DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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scotland hates tories, tories hate us. this will never change.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

also the nats don't want rid of the brit armed forces, salmond campaigned against this iirc.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes, he did - he gave a speech n the village hall across the road from my house. The SNP's position was that we've already lost a base, so expecting Scotland to bear 2 of it's 3 bases closed was ridiculous, so both Lossiemouth and Leuchars should stay open.

At least it will be quieter here - the Typhoons are noisy as hell. Now it'll just be rifle drills and the odd helicopter (assuming the vague ideas about an army barracks come to fruition, and even then it'll probably be about five years)

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

imo the defence review is classic osbornomics, ie unserious. it wasn't a real review: if they don't want the uk to be one of the big clubs, they should make that case, but doing it as part of a defence review *and then launching into a new war* was just derrrrrrrrrrrrp.

so brycey (history mayne), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Fox kept responding to questions by saying things like 'in order to achieve a regular/reservist proportion similar to the US we have to...' but he never explained why such a ratio was desirable. Of course, it's all about the £££'s, but he should have the guts to say so.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

November 2006:

Shadow Olympics minister Hugh Robertson said: "The secretary of state has admitted to a 40% increase.

"She has failed to disclose the true cost of VAT, contingency, building cost inflation and security, much of which was entirely predictable at the time of the bid.

"Today's increase is just a starting point. While the figures remain ambiguous, we can only expect further increases."

July 2011:

The Olympic Delivery Authority has announced 88% of the building programme for London 2012 is now complete.

It has also been announced the anticipated final cost of the project fell by £16m during the last quarter.

This has prompted Sports Minister Hugh Robertson to say for the first time he is "confident" the project will come in under its £9.3bn budget.

He said: "With one year to go construction is 88% complete, ahead of time and under budget."

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 13:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

NHS services opened to competition

stet, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink


natalie imbroglio (suzy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wheelchair services an interesting choice for the first round, given Cameron's been talking about his troubles with them.

stet, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Seriously, fuck these guys. They know it's completely buried.

emil.y, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

I hear Champneys in Tring treats people in wheelchairs well...

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Interesting choice of day to announce this eh?

a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Guardian has the Lansley announcement story on page 15, the Independent on page 21, The Times on page 17 and the Daily Mail on page 31. And that's your lot.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 07:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

iirc this was something that was going to happen. and now it has happened, kind of thing.

only bad dog on the street (history mayne), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 08:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Osborne's lost his (Jonny) marbles?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dorset County Council is closing 9 of its 34 libraries, with 11 of those left to be run by unpaid volunteers and community groups.

Apparently it's OK because 75 per cent of Dorset residents never set foot inside a library.

Wonder what the percentage of primary school age children is. Oh.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

They all vote Tory down there anyway, so fuck 'em, they're getting what they voted for

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

those primary school age child tory voters are the fuckin worst

MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Let them take it up with their parents

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

d-cam is editing the next issue of the big issue o_0 o_0

whose ideas was that? good god

lex pretend, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

sure that's "editing" and not "selling" ?

graveshitwave (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 July 2011 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

get on with running the country into the ground you prick

ledge, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, in this current situation, that's bound to be a good idea.

Next up, Harold Shipman opens his own old people's home...

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

d-cam is editing the next issue of the big issue o_0 o_0

whose ideas was that?

[Big Issue founder, John] Bird revealed in 2010 "My guilty secret is that I’m really a working class Tory. There, I’ve said it. I’d love to be a liberal because they’re the nice people but it’s really hard work – I can’t swallow their gullibility and I think their ideas are stupid. I’d love to be someone who wonders around in a kind of Utopian paradise seeing only the good in everybody but I just can’t. I support capital punishment for a start. I know this will destroy my reputation among middle-class liberals but I’m 64 now and I should be able to breathe a bit. Wearing the corsetry of liberalism means that every now and then you have to take it off."

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

My guilty secret is that I’m really a working class Tory

Form what i've seen of this guy over the years I wouldn't exactly call that a secret

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

"working class"

graveshitwave (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is that the British meaning of 'liberal' or the American definition?

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

US I imagine, I assume the sneer used when saying it is the same in any case

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Getting people to sell your product without having to worry about if they have enough to pay their mortgages...

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Plus, of course, being pure 'profit-share' means the minimum wage doesn't apply, right?

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm not slagging the whole enterprise, just defining it.

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I used to write for the Big Issue in the '90s. I seldom see people buying them with the same enthusiasm today.

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 22 July 2011 11:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes, it's only middle-class liberals who wonder around in a kind of Utopian paradise seeing only the good in everybody who seem to buy it these days

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 11:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

The rest of us have taken our corsets off and say "no thanks"

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 11:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Huhne's a naughty boy then?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 13:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

Re: RAF Leuchars

Dowd / Billy Dods - please email me at albaba at gmail dot com if you're interested in writing a short blogpost about the closure for this series:

... or could put me in touch with someone who might be.


Alba, Monday, 25 July 2011 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Does ilx just not have a norway massarcre thread? Or am I being dense looking at sna?

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

2011 Oslo/Utoeya Norway attacks

Gukbe, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink


I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 17:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

What an amazing old duffer:

A DISTINGUISHED barrister has called on Theresa May to ban “left-wing” marches in Piccadilly after damage to the Ritz at anti-cuts protests earlier this year.

John Beveridge QC (pictured) co-founder and chairman of amenity group the St James’s Conservation Trust, said such marches attracted “ragtag” protesters who “become violent and urinate all over the place”.

He added: “I have written to the Home Secretary, who has responded in the usual pusillanimous and ambiguous way, that these marches should be sent on routes that don’t take them past Fortnum and Mason and Cartier and the Ritz, that pass ordinary shops that won’t so inflame them. There’s no fun for them in attacking Safeway or Costcutter, but they love beating up the Ritz.

“The Home Secretary should have a bit more political guts and say that this type of march must be diverted elsewhere.”

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

ahem, safeway haven't existed in the UK for a decade or thereabouts?

i'm not a lawyer, but i play one on a messageboard (stevie), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Think the 73 year-old barister might be a little out-of-touch.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Personally I want my protesters to be urinating everywhere!

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 08:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Once Were Moderators (DG), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 19:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

can't wait for the next series of the thick of it:

Steve Hilton, David Cameron’s enigmatic strategy director, has startled colleagues by proposing the abolition of maternity leave and all consumer rights legislation, as part of an initiative to inject life into Britain’s sluggish economy.Mr Hilton’s crusade against employment legislation also saw him suggest that Mr Cameron just ignore European labour regulations on temporary workers, prompting an exasperated exchange with Jeremy Heywood, Downing Street’s permanent secretary.
“Steve asked why the PM had to obey the law,” said one Whitehall insider of a meeting in March to discuss the government’s growth strategy. “Jeremy had to explain that if David Cameron breaks the law he could be put in prison.”
Mr Hilton is highly admired by Mr Cameron for his original thinking, but the shaven-headed policy guru’s friends admit that three-quarters of his ideas fail to get off the drawing board – to the relief of colleagues.

even the FT raising an eyebrow there.

joe, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 21:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

but they love beating up the Ritz.

If you're blue and you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where lefties have fits
Beating up the Ritz.

Keep shouting sir, we'll find you (DavidM), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 23:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

holy shit the thick of it best come back now

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 July 2011 07:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

That Thick of It special must have been thrown off course so many times in the last 18 months or so. The level of rewriting going on must have been ridiculous.

Matt DC, Thursday, 28 July 2011 08:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

These people are the most appalling cocks.

Matt DC, Friday, 29 July 2011 10:39 (3 years ago) Permalink


p much with daphnis on this. will outline my own experiences (from the similar position to nakh of being generally towards the high-achieving end of top sets, yah boo sucks etc)

basically, there was absolutely no need to stream, even under the auspices of 'scholarship classes', 'oxbridge classes' & so forth. (the former & increasingly the latter are obviated, at high-end private school level, by extrascholarly tuition, hai dere)

in state schools, parents won't be able to afford tuition so much (but setting might encourage them to go down this route increasingly. money in the bank!)

actually though there's no need and it striates the school in ways that are entirely unhelpful, ensconcing complexes of intellectual superiority & inferiority that take years to erode (learning how stupid i truly was took a very long time & repeat ilx shamings to achieve) and don't reflect anything other than application towards testing

at the gifted & talented weekend/summer school courses i devise and run, i often teach classes whose ages vary between 14 and 18, 11 and 15 & so forth. some kids are already extremely well-versed in the material i'm teaching, some not at all. some are forthright and confident, some not. but here's the thing: they collaborate, work together, support one another, contribute, supply content, take something from the activity. some take more, some take less. that's ok. the main thing is that they've all chosen to be there, doing that activity, and they're prepared to give it a go

rather than setting we should be breaking down outdated notions of hierarchy-by-age, hierarchy-by-ability & allow students to commingle more abstractly, imo. this has the side benefit of not seeming quite so much the machine churning out baked entrepreneurs, kurzweils who've got nothing to boast aside from their own carefully-nurtured ambition, their sense of competition calibrated through the appellations of high achievement & elite cadres

imago, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

a thought I had in high school was that what parents who sent their kids to private schools were paying for was for certain kids not to be there.

― ogmor, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 19:33 (2 hours ago)

this is part of it but there are positive, if merely auratic elements too

engineering the absence of non-desired groups seems more like a foundational element of the current mainstream state sector, now under the auspices of pseudo-marketisation, so that where this was once achieved once by catchment areas/land values alone, now these schools are further differentiated by their division of aptitudes, sports technology colleges vs humanities and enterprise academies etc

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

and lj i was reminded of those classes you were teaching here too

'gifted education', which is no more dreadful than any other euphemism circulated for it, at least in the humanities should be more about encouraging reflexity of thought, of getting to engage as early as possible in something like 'critical thinking'

the objective would be to bind something like conscience, to consider value systems rather than the sort of mimetic redeploying of tropes that you know will get you, or rather force the examiner to give you an a* which is virtually all most clever kids are doing at school

this is already achieved to some extent in mathematical subjects where the approach to 'gifted' kids begins by getting them to use the material of the normal syllabus in non-obvious fashions

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 21:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

absolutely agree, and ftr my courses largely do require some consideration of the metaphysical-educational, the process of study and induction itself. even with my primary tuition client i'm trying to ensconce some level of critical thinking, of close analysis of terms that transcends the dull presumptions appended in the classroom

imago, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 21:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Private schools absolutely stream, they re also highly selective, so they are streaming within whatever strata they have chosen. I went to an elite public school and even there streaming can be very restrictive and divisive. I needed up in the bottom set for French and was basically told that I was no good at languages. I persevered, took on german as well and got a teacher who taught rather than drilled language. That unlocked my I can speak three non-english european languages with reasonable and varying degrees of fluency, read a newspaper in a few more and I'm now making great strides in Mandarin.

Streaming only serves to tell students that they are no good at something, and sends the message to teachers (in many cases) that they don't need to bother because those children aren't worth the effort.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 4 September 2014 02:39 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Panic stations

Looks like a desperate attempt to cling onto power for a bit longer. I don't see the issue - you can't legislate on the basis that Labour *might* win the election and *might* be dependent on Scottish MPs for a majority (even if both of those things are the most likely outcome as things stand). There's no reason you couldn't have the general election in 2015 and if Labour end up with a majority while they have Scottish MPs, but then lose this majority a year later, then they either have to form a coalition then or we have another election in 2016.

Turtleneck Work Solutions (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 4 September 2014 08:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I persevered, took on german as well and got a teacher who taught rather than drilled language

Stokes or Rees?

imago, Thursday, 4 September 2014 08:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

(and yeah, your experience sounds about right)

imago, Thursday, 4 September 2014 08:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

There is no way in hell the Conservative Party would keep Cameron in the event of a Yes vote. The fury from Tory backbenchers will be so intense it would lead to a vote of no confidence / calls for his resignation or a level of rebellion that would break the coalition. He might be able to hang on but he would be severely weakened. We could be in for a year of complete chaos.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 September 2014 09:41 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The No approach in Scotland is now turning towards "Cameron's going to lose, don't worry about it, you can vote No in safety". Which is the weirdest thing to see Tories saying.

stet, Thursday, 4 September 2014 11:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

education policy - across the political spectrum - seems to be more beholden to some kind of assumed folk wisdom than almost any other aspect of government in the UK

Pretty sure this is also true for science, health, drugs... seems that any policy area which actually has a strong evidence base will have its own team of qualified independent experts whose advice is routinely ignored.

michelin star cross'd lovers (ledge), Thursday, 4 September 2014 12:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

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