Most of Bad sounds pneumatic to me.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Bad doesn't stand up to Thriller but it's still pretty good! the biggest crime against it is the production which is very "late 80's"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
while Dangerous is really the first MJ album that's straight up boring in spots. I mean it's "Jam", "Black and White", "Will You Be There?", and a bunch of songs that sound like "Jam"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
a good thing, I assure you.
But, seriously, "Who Is It" does not sound like "Jam." "Can't Let Her Get Away" doesn't sound like "Jam" – it's faster.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
"Give In To Me" does not sound like "Jam." A far superior "Dirty Diana," yes.
1. "Give In To Me"2. "Who Is It"
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
like I said I'll have to give it another listen, I just think Bad switched it up more and had stronger songwriting overall. a lot of New Jack Swing sounds the same to me.
had they condensed Dangerous to 40 minutes though, no doubt it would be the better album
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
Primetime new jack >>> Post-peak QJ
But there's still some great moments on Bad. You do not fuck with "The Way You Make Me Feel," "I Just Can't Stop Loving You," "Smooth Criminal" and "Man in the Mirror."
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
... album's strangely backloaded.
I always liked "Speed Demon", mainly because it always reminded me of the Sega Genesis.
That whole MJ/Sonic 3 thing is pretty damn interesting
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
epic storm of "give in to me" vs tense tautness of "in the closet"
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
WHO IS IT?!?
― (oboe interlude) (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
I have a soft spot for "Will You Be There?" though (I've watched Free Willy on VHS sooooooo many times), also "In The Closet" and "Rememebr the Time" r dope.
― (oboe interlude) (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
For me it's Why You Wanna Trip on Me?
Love the hollered melodic chorus, the New Jack Swing beat, and everything about it.
Great album, really only two tracks I don't like I think?
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
This was playing the other week when I wandered through the local Borders (mostly to boggle at the huge crush for useless markdowns) and "Remember the Time" sounded perfect in that context.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
btw on my brass band's upcoming record, we're doing two songs from each mj album. for this one it's 'why you wanna trip on me' and 'black or white' ('remember the time' was already on a previous album).
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 5 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
and a bunch of songs that sound like "Jam"
This would be a good thing, right?
― Tim F, Saturday, 6 August 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Remember The Time!
― corey, Saturday, 6 August 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 6 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
Missed this, but I probably wouldn't have voted anyway because I cannot pick a favourite. Two thirds of this album is superb, and the recording/mixing/general production is squeaky clean.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 August 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
and no votes for "Black or White!"
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 August 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
listening to this today and it's still not better than bad but boy is "black or white" twenty times more incredible than it already is as it blasts out of "heal the world."
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
also i apparently have the version of this record where "black or white" is (rightly) the single edit
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
Dangerous feels much less dated than Bad to me. Also I can't stand Bad these days.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 7 August 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
it's a shame Jam got no votes, but other than that GOOD WORK ILM
― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 7 August 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
wtf is with a 4 day poll, give it at least a week! i feel terrible that my lack of knowledge of this thread resulted in a goose egg for "Jam."
― some dude, Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
featuring rap by HEAVY D
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
"Who is It" definitely deserved to come in second, no matter how many people participated. Song's got layers.
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
yea that song's hot.
IS IT A FRIEND OF MI-INEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
Just wondering if anyone thinks Bad is a better record than Dangerous. Because I wasn't sure.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:42 (twelve years ago) link
poll
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:43 (twelve years ago) link
xp The intro skit on "Black or White" is the WORST
― billstevejim, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:43 (twelve years ago) link
the sad part about having this version of the record is that it also cuts the intro to "will you be there"
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:46 (twelve years ago) link
I figured five days was long enough for an album as popular as Dangerous. I've started week and ten-day long polls which got less responses.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:37 (twelve years ago) link
oh i know, i just wasn't online as much this week and was bummed i missed this. still think a week minimum should be standard though.
― Autism Alamac (some dude), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah really shocked at the 0 votes for "Jam". thought "Black or White" would at least get one too.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 13:21 (twelve years ago) link
KEEP IT IN THE CLOSET
― Battlestar Gracián (crüt), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 05:49 (twelve years ago) link
Popmatters publishes an admirable attempt to rescue Dangerous from Nirvana.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 September 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
That article just reconfirms why I prefer Nevermind to Dangerous - it's simply more consistent. Right, all that death of pop stuff was/is baloney. But the author fails to convince that the momentum-killing ballads are worth anyone's time. In fact, he barely mentions them and certainly doesn't submit them to the same detailed analysis as the rhythm monsters. The first six cuts are my vote for MJ's finest ever moment so I particularly despise "Heal the World" for stopping the train.
Then again, Eric Weisbard wrote a provocative blurb in that year's Pazz disdaining "inhumanely consistent" product like Nevermind. I'm paraphrasing from fuzzy memory but basically, he claimed that Garth Brooks' Ropin' the Wind and Dangerous were better models for democracy because they contained genuinely godawful songs.
And yeah, best track here is "Jam."
― Kevin John Bozelka, Friday, 30 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
The first six cuts are my vote for MJ's finest ever moment so I particularly despise "Heal the World" for stopping the train.
This, this time a billion. Fortunately we are able to DELETE the duds and be left with a wall of top treats.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 30 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
This album is really good!! "Jam", "Keep The Faith", "Black or White", "Will You Be There", etc
― goya cézanne (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 06:50 (eleven years ago) link
the 33 1/3 on this is so far pretty good and very very mad
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
thread also sort of revived to talk about how massive "in the closet" is
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
'Why You Wanna Trip On Me'... great backing vocals.
― Welcome To (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link
http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-guy-who-did-the-rap-on-michael-jacksons-black-or-white-213
― jaymc, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link
wow!
― lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
I'm no music expert, but I can't think of an earlier example of a huge pop star having a rapper come into their song for a guest verse about two-thirds of the way through the track (something that has become pretty ubiquitous today, on everything from Rihanna's "Umbrella" to Justin Bieber's "Beauty and a Beat"). I asked Bottrell if he had been the first person to do this, and he said, though he had never really thought about it before, he couldn't think of a song where someone had done this before him.
hmmmm
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
Chris Molanphy pointed out on Twitter that "Black or White" wasn't even the first #1 hit with a guest rap. (That was "She Ain't Worth It," by Glenn Medeiros ft. Bobby Brown.)
― jaymc, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
Listening to this over the weekend, it struck me how much of an influence this album had over the following two decades. Justin Timberlake's Jacko worship hasn't gone underreported but it wasn't Thriller and Bad he was listening to growing up, it was this.
― canoon fooder (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 09:41 (eight years ago) link
The only thing I like about "Bad" is that it reminds me of Stevie Wonder's "Ordinary Pain" (the last part of the song) !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 13:23 (seven years ago) link
the synth bass runs in "speed demon" >>>>>>
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
there is literally nothing better on this album than Jacko screaming "remember...my BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 June 2023 02:55 (ten months ago) link
“Jam” is such an odd, hookless song. I’m still surprised that it was the lead-off single
― beamish13, Thursday, 15 June 2023 13:59 (ten months ago) link
"Black or White" was the first single.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:01 (ten months ago) link
Which was an even stranger move, but less strange than "The Girl is Mine" and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" as leadoffs
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:03 (ten months ago) link
remember how pissed off parents were at the extended "Black or White" video?
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:06 (ten months ago) link
I remember how pissed off I was.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:11 (ten months ago) link
“Cut. What the fuck was that?”
-John Landis
― beamish13, Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:14 (ten months ago) link
lol....mom was yelling at the tv "HOW CAN FOX SHOW THIS WHEN KIDS ARE WATCHING? HE KEEPS GRABBING HIS CROTCH AND THRUSTING!"
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:25 (ten months ago) link
to be fair.....it was pretty fucking weird
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:28 (ten months ago) link
yeah esp since the song had already ended
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:40 (ten months ago) link