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kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

The Nuge, yeah, and there are other isolated examples - chuck norris, charlton heston, that one really unfunny early 90s SNL actress, etc. But I mean entire creative fields. Like if you picked a random sample of 20 playwrights or sculptors or architects, I'm assuming (wrongly) that they would generally lean left. And I think that's true of most artistic/creative pursuits, except for maybe country music, quilters and scrapbookers. So I'm asking, why in the world would anyone expect that Hollywood would be any different?

Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link

I hate this phrase because there are tons of movies that have had mad conservative leanings.

Yep. This whole stupid revive was brought about by thinking around Dangerous Minds.

Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

Because there are many prominent actors and a few prominent directors who talk about their political views to the national news media.

kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

Not many sculptors who do that.

kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

I've never seen Dangerous Minds. What's the conservative slant on it?

kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, I haven't seen it since it came out, but I just remember that there's a school full of dangerous minds, and only a courageous white woman can teach them how to live

Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

I suppose that's not conservative, just really awkward to watch

Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

I dunno, the main deal is that most creative fields don't lead to big cash for most practitioners, and big cash and conservatism are positively correlated to say the least.

Euler, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

I suppose that's not conservative, just really awkward to watch

I was gonna say, "white person gives the minorities a VOICE/DIRECTION" is liberal boilerplate

Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

lol liberal Hollywood

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

Hollywood still makes comedies and dramas starring heterosexual couples getting married, right?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

xposts Sure, but it seems like the creative-liberal connection comes first, long before money enters the equation.

Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

If big cash wasn't involved Hollywood movies would be way more liberal

President Keyes, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

I dunno about that

i hate it when rats eat my bushels (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

it's one of the most sexist/racist divisions in the entertainment industry, for one thing

i hate it when rats eat my bushels (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

how are we defining "liberal" and "conservative" here

Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

From what I've seen so far in the most conventional fashion.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

well it just seems so far that "liberal" = "stuff I like" and "conservative" = "stuff I don't like"

Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

Well I don't know, aren't country musicians generally conservative leaning? I could be wrong, but I remember patriotic Toby Keith being huge, and heretical Dixie chicks getting shunned from the community

Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

we're making vast generalizations here, none of which are really accurate, country included. I could rattle off a bunch of country guys who have held liberal positions about various things over the years.

i hate it when rats eat my bushels (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

... including Toby Keith, which is the hilarious thing

Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

^^^exactly!

i hate it when rats eat my bushels (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

I would venture to say country musicians are more liberal than their audience on the whole

davon cuul II (m bison), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link

what's going on here?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

life

Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

Well I don't know, aren't country musicians generally conservative leaning?

yeah no

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

Tim McGraw's a Dem.

kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

Brad Paisley

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

MIranda Lambert and Blake Shelton

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

there's certainly enough jingoism to go around country music but I wouldn't even call that a conservative trait, really (mostly thinking of Michael Moore's "why didn't we bomb the Saudis?" stance in "Fahrenheit 9/11" here)

Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

What kinds of music do Republicans genuinely enjoy?

buzza, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

SST always had a pretty strong strain of i guess uh...stoner libertarianism or something...but I always though Chuck Dukowski's quote "anarchy for me, facism for you" was a good a description of modern convervatism as anything

really ugly strains of right wing stuff and racism and stuff throughout thrash and metal, some of the thrash stuff i would imagine being handed down from hardcore punk

van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 July 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

cf. Lester Bangs' "The White Noise Supremacists" about racism in the underground punk scene circa 1980.

o. nate, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

there's certainly enough jingoism to go around country music but I wouldn't even call that a conservative trait, really

I would! but then again I have been nothing but rong in this thread so

Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

that one really unfunny early 90s SNL actress, etc

She had this hilarious -- but not in the way she meant -- video song called "There's A Communist Living in the White House" which was part of the Pasadena Tea Party operation.

Gorge, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

"Only Glenn Beck understands me"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

"Spread the wealth" is not actually a direct quote from the Communist Manifesto, at least not the translation I have.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 15 July 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

If big cash wasn't involved Hollywood movies would be way more liberal

― President Keyes, Friday, July 15, 2011 1:51 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

But "Big Business" is always the bad guy in Hollywood! The venal capitalist out to screw everyone over so he can get paid is a trope!

BIG HOOBA aka the stankdriver (Phil D.), Friday, 15 July 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah he's usually played by Michael Ironside

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 15 July 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

The last anti-"big business" movies i can think of are alien trilogy and robocop. i'm trying to think of a more recent example, like maybe jurassic park, but they made attenborough too lovable in that.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 15 July 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

Generalization from personal experience: all metalheads are stoner libertarians

thewufs, Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link

The last anti-"big business" movies i can think of are alien trilogy and robocop.

What, are you kidding? Off the top of my head I can think of Avatar, Erin Brockovich, A Civil Action and Michael Clayton (three of which were Best Picture nominees), sci-fi crap like Death Race and Rollerball, the Bond flick Quantum of Solace, the new Alvin and the Chipmunks movies . . . if I sat and gave it some thought I bet I could easily come up with 50 or more from the last 10 years.

BIG HOOBA aka the stankdriver (Phil D.), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

Wall-E...

Josef K-Doe (WmC), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

victoria jackson is a vintage ws of shame

dave barry (absolutely clean glasses), Saturday, 16 July 2011 00:40 (twelve years ago) link

Obviously a lot of conservative people like "conservative" music, just as a lot of radicals like "conservative" music as well. And the other way round too.

Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 16 July 2011 07:34 (twelve years ago) link

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MIranda Lambert and Blake Shelton

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, July 15, 2011 2:24 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

Is he for real liberal though? I just checked out one of his records from the library and it had some dumb line about "rebel flag flying" that didn't sound too apologetic about it. What's his deal, really?

grit of ad hominem (kkvgz), Friday, 22 July 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

Hollywood lol. Isn't it Hollywood career suicide to come out too early?

owenf, Friday, 22 July 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link


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