Can't imagine any votes for any other songs but the first three.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
the video for "Stranger in Moscow" is especially poignant after his death
― remy bean, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
Man, I'd forgotten about "Stranger in Moscow." It's gorgeous.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
maybe "Earth Song"? but yeah, that is one hell of a frontloaded album. i think most people just turn it off after the first six or so songs. how many songs can you name on the second half without looking?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
Earth Song sucks BALLS. but yeah it's major major filler filled especially in the second half with fucking Childhood and Smile
― Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ not the right metaphor here
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
bad is totally better than this record.
― preschoolin' life (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
Gross!
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
Both Bad and Dangerous are undervalued.
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Most of Bad sounds pneumatic to me.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Bad doesn't stand up to Thriller but it's still pretty good! the biggest crime against it is the production which is very "late 80's"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
while Dangerous is really the first MJ album that's straight up boring in spots. I mean it's "Jam", "Black and White", "Will You Be There?", and a bunch of songs that sound like "Jam"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
a good thing, I assure you.
But, seriously, "Who Is It" does not sound like "Jam." "Can't Let Her Get Away" doesn't sound like "Jam" – it's faster.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
"Give In To Me" does not sound like "Jam." A far superior "Dirty Diana," yes.
1. "Give In To Me"2. "Who Is It"
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
like I said I'll have to give it another listen, I just think Bad switched it up more and had stronger songwriting overall. a lot of New Jack Swing sounds the same to me.
had they condensed Dangerous to 40 minutes though, no doubt it would be the better album
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
Primetime new jack >>> Post-peak QJ
But there's still some great moments on Bad. You do not fuck with "The Way You Make Me Feel," "I Just Can't Stop Loving You," "Smooth Criminal" and "Man in the Mirror."
― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
... album's strangely backloaded.
I always liked "Speed Demon", mainly because it always reminded me of the Sega Genesis.
That whole MJ/Sonic 3 thing is pretty damn interesting
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
epic storm of "give in to me" vs tense tautness of "in the closet"
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
WHO IS IT?!?
― (oboe interlude) (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
I have a soft spot for "Will You Be There?" though (I've watched Free Willy on VHS sooooooo many times), also "In The Closet" and "Rememebr the Time" r dope.
― (oboe interlude) (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
For me it's Why You Wanna Trip on Me?
Love the hollered melodic chorus, the New Jack Swing beat, and everything about it.
Great album, really only two tracks I don't like I think?
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
This was playing the other week when I wandered through the local Borders (mostly to boggle at the huge crush for useless markdowns) and "Remember the Time" sounded perfect in that context.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
btw on my brass band's upcoming record, we're doing two songs from each mj album. for this one it's 'why you wanna trip on me' and 'black or white' ('remember the time' was already on a previous album).
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 5 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
and a bunch of songs that sound like "Jam"
This would be a good thing, right?
― Tim F, Saturday, 6 August 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Remember The Time!
― corey, Saturday, 6 August 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 6 August 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
Missed this, but I probably wouldn't have voted anyway because I cannot pick a favourite. Two thirds of this album is superb, and the recording/mixing/general production is squeaky clean.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 6 August 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
and no votes for "Black or White!"
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 August 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
listening to this today and it's still not better than bad but boy is "black or white" twenty times more incredible than it already is as it blasts out of "heal the world."
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
also i apparently have the version of this record where "black or white" is (rightly) the single edit
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
Dangerous feels much less dated than Bad to me. Also I can't stand Bad these days.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 7 August 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
it's a shame Jam got no votes, but other than that GOOD WORK ILM
― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 7 August 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
wtf is with a 4 day poll, give it at least a week! i feel terrible that my lack of knowledge of this thread resulted in a goose egg for "Jam."
― some dude, Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
featuring rap by HEAVY D
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
"Who is It" definitely deserved to come in second, no matter how many people participated. Song's got layers.
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:57 (twelve years ago) link
yea that song's hot.
IS IT A FRIEND OF MI-INEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
Just wondering if anyone thinks Bad is a better record than Dangerous. Because I wasn't sure.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:42 (twelve years ago) link
poll
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:43 (twelve years ago) link
xp The intro skit on "Black or White" is the WORST
― billstevejim, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:43 (twelve years ago) link
the sad part about having this version of the record is that it also cuts the intro to "will you be there"
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:46 (twelve years ago) link
I figured five days was long enough for an album as popular as Dangerous. I've started week and ten-day long polls which got less responses.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:37 (twelve years ago) link
oh i know, i just wasn't online as much this week and was bummed i missed this. still think a week minimum should be standard though.
― Autism Alamac (some dude), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah really shocked at the 0 votes for "Jam". thought "Black or White" would at least get one too.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 13:21 (twelve years ago) link
KEEP IT IN THE CLOSET
― Battlestar Gracián (crüt), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 05:49 (twelve years ago) link
Popmatters publishes an admirable attempt to rescue Dangerous from Nirvana.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 September 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
That article just reconfirms why I prefer Nevermind to Dangerous - it's simply more consistent. Right, all that death of pop stuff was/is baloney. But the author fails to convince that the momentum-killing ballads are worth anyone's time. In fact, he barely mentions them and certainly doesn't submit them to the same detailed analysis as the rhythm monsters. The first six cuts are my vote for MJ's finest ever moment so I particularly despise "Heal the World" for stopping the train.
Then again, Eric Weisbard wrote a provocative blurb in that year's Pazz disdaining "inhumanely consistent" product like Nevermind. I'm paraphrasing from fuzzy memory but basically, he claimed that Garth Brooks' Ropin' the Wind and Dangerous were better models for democracy because they contained genuinely godawful songs.
And yeah, best track here is "Jam."
― Kevin John Bozelka, Friday, 30 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
The first six cuts are my vote for MJ's finest ever moment so I particularly despise "Heal the World" for stopping the train.
This, this time a billion. Fortunately we are able to DELETE the duds and be left with a wall of top treats.
― Autumn Almanac, Friday, 30 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
Listening to this over the weekend, it struck me how much of an influence this album had over the following two decades. Justin Timberlake's Jacko worship hasn't gone underreported but it wasn't Thriller and Bad he was listening to growing up, it was this.
― canoon fooder (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 09:41 (eight years ago) link
Does anyone else think "Will you be there" borrows a lot from "Lions after slumber" Scritti, at the end?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 10:26 (eight years ago) link
I'm reading the 33 1/3 book. pretty interesting (if not totally convincing on all theories and lectures).I never really liked this album although I was a huge fanboy of MJ as a kid (circa Thriller mostly).The book made me want to go back to it. I still don't find it great (production and songwriting are not on par with his best stuff to me) but I like it more.Especially "Who is it" which I have rediscovered and which is maybe my favourite from the album now.Also, I have tried to take it as a double album (no reorganization, album 1 simply ending with "Heal the World" and album 2 starting with "Black or White" - minus the horrible intro).It makes a more digest album with 7 tracks on each disc, the 1 being the harder part and the 2 being the soulful part.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 3 June 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
"Who Is It?" is fantastic, also my favorite song on the album.
― STOP KILLING ANIMALS, THEY'RE MINT (DJP), Friday, 3 June 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link
^^^
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link
And it doesn't seem to matterAnd it doesn't seem right'Cause the will has broughtNo fortuneStill I cry alone at nightDon't you judge of my composure'Cause I'm lying to myselfAnd the reason why she left meDid she find someone else ?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
I have finished the 33 1/3 book. good and original point of view and analysis.It made me reevaluate the album.after listening to it a lot lately I still find it far from OTW/Thriller but overall, it's stronger than I remembered.I might like it more than Bad now : no real dud (compared to "Speed Demon", "Dirty Diana", "Bad" and "Can't Stop Loving You" for instance, "Gone too Soon" being the closest) and some good songs I didn't really like previously ("Who is It" being the main rediscovery, as said before).Also, "Jam" is alright but a bit weak as an opener. A bit later, "Scream" was a better remake. They share the same approach and energy but the former has a better chorus.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 12:02 (seven years ago) link
I'll give you "Speed Demon" but IMO the only sin committed by those other songs off of Bad is that they are in close proximity to "The Way You Make Me Feel" and "Smooth Criminal", which are two of my favorite songs that MJ ever recorded.
― STOP KILLING ANIMALS, THEY'RE MINT (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 13:07 (seven years ago) link
Well I have always found "Bad" very average. Not awful but the production/sound is kinda cheap (which is a shame since it is one of the strongest aspects of OTW/Thriller. Just the sound of these albums gives me joy !)."Can't Stop Loving You" also is not awful but meh."Dirty Diana" is annoying in the delivery and arrangements and not a very good song to begin with ("Give in To Me" is a better remake).I have made a version of Bad without these tracks and it's much better !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 13:20 (seven years ago) link
The only thing I like about "Bad" is that it reminds me of Stevie Wonder's "Ordinary Pain" (the last part of the song) !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 13:23 (seven years ago) link
the synth bass runs in "speed demon" >>>>>>
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
there is literally nothing better on this album than Jacko screaming "remember...my BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 June 2023 02:55 (ten months ago) link
“Jam” is such an odd, hookless song. I’m still surprised that it was the lead-off single
― beamish13, Thursday, 15 June 2023 13:59 (ten months ago) link
"Black or White" was the first single.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:01 (ten months ago) link
Which was an even stranger move, but less strange than "The Girl is Mine" and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" as leadoffs
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:03 (ten months ago) link
remember how pissed off parents were at the extended "Black or White" video?
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:06 (ten months ago) link
I remember how pissed off I was.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:11 (ten months ago) link
“Cut. What the fuck was that?”
-John Landis
― beamish13, Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:14 (ten months ago) link
lol....mom was yelling at the tv "HOW CAN FOX SHOW THIS WHEN KIDS ARE WATCHING? HE KEEPS GRABBING HIS CROTCH AND THRUSTING!"
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:25 (ten months ago) link
to be fair.....it was pretty fucking weird
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:28 (ten months ago) link
yeah esp since the song had already ended
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 June 2023 14:40 (ten months ago) link