Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Don't mind Corden coming back because his flat seems to be a serious plot point.

Love the 'you mean you haven't guessed yet" stuff. Looks like loads of fun.

Looks awesome. I'm sure I saw a Portal turret in there, but that might be me just playing too much Portal.

Don't mind Corden coming back because his flat seems to be a serious plot point.

I know we already argued over this spoiler but I'd forgotten in the intervening months, argh

First time Who's featured actual Nazis, right?

Silver Nemesis springs to mind. And lots of stuff in books and audio.

has the Master ever Nazi'd up in novels or BF?

I giuess it's the first time we've seen Nazis in WW2 era, rather than neo-Nazis

Remembrance of the Daleks had The Association, who were basically Nazi stand-ins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBbkSzl63tM

The Moffat Muppet makes an appearance at ComicCon, from the latest Nerdist podcast:

http://www.nerdist.com/2011/07/nerdist-podcast-109-live-at-sdcc-11-w-matt-smith-karen-gillan-wil-wheaton/

Which does feature Wil Wheaton and the podcast principles talking over each other and stepping on each other's stories to get in badly timed jokes.

oops, that should be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBbkSzl63tM

the podcast principals talking over each other and stepping on each other's stories to get in badly timed jokes.

AKA any Nerdist episode that's not hosted by Hardwick solo.

(In those he just talks over the guest and steps on their stories to get in effusive praise that they are the most PHENOMENAL talent in their field, possibly ever!)

That too

Ha, that line at the end of the BBC America trailer is totally Moffat laughing at everybody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEdagYhqBuI&feature=related

river song with an eyepatch, like kovarians, is playing with my head

I hope it turns out she's Melanie Bush.

river song with an eyepatch, like kovarians, is playing with my head

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:06 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This. Would it be completely insane, given that River can maybe regenerate (perhaps, if she is the time baby from early on), that she IS Madame Kovarian somehow? And thus engineers her younger self to kill the Doctor in the spacesuit while her (slightly) younger self tries to stop this from happening?

That feels too timey-wimey but Moffat loves that shit.

Kind of wish Moffat would calm down on this shit slightly myself. I still think his best Who scripts are all from the Rusty era.

I do like the fact that the show is finally getting to grips with time travel and its complexities, though, rather than just using it to arrive somewhere for adventure of the week (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that)

Oh yeah, I´m totally up for all that in theory, I just think Moffat´s plotting has been far less elegant as show runner than when it was on a smaller scale... A tad overambitious perhaps.

Can people please, please stop talking on the thread about things in trailers that some of us might like to be surprised by in a narrative context?

i doubt it tbh. no point posting the trailers if their contents then can't be referred to at all.

well...

^ uses flashblock

i'm inclined to say just don't look at the thread it if you're gonna be so precious about what amounts to no spoilers? but this thread has always played by its own weird rules about spoilers, so i'm not gonna say it very loudly.

Could we post the trailer up and then talk about it? I haven't seen it so really have no idea what's going on up thread, so feel your frustration sic, but if a trailer is available surely we could have it on the thread and chat about it?

Trailer's up the thread a bit, hence why people were talking about it.

Duh, I'm a twunt.

Yeah, I reckon discussing trailers is fair game.

i'm inclined to say just don't look at the thread it if you're gonna be so precious about what amounts to no spoilers?

but I really like the theorising and discussion and nerding out about what's actually aired!

but this thread has always played by its own weird rules about spoilers, so i'm not gonna say it very loudly.

yeah that's the thing - it's not like I'm whinging on the Community thread about all the casting spoilers for imminent episodes.

I do take some strength from the dude in charge of the show these days having p much the same attitude as me though - that the episodes themselves are written to pace reveals and twists and shocks in a dramatic way, and that spoilers fuck up the storytelling for (most of) the audience and the author's intent

A trailer is not a spoiler. If it's been broadcast, it's fair game.

it's a spoiler if the creator didn't want it in the trailer! [not that I'm saying that's happened this time, just that Moffatt's been frustrated by it before. but 99.7% of pre-movie movie trailers are total, awful spoilers]

that argument last time turned into Suzy saying if it was in the Radio Times, or talked about in breakfast television on BBC Scotland, then it was "out there" and there was no way anyone could possibly not immediately report it on this thread. slippery slope innit.

anyway sorry for getting tedious, I was just quietly asking nicely ^^

AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.

xpost Moffat has no problem with official trailers because I do believe those are approved of by the showrunner but he does have a problem with people who attend preview screenings and -then- post spoilers, particularly important plot spoilers. Which I totally understand, while most of whom who do attend the screenings are quick to just write something along the lines eg "a more darker season in tone, a surprise in episode 4, will blow your mind" etc, there are one or two who do let out key plot details and which I have seen floating around in many places. The trailers just show you glimpses but as far as i can see don't really tell you about what's actually going to happen.

this thread is the most spoiler neurotic tv thread i've read on ilx, which either says something about doctor who, or about the kinds of ppl who watch it

Ha ha, could it be because of river songs catchphrase feeding into reality?

lol probably the latter xpost

Just noticed: Doctor Who credits RT Davies when his ideas are used (ie Ood) in Moffat-era Who

Torchwood does not, and never has, credited Moffatt, despite him creating Torchwood's main character, Captain Jack

think moffat'd want to distance himself tbh

remember when there was something hiding in the darkness after death and it was a blue cgi minotaur

Did Moffatt create Captain Jack or just write the episode in which Rusty wanted him introduced?

Jack is surely just RTD's big wet dream and if Moffat thought he worked as a big broody lead character at all I'd be bitterly disappointed.

Did Moffatt create Captain Jack or just write the episode in which Rusty wanted him introduced?

Iirc RTD created the character, Moffatt just happened to write the first episodes in which he was to appear in.

Enjoying the AV Club's current series of classic Who reviews:

http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/tvshow/doctor-who-classic,186/

Chap raises an interesting point re: "inelegant plotting," although do admire the general anarchy of it.

his best Who scripts are all from the Rusty era

This however I totally disagree with -- thought "Big Bang" and the Christmas ep were as good as anything he's done.

Eleventh Hour was splendid

Indeed it was, but not Empty Child or Blink splendid IMO.

best "new Doctor" episode ever - it had a different job to do than a Blink or Empty Child

I think the Moffat scripts from RTD's era are more well thought of because their quality stood out in relief to some of the crap episodes that surrounded them, and that's not the case now because episodes are more consistently decent. If that makes sense.