i thought it was just one guy?
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:50 (five years ago) Permalink
mars waters - where the sun sets
i guess 'surf rock' is kinda a big thing now but its p subtle here, just a steady and wistful thud, feel like this spots the comfort and wonder in being 'totally generic'
borden, ferraro, godin, nalo & lopatin - twilight pacific
space and time are two different things ooooh space and time are two very different things...
pedro magina - kickflip
have i posted this before? this tape is one my fave things so far this year, squelchy and mournful synth jamz layer on layer
― funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this (Lamp), Friday, 5 August 2011 01:15 (five years ago) Permalink
Pedro Magina tape is on Spotify (shockingly):
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 5 August 2011 01:26 (five years ago) Permalink
Why do Ford & Lopatin get tagged as chillwave? I seriously dont' understand that at all.
― Clarke B., Friday, 5 August 2011 15:08 (five years ago) Permalink
this probably is more of tumblr post but its origins are in ilx so:
i've been thinking a fair bit about the discussion/argument that i had w/ whiney on i guess another thread about the value of 'chillwave' & particularly about the way 'nostalgia' functions as an important emotional and aesthetic throughline w/in the 'genre'. upthread i ref'd lovecraft saying 'the past is real. it's all there is' & i think this is vital to understanding in large part whats attractive/'relevant' about chillwave/the larger cultural moment. like i was reading robertson davies today and he was saying something about how 'history is the way we make sense of the present' but how do we make sense of a present that is largely indistinguishable from the past?
this evening i was djing a party where they wanted '90s classics' and it was both disconcerting and unremarkable to see ppl barely out of their teens dancing along to mid-90s house classix; there was little to no divide btw the people who might be old enough to remember the songs i was playing fondly & the people for whom these songs should have little personal/historical meaning... isnt one of the consequences of technology to help divorce cultural artifacts from history? or put another way: if i still have access to the cultural products and ephemera of my childhood via youtube, torrents, ebay &c &c isnt my affection/consumption of them essentially present-tense?
i mean plax has been smarter/more eloquent about this but i think the more retro-steeped parts of 'chillwave' are partly about confronting a past that constantly surrounds us and dealing w/ the difference in emotional states btw 'then' and 'now'. or more clearly in talking about how the past never leaves us both emotionally (we still have access to those memory/feelings) or culturally (i still hear/see those songs/vidz) it makes explicit how pervasive our personal histories are, and how lonely that feels. taking the new washed out record for example i think you can hear this lack of delineation btw modern/historical - the music doesnt really seem to speak formally of any specific moment in time while also sounding vaguely 'dated'. but also taking the lazier, more direct signifier type of thing e.g 'i named my band MIRCO MACHINES remember MICRO MACHINES' this is also a kind of confirmation, of course i remember micro machines, i could buy them on ebay if wanted, theres no mystery or distance but a basic affirmation. i think whiney would probably scoff at this but when our shared culture is so fragmented that kind of confirmation, that we exist at the same time, is kinda valuable/meaningful?
i quoted proust too itt but this isnt about creating madelines but about erecting signposts in a time when memory and experience are almost interchangeable. & this all comes back to my posts about anxiety, in this equation the future stands resolutely outside our xp but the past is perfectly ours, knowable and controlled. so it becomes a refuge.
― Lamp, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:22 (five years ago) Permalink
idk thats pretty convincing but im not sure "the past is perfectly ours" i think the fraught knowability/unknowability of the past is central to how i grasp this whole thing. like the pieces are there but you can never put them back together again.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Sunday, 7 August 2011 18:55 (five years ago) Permalink
yeah i think your right i was p drunk when i wrote this, not that i dont stand behind the central idea but its not totally coherent... there are tensions i guess btw the past as lost eden and the past as slave to the present, thats part of whats driving the music really
― Lamp, Sunday, 7 August 2011 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink
man vondelpark is p great - really into 'california analog dream' its kinda like a mid 00s indie rock song stretched taut and irradiated
― Lamp, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 06:26 (five years ago) Permalink
i dont where else to post about this but ken seeno's tape on nna 'invisible surfer on an invisible wave' is so fucking great just these incredible expanses of synth and space but firmly rooted in the 'natural'. i guess it probably belongs on the knew age thread but i like this thread better and knew agers are just chillwavers in the morning anyway
― ç(° ·· °)ↄ CRUEL HAND OF FATE O YEAH █▬▬ (Lamp), Thursday, 18 August 2011 01:03 (five years ago) Permalink
wet wings - feeeel it
first track off a superlimited tape on atelier ciseaux this kinda feels like a skeleton take on pastoral moanwave but then the drums come in halfway through and it starts to hit harder and the girls voice sounds like wind in the grass
melted toys - lost connection
probably not the best song on their ep but i like how much of a pastiche this particular song is the heaviness of the affections make it seem kinda rootless a bristol board collage of montone dreampop and euro influences
― god hates fats (Lamp), Friday, 26 August 2011 05:35 (five years ago) Permalink
this evening i was djing a party where they wanted '90s classics' and it was both disconcerting and unremarkable to see ppl barely out of their teens dancing along to mid-90s house classix; there was little to no divide btw the people who might be old enough to remember the songs i was playing fondly & the people for whom these songs should have little personal/historical meaning... isnt one of the consequences of technology to help divorce cultural artifacts from history?
That's it right there. Good music is good music. Young people aren't supposed to be able to recognize and enjoy good music? The whole cult of the new, and the obsession with timeliness is imo, a strange type of insanity promoted by journalists who are taught to think only about the news.
― the wheelie king (wk), Friday, 26 August 2011 06:12 (five years ago) Permalink
― some derp (Lamp), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 03:11 (five years ago) Permalink
in honor of both plax AND gr8080 posting on ilx again today:
blackbird blackbird - letting go
darius - maliblue
summer camp - why don't you stay
quilt - penobska oakwalk
― 808 Police State (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:04 (four years ago) Permalink
also for any interested parties reading this i wanna rep hard for the s/t quilt lp on mexican summer. its p squarely post-anco but its so winsome and shimmery u cant really hate.
― 808 Police State (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:18 (four years ago) Permalink
sounds like incredible string band!
― lloyd banksfein (flopson), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 06:17 (four years ago) Permalink
lol! it kinda does...
some utbues ive been listening to:
― im an aerosmith tchotchke (Lamp), Saturday, 14 January 2012 21:45 (four years ago) Permalink
has anyone unarchived the sandbox thread?
that cough cool is great
― flopson, Sunday, 22 January 2012 20:53 (four years ago) Permalink
cough cool suffer from putting out too much stuff - their best tracks are really good, but they've released quite a bit of junk too. tbf most of the junk was free.
― bro-one (electricsound), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:52 (four years ago) Permalink
i think there should be a new thread
― judith, Monday, 23 January 2012 16:50 (four years ago) Permalink
a new era of chill
― judith, Monday, 23 January 2012 16:51 (four years ago) Permalink
rolling off to the forest 2012
― i was a preteen blogger (Lamp), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 02:47 (four years ago) Permalink
this is where we post triphop now right?
― dsb, Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:58 (four years ago) Permalink
― ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 29 April 2013 18:31 (three years ago) Permalink
vive le chillwave!
― Treeship, Friday, 9 January 2015 04:49 (one year ago) Permalink
last year's Eleventeen Eston album is really nice
― brimstead, Friday, 9 January 2015 05:55 (one year ago) Permalink
treeship, i don't know, i didn't get a chillwave vibe from that gypsy and the cat tune, apart from the treatment of the vocals maaaaybe, just seemed to have that same peter hook new order sound that is like the main fucking hallmark of most generic indie pop/rock imo
― marcos, Friday, 9 January 2015 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink
i always thought g&tc were on some anodyne washed-out new order/fleetwood mac thing but i've only ever heard them in the dentists office
― don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Friday, 9 January 2015 21:40 (one year ago) Permalink
yeah, i think "anodyne washed-out new order/fleetwood mac" is a good description for most mass market chillwave. there were a few great chillwave acts but there was also a flood of generic "chill" acts -- both synth and guitar-oriented -- and i think those are also part of the movement. i heard this g&tc song for the first time at shake shack.
― Treeship, Friday, 9 January 2015 21:42 (one year ago) Permalink
― flopson, Friday, 9 January 2015 21:51 (one year ago) Permalink
shit i didnt actually mean to type saxamaphone
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― life is hected (rob), Friday, 9 January 2015 21:58 (one year ago) Permalink
ha i didn't realize that the beach boys' "all i wanna do" is considered proto-chillwave.
― jaymc, Saturday, 4 April 2015 04:53 (one year ago) Permalink
Woah that is uncanny!
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 4 April 2015 06:15 (one year ago) Permalink
Always thought this was proto-chillwave too. "Magic" by Mick Smiley, from the original Ghostbusters movie.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 4 April 2015 06:16 (one year ago) Permalink
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 April 2015 12:13 (one year ago) Permalink
that beach boys thing really is kinda amazing. i haven't listened to that album for years.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 April 2015 15:46 (one year ago) Permalink
it sounds like a new cass mccombs single! i mean even that hazy production is so perfect.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 April 2015 16:03 (one year ago) Permalink
I've often thought of Feel Flows as also being Proto-Chillwave, but it might be closer to Proto-Hypangogic Pop.
Meanwhile, on Wikipedia...
― MarkoP, Saturday, 4 April 2015 17:53 (one year ago) Permalink
idgaf about the rest of his output but those two washed out tunes "a new theory" and "feel it all around" from a few years ago are prtty good imo
― marcos, Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink