I really liked the first Iron Man when it came out but tried to watch it again recently and found it a chore. The second one was just horrible.
― Number None, Friday, 22 July 2011 13:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
basically I like a volatile mix of sharp dialogue and a very slight veneer of seriousness. Nolan can't write dialogue or stage action.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2011 13:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is true but for some reason his batman movies are still really good. I'm not sure why. the actual plots are good and he does suspense pretty well.
― akm, Friday, 22 July 2011 13:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
first half of iron man when he's building robots in a cave was great, second half with the jeff bridges robot was always pretty lame.
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 22 July 2011 13:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
hayley atwell is some kind o' somethin'
nrq, are u such a relentless horndog in your published crizizism?
― you call it trollin' i call it steamrollin' (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 July 2011 13:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm more confident in nolan's ability to stage an action scene these days than i used to be; i just think the batsuit is limiting for any hand to hand fight scenes. more importantly, he understands suspense and the value of a real sense of danger. i just used batman begins as an example because the first half is fairly engaging (imo) and once he becomes batman the movie sorta deflates. the promise of action is usually more potent than the presence of it in these movies
the first iron man is fun, but the action in it is weightless - you get the sense downey & co could carry the movie even if he never put the suit on. you wouldn't be able to say the same thing about one of the bourne movies, for better or worse
― ＤＥＨＵＭＡＮＩＺＥ ＹＯＵＲＳＥＬＦ ＡＮＤ ＦＡＣＥ ＴＯ ＢＬＯＯＤＳＨＥＤ (Princess TamTam), Friday, 22 July 2011 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
It helps that RDJ is pretty much the walking embodiment of Tony Stark in both look and attitude.
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 14:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't really get the Bourne comparison?
― Number None, Friday, 22 July 2011 14:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
integral action vs. window-dressing, i think?
― remy bean, Friday, 22 July 2011 14:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
to my reading, in the bourne movies the action has (um) a dramatic purpose and serves to advance the plot, while in the batman they could be excised w/o damaging the plot progression
― remy bean, Friday, 22 July 2011 14:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
(sub in 'character arc' or 'genre necessaries' for 'plot progression' if you like)
― remy bean, Friday, 22 July 2011 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
io9 had a rave review of the film http://io9.com/5823515/captain-america-is-an-incredible-war-movie-that-just-happens-to-star-a-superhero
very detailed review of the plot w tons of spoilers so don't read it unless prepared to know the whole film going in
― H in Addis, Friday, 22 July 2011 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i just mean like, the action is the selling point of the bourne movies; the movies exist to give context to some incredible, dynamic action sequences. there's definitely some other stuff of value going on in the margins, but you're not going to those movies to spend more time with beloved characters like... Conklin and Nicolette. most superhero movies cant pull off that level of asskickery (especially origin movies, where its just about setting up the status quo), so they gotta do other things to keep you interested. thats why i think raimi's spiderbro movies worked with audiences who dont ordinarily care for this stuff - they're already fun just as these heightened reality melodramas with a kind of timeless feel to them
the problem with cap - i liked this movie btw! - is that he spends the whole movie effortlessly plowing through every obstacle. i dont think chris evans gets a single scratch or nick on him. so you can basically lean back and go 'eh, he's got this' the whole time.
― ＤＥＨＵＭＡＮＩＺＥ ＹＯＵＲＳＥＬＦ ＡＮＤ ＦＡＣＥ ＴＯ ＢＬＯＯＤＳＨＥＤ (Princess TamTam), Friday, 22 July 2011 14:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
RDJ is easily the best actor playing a superhero in anything since Chris Reeves, I think. Iron Man would be significantly worse without him. I can't say that about any other current superhero films I've seen; the actors are fairly interchangeable.
― akm, Friday, 22 July 2011 14:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
you'd think audiences would have reached their saturation point by now. this is the umpteenth mediocre superhero film this summer.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
the first Burton Batman,
can't believe anyone still reps for this garbage
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, that first movie blows. After all the portent of the beginning, it devolves into ... a countdown plot to poison the water supply of Gotham!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like the number that Comics Alliance did on the first Batman:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/23/batman-1989-review/
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/30/batman-1989-part-two-review/
(They've been going through all the movies these past few weeks.)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 July 2011 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
2nd Burton Batman is great fuiud
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
adding a bunch of people to the enemies list
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, wait, I misread Burton Batman as Batman Begins. Regardless, Burton Batman has major issues, but it does strike a nice balance between comic book and dark batman. Second Burton Batman has superior set/costume design; Pfeiffer's cat woman might be the most iconic villain in one of the ultimately least iconic superhero sequels. And also, Batman Returns has ... a plot to poison Gotham's water supply, too?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^agreed!
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, wait, it's a killing of the first born plot. But the second Burton Batman does have Danny DeVito eating off someone's face, no?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
i do love batman returns - saw it in the theater when it came out, i was 7 years old, its really just a crazy burton movie that happens to have a batman cameo in it. its got tragic penguins, killer performances from devito and walken, plus michelle pfeiffer is the definitive catwoman imo - nobody will ever change my mind on this
― ＤＥＨＵＭＡＮＩＺＥ ＹＯＵＲＳＥＬＦ ＡＮＤ ＦＡＣＥ ＴＯ ＢＬＯＯＤＳＨＥＤ (Princess TamTam), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
But anyway, Captain America. I laughed but it looks OK.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 15:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
the first movie is a total mess - veers wildly in tone, character motivations make no sense, plot has literally no regard for a coherent sequence of events, majority of the acting is terrible etc
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
the first movie is hilarious and fuiud
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Michael Keaton wtf
― mh, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
batman returns is fantastic imo but its probably not a great 'superhero movie' the carnival atmosphere makes it too ridiculous and lurid but w/e
― stepmomster (Lamp), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^ HILARIOUS
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
look all i'm saying is if you give a major super hero franchise kick-off to the guy who made frankenweenie you get what you pay for
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean, come on:
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
it is hilarious. because it is SO BAD
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
They should have Prince play a villain in a new Batman.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Now imagine the movie actually started with this scene:
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i loved dark knight as much as the next guy who didn't think it was The Greatest Film of All Time but i will take a movie where thugs deface fine art to the sound of prince over Brooding Arguments About Creeping Fascism every day of the week
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost -- Compare and contrast:
(Or eight million other films, obv.)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
ppl hating on "Batman" need to reexamine their aesthetic priorities IMO
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get the feeling Prince was the only one that realized how ridiculous the whole endeavor was:
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am pretty certain Jack Nicholson and Michael Keaton got it, too
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am pretty sure nicholson was lol'ing all the way to the bank and i salute him for it
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
You're goddamn right he was:
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
and wheeeereee is the BATman...
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
I kind of wonder if Prince wasn't shown any actual movie footage and just had visual cues of what the characters looked like and someone summarized the script
Thinking about the artistic process of Prince is probably something I could do for decades and still be puzzled, though
― mh, Friday, 22 July 2011 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have a feeling prince was shown some sketches of the joker's outfits and combined with some vague memories of the tv show cranked the whole thing out in an afternoon between lunch and his nap.
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
I wonder what the soundtrack discussions were like. "Who would really nail the feel of Tim Burton's Batman?" "Well obviously someone famous for being horny and funky, right? Horny and funky are definitely the adjectives that spring to mind looking at the storyboards."
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp yeah, he's a guy where i never hold it against him when he sleepwalks through a movie because hes usually still a lot of fun
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
otm.
but seriously, i did like they chose an actress who is hot in precisely the same way as 1940s actresses were hot.
overall this was alright. TLJ is was good. surprised he doesn't get these kind of roles more often. maybe he doesn't take them.
― ryan, Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:41 (5 months ago) Permalink
uh
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/03/22/captain-america-2-robert-redford/
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:10 (1 month ago) Permalink
Almost sounds like he's doing it for shits and giggles.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 March 2013 15:01 (1 month ago) Permalink
tbf at his age neither come easy
― mister borges (darraghmac), Saturday, 23 March 2013 15:12 (1 month ago) Permalink
Legal Piddles
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 March 2013 15:40 (1 month ago) Permalink
I saw that movie in a theater, so bad.
― rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Saturday, 23 March 2013 17:23 (1 month ago) Permalink
I just remember a bunch of shitty/stupid ads for that thing running endlessly and "Love Touch" constantly being on the radio. Fuckin' 1985.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 March 2013 17:49 (1 month ago) Permalink
He's at least awake in LE. And Terence Stamp is fun.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:04 (1 month ago) Permalink