Hahaha
― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
at least I recognize I have no thought of my own, and at least the thoughts of my own that I have at my disposal offer up radical critiques of the un-thought that is constantly going on in the rock journalism conversation about subjective responses to music and this ridiculous word-painting poetry of music, and this "it sounds like this or it sounds like that." The thoughts that are not my own that I have at my disposal would completely reject that, and could completely and clearly demonstrate how that's a violence that completely stomps out anything that's interesting about the work. If there is anything worthwhile about the work, it's precisely what isn't reducible to any of these particulars or generalities... It's only something if it sounds like nothing we've ever heard before. So I've never had a thought of my own, but at least I'm not one of these clowns that talk about nothing.
- John Maus
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
dollars 2 donuts this guy has never held down a job in his life, having gone straight from mommy & daddy to college to grad school to being a TA to w/e.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
you guys are still getting trolled ..
― pigeonstreet, Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
i wldnt be so sure.
Z: Do you have any advice for artists or producers these days?JM: No, I have no advice at all. I don’t know a fucking thing at all. I’m an absolute imbecile in every way shape and form. I guess the only advice is to keep going, to keep trying to bring forth more than what there is.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
(crickets)
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
JM: I suppose the earliest album that influenced me, being from the generation that I’m a part of, was of course [Nirvana's 1991 album] Nevermind which really changed everything for me and the musical landscape at large. But, in terms of significant influences there's not really a particular band that comes to mind--just this kind of singular truth that all bands circumscribe together. If you look at the Billboard in the last decade the only number-one hit that hasn’t been hip hop was Nickleback--
the unspoken thought of course being that hip hop is negligible, and not 'serious music.'
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
pomplamoose vs. john maus: discuss
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
they should collab
― Johnmau5 (electricsound), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
what is all bands circumscribe together, sounds vaguely dirty
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
rmde @ this thread
― shastakrautpasta (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
If you look at the Billboard in the last decade the only number-one hit that hasn’t been hip hop was Nickleback--
. . .
― markers, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
ffs the fact that he's a philosophy professor kind of makes sense--you'd have to have a special sort of disconnection from the everyday world to spout the kind of nonsense he's keen on.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:03 AM (1 hour ago)
I don't think any of the clueless/tedious shit that JM is supposed to have said is as clueless and tedious as this piece of cliched shit about philosophy professors.
― emil.y, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
okay fine, that was a rude thing to say. my experiences with academia were not good.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
other unspoken thought is that everything that isn't rock must be hip hop
― some dude, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
Trailer for this thread is like: "Two trolls enter..."
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
well tbf, it sounds like he's talking about "bands" there
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
who is this guy?
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
indie rock
― one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
<3 <3 <3
― Magic (Lamp), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
I would totally hang out with this guy. As long as he didn't try to make me listen to his music. Shit, "Yakety Sax" was my ringtone up until like June.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
By the way, the funniest thing about this thread? That the poll results won't be in for a month, when nobody's gonna be talking about this dude 18 hours from now.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― markers, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link
I'm pretty sure at this point that all the reaction is much more nauseating than the original interview was.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
so either this guy is setting up an elaborate troll facade or he's an aspie who's in too deep... in either case i don't understand why people are having such a visceral reaction to him... many of the comments here are straight up bashing and don't lend any perspective
― pigeonstreet, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGri7i8Y2Y
― markers, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:28 (twelve years ago) link
i love when you say "aspie"
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://twitter.com/#!/pitchforkmedia/status/98914891456458752
― markers, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:27 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
pls point me to this "nauseating" reaction!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link
No specific reaction, just all the attention! Its nauseating to think of much energy and effort people are putting into stupid things he said for a pretty fluffy interview.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 4 August 2011 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
"think of how much"
tbh, the funniest part is how it's basically a fluffy Sufjan Beat softball interview and dude just goes ham for no reason
― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 August 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
and you don't appreciate it, at least in a game-recognize-game type of way?
― sarahel, Thursday, 4 August 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
damn miss u sufjan beat, free catbird imo
― markers, Thursday, 4 August 2011 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
good point, sarahel! tbh. i think i would probably be down with a maus-goin-ham interview if his music wasn't total schlock. double standard, i guess \o_O/
― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 August 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
WE GOT CHEESE FLYIN OUT
― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 August 2011 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
I don't rate his music but give everything I've read (interviews) and seen (live performance) he is fucking hilarious, and I'm pretty sure it's intentional (to a degree).
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 4 August 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/WikipediaCounterVandalism20060611.png
― buzza, Thursday, 4 August 2011 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
is carrot top a lecturer or a student?
― buzza, Thursday, 4 August 2011 04:24 (twelve years ago) link
thought that was dj mom jeans
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Thursday, 4 August 2011 05:35 (twelve years ago) link
So, I called him an asshole on Twitter (though not directly) and he read it and struck up a surprisingly gentlemanly exchange where he apologised for coming across as a dick and I apologised for badmouthing someone I've never met off the back of a Q&A. (I don't like slagging people off on Twitter but it's easy to do it in a flash of irritation.) He seems genuinely depressed and regretful about the whole thing. He's since deleted our conversation so that the only thing on his Twitter feed is his apology.
Made me realise that I normally applaud provocative, pretentious interviewees but when one of them says something I violently disagree with (ie the record shops line) I can be as quick to shoot down their whole personality as anybody. Anyway, he seems like a decent enough guy who wanted to have some fun with a meat-and-potatoes Q&A and was naive enough not to anticipate a backlash. Or maybe I'm just a sucker for anyone who responds to criticism with "my bad" rather than "fuck you".
THIS is what happens when the accelerated blog culture forces us to play firsties firsties firsties all the time, and thus pull some dysfunctional social retard from obscurity and shove a microphone in his face and tweetblast his moron dribblings to 1,000,000 twitter followers.
This is bullshit. The music press has always run short, early interviews with acclaimed but cult-level new artists. You seem to forget that music journalism existed before the internet. And whatever else Maus may be he's clearly not a moron.
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Thursday, 4 August 2011 11:56 (twelve years ago) link
I am still waiting for this ridiculous man to endear himself to me and he's not doing a very good job of it.
― Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Thursday, 4 August 2011 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
but having read DL's post just there, I guess some people just aren't supposed to be interviewed.
― Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Thursday, 4 August 2011 12:36 (twelve years ago) link
I thought whiney was the dude who is super into chillwave!?
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 8:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― blapplebees (crüt), Thursday, 4 August 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
Kind of lol to think of James Blunt, Carrie Underwood, Daniel Powter, Plain White Ts, Coldplay, etc., as rappers.
― jaymc, Thursday, 4 August 2011 13:54 (twelve years ago) link
can we talk about jean-luc nancy in this thread too? I am reading his book the deconstruction of christianity right now and enjoying it; I read some of corpus before and dug that too
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 4 August 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
also I guess I'm late to this clusterfuck but how hilarious is it that the artist/audience/retailer/media relationship in the indie blogosphere has become so poisonous that everyone would assume [random indie flavor-of-the-month X] is looking to take some totally unprovoked shots at their barely-solvent mom&pop operations, when he is p.clearly taking part in the time-honored indie tradition of anti-corporate rhetoric
(answer: less hilarious than it is sad)
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 4 August 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
It's interesting that Whiney's perspective is so warped by the internet's hall of mirrors that Maus's comments can only be read as "trolling" (just as a certain kind of reader assumes that every contentious opinion piece is just a SEO ploy) rather than part of a decades-old tradition of smart musicians mouthing off in interviews. It's a faulty assumption to think that every single musician working today is as interested in the mechanics of online discourse as most ILXors are. In the 80s people used to say all kinds of interesting, sometimes asshole-ish, inflammatory shit - it's not some new development.
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Thursday, 4 August 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
I wasn't the one who said he was trolling, I said he was a dumbass
― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 August 2011 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
'trolling' not really exclusively used to talk abt online interaction either at this point
― magna cumlord (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 4 August 2011 14:24 (twelve years ago) link