DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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scotland hates tories, tories hate us. this will never change.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

also the nats don't want rid of the brit armed forces, salmond campaigned against this iirc.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes, he did - he gave a speech n the village hall across the road from my house. The SNP's position was that we've already lost a base, so expecting Scotland to bear 2 of it's 3 bases closed was ridiculous, so both Lossiemouth and Leuchars should stay open.

At least it will be quieter here - the Typhoons are noisy as hell. Now it'll just be rifle drills and the odd helicopter (assuming the vague ideas about an army barracks come to fruition, and even then it'll probably be about five years)

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

imo the defence review is classic osbornomics, ie unserious. it wasn't a real review: if they don't want the uk to be one of the big clubs, they should make that case, but doing it as part of a defence review *and then launching into a new war* was just derrrrrrrrrrrrp.

so brycey (history mayne), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Fox kept responding to questions by saying things like 'in order to achieve a regular/reservist proportion similar to the US we have to...' but he never explained why such a ratio was desirable. Of course, it's all about the £££'s, but he should have the guts to say so.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

November 2006:

Shadow Olympics minister Hugh Robertson said: "The secretary of state has admitted to a 40% increase.

"She has failed to disclose the true cost of VAT, contingency, building cost inflation and security, much of which was entirely predictable at the time of the bid.

"Today's increase is just a starting point. While the figures remain ambiguous, we can only expect further increases."

July 2011:

The Olympic Delivery Authority has announced 88% of the building programme for London 2012 is now complete.

It has also been announced the anticipated final cost of the project fell by £16m during the last quarter.

This has prompted Sports Minister Hugh Robertson to say for the first time he is "confident" the project will come in under its £9.3bn budget.

He said: "With one year to go construction is 88% complete, ahead of time and under budget."

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 13:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

NHS services opened to competition

stet, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink


natalie imbroglio (suzy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wheelchair services an interesting choice for the first round, given Cameron's been talking about his troubles with them.

stet, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Seriously, fuck these guys. They know it's completely buried.

emil.y, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

I hear Champneys in Tring treats people in wheelchairs well...

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Interesting choice of day to announce this eh?

a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Guardian has the Lansley announcement story on page 15, the Independent on page 21, The Times on page 17 and the Daily Mail on page 31. And that's your lot.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 07:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

iirc this was something that was going to happen. and now it has happened, kind of thing.

only bad dog on the street (history mayne), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 08:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Osborne's lost his (Jonny) marbles?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dorset County Council is closing 9 of its 34 libraries, with 11 of those left to be run by unpaid volunteers and community groups.

Apparently it's OK because 75 per cent of Dorset residents never set foot inside a library.

Wonder what the percentage of primary school age children is. Oh.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

They all vote Tory down there anyway, so fuck 'em, they're getting what they voted for

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

those primary school age child tory voters are the fuckin worst

MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Let them take it up with their parents

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

d-cam is editing the next issue of the big issue o_0 o_0

whose ideas was that? good god

lex pretend, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

sure that's "editing" and not "selling" ?

graveshitwave (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 July 2011 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

get on with running the country into the ground you prick

ledge, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, in this current situation, that's bound to be a good idea.

Next up, Harold Shipman opens his own old people's home...

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

d-cam is editing the next issue of the big issue o_0 o_0

whose ideas was that?

[Big Issue founder, John] Bird revealed in 2010 "My guilty secret is that I’m really a working class Tory. There, I’ve said it. I’d love to be a liberal because they’re the nice people but it’s really hard work – I can’t swallow their gullibility and I think their ideas are stupid. I’d love to be someone who wonders around in a kind of Utopian paradise seeing only the good in everybody but I just can’t. I support capital punishment for a start. I know this will destroy my reputation among middle-class liberals but I’m 64 now and I should be able to breathe a bit. Wearing the corsetry of liberalism means that every now and then you have to take it off."

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

My guilty secret is that I’m really a working class Tory

Form what i've seen of this guy over the years I wouldn't exactly call that a secret

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

"working class"

graveshitwave (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is that the British meaning of 'liberal' or the American definition?

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

US I imagine, I assume the sneer used when saying it is the same in any case

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Getting people to sell your product without having to worry about if they have enough to pay their mortgages...

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Plus, of course, being pure 'profit-share' means the minimum wage doesn't apply, right?

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm not slagging the whole enterprise, just defining it.

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I used to write for the Big Issue in the '90s. I seldom see people buying them with the same enthusiasm today.

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 22 July 2011 11:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes, it's only middle-class liberals who wonder around in a kind of Utopian paradise seeing only the good in everybody who seem to buy it these days

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 11:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

The rest of us have taken our corsets off and say "no thanks"

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 11:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Huhne's a naughty boy then?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 13:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

Re: RAF Leuchars

Dowd / Billy Dods - please email me at albaba at gmail dot com if you're interested in writing a short blogpost about the closure for this series:

... or could put me in touch with someone who might be.


Alba, Monday, 25 July 2011 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Does ilx just not have a norway massarcre thread? Or am I being dense looking at sna?

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

2011 Oslo/Utoeya Norway attacks

Gukbe, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink


I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 17:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

What an amazing old duffer:

A DISTINGUISHED barrister has called on Theresa May to ban “left-wing” marches in Piccadilly after damage to the Ritz at anti-cuts protests earlier this year.

John Beveridge QC (pictured) co-founder and chairman of amenity group the St James’s Conservation Trust, said such marches attracted “ragtag” protesters who “become violent and urinate all over the place”.

He added: “I have written to the Home Secretary, who has responded in the usual pusillanimous and ambiguous way, that these marches should be sent on routes that don’t take them past Fortnum and Mason and Cartier and the Ritz, that pass ordinary shops that won’t so inflame them. There’s no fun for them in attacking Safeway or Costcutter, but they love beating up the Ritz.

“The Home Secretary should have a bit more political guts and say that this type of march must be diverted elsewhere.”

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

ahem, safeway haven't existed in the UK for a decade or thereabouts?

i'm not a lawyer, but i play one on a messageboard (stevie), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Think the 73 year-old barister might be a little out-of-touch.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Personally I want my protesters to be urinating everywhere!

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 08:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Once Were Moderators (DG), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

can't wait for the next series of the thick of it:

Steve Hilton, David Cameron’s enigmatic strategy director, has startled colleagues by proposing the abolition of maternity leave and all consumer rights legislation, as part of an initiative to inject life into Britain’s sluggish economy.Mr Hilton’s crusade against employment legislation also saw him suggest that Mr Cameron just ignore European labour regulations on temporary workers, prompting an exasperated exchange with Jeremy Heywood, Downing Street’s permanent secretary.
“Steve asked why the PM had to obey the law,” said one Whitehall insider of a meeting in March to discuss the government’s growth strategy. “Jeremy had to explain that if David Cameron breaks the law he could be put in prison.”
Mr Hilton is highly admired by Mr Cameron for his original thinking, but the shaven-headed policy guru’s friends admit that three-quarters of his ideas fail to get off the drawing board – to the relief of colleagues.

even the FT raising an eyebrow there.

joe, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 21:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

but they love beating up the Ritz.

If you're blue and you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where lefties have fits
Beating up the Ritz.

Keep shouting sir, we'll find you (DavidM), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 23:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

holy shit the thick of it best come back now

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 July 2011 07:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

That Thick of It special must have been thrown off course so many times in the last 18 months or so. The level of rewriting going on must have been ridiculous.

Matt DC, Thursday, 28 July 2011 08:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

These people are the most appalling cocks.

Matt DC, Friday, 29 July 2011 10:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Things that you won't need to pay for as a result of no bedroom taxes:

People getting evicted for arrears and then having to downsize into a private let, possibly an ex-council place owned by a BTL landlord
People getting evicted for arrears and then going into shockingly expensive hostels and/or B&B
People getting evicted for arrears in London and then being transported/socially cleansed away from their support networks
Administration for the above
Knock-on costs to social care and the NHS

^^^these things *do* add up to quite a bit, but I can't say how much.

camp event (suzy), Monday, 20 April 2015 16:33 (Yesterday) Permalink

People getting evicted in London has no effect on how much money might get added back into the Scottish budget. Knock on costs exist, sure, but they do for the implications of any policy (such as cancelling Trident turning Cumbria into an unemployment blackspot {haha, autocorrect wants to turn that into Blackpool Blackpool} which doesn't seem to be addressed in that policy).

You only save money on administration if you have less staff (or give them new things to do which are unrelated).

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 20 April 2015 17:04 (Yesterday) Permalink

(not sure about all this but as I understand it)

Housing benefit is paid by local authorities.
Local authorities reclaim housing benefit from DWP, not from the Scottish government. (so Holyrood doesn't see the speed camera money)
Local authorities administer the "bedroom tax" (i.e. cut housing benefit).
The Scottish government makes up the shortfall in benefits for those who have been "taxed" by giving money to local authorities from the Discretionary Housing Payments budget, thus allowing people "living in houses that are too big for them" to stay in them, rather than moving to all the non-existent smaller ones.
The Scottish government's figures say £35m was paid this year and budgeted for next year from the DHP, though I think some of the money set aside was unclaimed.

Abolishing bedroom tax means full housing benefit is paid by local authorities and claimed back from DWP and that the Scottish government therefore will be able to use its DHP budget on things that aren't bedroom tax.
I think that adds up to a saving in Scotland paid for by central UK government.

There are issues around DHP that I'm not 100% on - it was provided by DWP but I think ScotGov had a cap removed to allow additional spending to help with bedroom tax/housing benefits issues. Of course Scotland's chunk of DHP might be cut following an abolition of bedroom tax which would affect the total saving figures.

I imagine the cost of administering DHP claims is also significant as this is down to individual households to claim - the government/local authority can't issue a blanket extra £20 to everyone who's been docked £20 for rattling around a massive council mansion.

no way no way sna sna (onimo), Monday, 20 April 2015 17:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

With you now. "We'll have more money to spend if Westminster gives us more money and doesn't stop giving us the extra money that only exists because of this policy." Not nearly as sound bite-y.

To save the administration costs local authorities will have to pay off staff or give them less hours on their contracts.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 20 April 2015 17:47 (Yesterday) Permalink

It doesn't only exist because of this policy.

Yes, or maybe not cut as many other services to meet budget shortfalls (caused in part by presentationally nice but ultimately damaging things like Council Tax freezes enforced by the SNP).

no way no way sna sna (onimo), Monday, 20 April 2015 20:20 (Yesterday) Permalink

the bowels are not what they seem do you love trident

conrad, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 09:43 (4 hours ago) Permalink

Tories going ridiculously hard on the horrific prospect of a Labour/ SNP coalition of some kind, yet they don't seem to have thought through that the best way to avoid such outcome is to, er, vote Labour.

Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 09:53 (4 hours ago) Permalink

Are the Tories actually building up the SNP north of the border or is this just extra froth on top of the hysteria? I know the Scottish Sun published that cuddly Sturgeon front page today, but that's their usual back-the-obvious-winner thing from what I can see.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 10:07 (4 hours ago) Permalink

The Scottish Sun has been broadly pro-SNP for quite a while - Salmond has been as shameless a supplicant to Murdoch as any other politician

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 10:09 (4 hours ago) Permalink

Idgaf about Trident itself one way or the other, less than £2Bn a year saving feels like a small return for closing a facility with 5000 employees (since the subject of consequential effects on people and the cost to health service etc) which is the county's only major employer, see also the effect on Rolls Royce Derby (11,000 employees) and AWE Aldermaston (no idea how many but over 2,000 certainly). And the effect on Scotland's biggest single site employer, which will have the reason for it existing removed - it may well continue but on a very minor scale; I'd expect >70% jobs to go. Also to be debated would need to be the impact on permanent membership of UNSC, which is as yet untested, and other benefits of Big 5 membership would need to be quantified (better/closer trade is often thrown about

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 10:15 (4 hours ago) Permalink

guys i have terrible news. my terrible father moved house and now my postal vote is in sheffield central, not sheffield hallam :(

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 13:51 (50 minutes ago) Permalink

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