Rock is cowbell

calstars, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:11 (nine years ago) link

Rock is tin he spaces between the beats

calstars, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:12 (nine years ago) link

Rock is a ham hock in your milkshake.

Bo Diddley Is A Threadkiller (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link

Not precisely, but Marcus has made more or less the same point: "If the artist made a record intending to convince all right-thinking people to send money to the I.R.A., but the record is in Swedish and nobody can know that, it's sort of pointless to discuss the guy's intentions. What you really have to discuss is what is it like to hear a record in Swedish, and does it have a good beat?"

I like the idea that no one could conceivably understand a song that was written in Swedish.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 02:28 (nine years ago) link

actually it's just an english-language record running backward

espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

This is like asking what makes pizza " delicious"

― fappin' duke (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, August 5, 2011 11:47 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is that because the answer is obvious and/or because the question isn't worth asking?

b/c the simplest answer is that pizza is delicious because it is sweet and salty and fatty. but a lot of foods are those things, and chances are we wouldn't find all of them delicious. i guess i find some questions interesting that other people don't.

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 17 October 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvABt2uXRzY

am0n, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link

if you gotta ask, you'll never know.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link

rot

am0n, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link

styx rocks

am0n, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:45 (seven years ago) link

ranking ac/dc songs that say 'rock' in them

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link


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