the Kommisariat's Kontinuing Kronicles: more right-wingery in the USA, 2k11-12

I can't answer that one for him, and I definitely won't pretend I've read, agree with, or am prepared to defend every contradictory word these dozen people have written, but these aren't are a bunch of hacks--they're intelligent guys trying to start a conversation that goes further than "you're a heartless moneybag hoarder" met with "you're a communist that wants to take my Bible." I do think it's interesting that in the long conversation sparked by the post you quoted, no one raised that particular point--they were mostly arguing from more arcane positions--but now that you've raised the point its absence does seem conspicuous. I'll raise it myself and keep track of the responses.

xp That seems to be central idiocy in the Libertarian talking points i have heard, like: oh well, Government agencies have been corrupted and bribed by big monied interests and are ineffective at protecting the rights of individuals, Might as well do away with the EPA then! rather then trying to you know fix it.

libertarians are generally good on social issues (tho many of them aren't -- viz a viz ron paul and wanting to repeal birthright citizenship, the civil rights act, etc.), which i think is usually what gets ppl into it in the first place. it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you. but believing the hardcore libertarian line on economic stuff involves buying into so many convoluted justifications for abolishing lots of things that seem self-evidently good (like giving the government the right to regulate food and medicine) that i think a lot of ppl just ignore it and stick to complaining about the government stealing their money.

it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.
it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.
it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.
it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.
it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.
it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.
it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.
it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.
it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.

i was trying to explain libertarianism to my buddy today and i wish i'd had that at my disposal

it's like being a liberal without having to give a shit about the fact that there are people poorer than you.

oh, it's kind of like what the Obama administration has become!

oh, it's kind of like what the Obama administration has become!

― KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Saturday, July 2, 2011 1:17 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

without the liberal part...

would yall fucking stop

love a HOOS, but i love a gubbamint too

non-sequitor in the context of whatever discussion's going down in this thread right now (i'm not following along), but important in the context of the bigger picture of ilx right wing threads in 2011

http://imgur.com/sxWcx

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http://i.imgur.com/sxWcx.gif

all those moments will be lost in time

like bamans in the rain

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/TeaPartyFourthOfJuly.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjkUZCLvC3Q

does that guy's shirt say "yup. i'm a racist" ?

yup

The other one says "Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11."

I like the guy wearing a fubu shirt in the background
singin393 12 hours ago

had that same thought

they think they're so clever...

u crazy for this one marshall home:

Fringe activist Marshall Home, who has filed a series of court documents to try to take over the bankruptcy case of Chicago pizza chain Giordano’s, was put behind bars on Friday.

Home was arrested in Tucson, Ariz., in connection with court papers he filed to try to force the United States into bankruptcy—a separate case that Home used as part of a fraudulent scam to help struggling homeowners keep their properties, according to the U.S. attorney’s office. That bankruptcy case, which was thrown out of court on May 18, led authorities to charge Home with two felony counts of filing false claims in bankruptcy court.

Before the case was dismissed, Home falsely stated that he had financial claims worth more than $3 billion against the U.S., according to the criminal complaint.

keep on keepin on, marsh

this guy is a straussian, haha remember them

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/books/review/book-review-aristotles-nicomachean-ethics.html

a little difft from the shit we chew over itt but, like, every sentence is rong

is that what strauss taught? just make a bunch of unsupported and unsupportable statements?

also he manages to start this thing by not getting a joke

This one is almost unexcerptable: http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/84536

A taste:

So that brings us back to corporate jets, which are modest affairs compared to Air Force One. The last thing we want to do is tax corporate executives and make them pay more for their business comfort. If the current tax accounting rules prevent a disguised transfer of income to these executives, they should be retained. If they are too lax, they should be fixed. The object of a good set of tax rules is to get an accurate measure of income, no matter what the state of the economy.

The big mistake in this area, therefore, is to assume that further restrictions on corporate jets necessarily result in more revenue for scholarships or food programs, as the president has claimed. The calculations are parallel to those made for the president.

Take a chief executive officer who earns ten times as much as the president does per hour. What is gained by stranding him in an airport, having him wait with countless other travelers—whose time is not worth one percent of his time—to catch a plane that might not get him to his final destination?

The President of the United States is not a fucking corporate CEO, no matter how much people try to spin it that way.

wow that jaffa review is a total mess

"review"

Jeez. This prat presumes that unless corporate jets are subsidized, the CEO of Exxon or Disney will naturally be bumped out of his jet and into commercial air travel? If his time is that fraking valuable, he'll let the company pay the small amount of tax involved and save his super-expensive time. More silliness as the silly season approaches.

im actually sort of mad about the aristotle thing. there is so much to be said about aristotle... and you guys hired someone who actually wanted to write about leo effing strauss??? [said to nytbr editors]

I know, right? Apparently these companies are going to go down the tubes if their air travel prices go up.

If his time is that valuable WHY DON'T THEY GET WITH THIS CENTURY AND TELECOMMUTE

f the current tax accounting rules prevent a disguised transfer of income to these executives, they should be retained. If they are too lax, they should be fixed.

you got it, dickhole! http://www.msn101.com/content/emoticons/ThumbsUp_A1VHO4.gif

xp yeah i'm really amazed that stuff like that [review] passes for... anything.

Thomas Aquinas, writing in the 13th century, believed that in the “Ethics” Aristotle had said everything needful for happiness in this life. Thus Aquinas did not write his own book on ethics, but instead wrote a commentary on Aristotle. This tradition was extended by the greatest political philosopher of the 20th century, Leo Strauss, who wrote that all his work had no other purpose than to address “the crisis of the West.”

But what is the West? And what is its crisis? According to Strauss (and many others), the West is the civilization constituted at its core by the coming together of classical philosophy and biblical revelation. The vitality of Western civilization results from the interplay of these alternative principles, though each contains within itself what claims to be exclusive and irrefutable authority. Symbolic of this authority are Athens and Jerusalem. In “The Second World War,” Churchill remarks that everything valuable in modern life and thought is an inheritance from these ancient cities. The debunking both of Socratic skepticism (“the unexamined life is not worth living”) and of biblical faith (“Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”) has led to the crisis of the West, a chaos of moral relativism and philosophic nihilism in which every lifestyle, no matter how corrupt or degenerate, can be said to be as good as any other.

In their brilliant and highly readable “Interpretive Essay” Bartlett and Collins suggest, without positively asserting, that Aristotle offers a solution to the problem, or crisis, of human well-being. But they seem to doubt whether it can meet the challenge of the God of Abraham. But these two principles are not adversarial in all respects. Indeed, much of Strauss’s work is a radical attack — made with the greatest intellectual competence — against the latter-­day enemies of both the Bible and a Socratic Aristotle. Strauss maintained that Athens and Jerusalem, while disagreeing on the ultimate good, disagree very little, if at all, on what constitutes a morality both good in itself and the pathway to a higher good.

WHAT ON EARTH DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE NICOMACHEAN ETHICS

the whole line of thinking is so cult-like, "we know what we're doing, shut the fuck up". none of what jaffa writes there can reduce to anything else.

do goons know who this guy is? "the crack emcee"? he's a bay area guy i guess

anyway, he's some kind of tea partyish type dude now

http://www.themachoresponse.com/crackMC/wordpress/

both the Bible and a Socratic Aristotle

...a Socratic whosis? wtf is this supposed to mean; nothing denoted by Socratic overlaps with that which is denoted by Aristotelean. But it sounds "intelligent", if you like high-flown nonsense.

is that crack mc who did the last track on consolidated's Play More Music LP? 0_0

http://i.imgur.com/fstIJ.jpg

Reminds me of http://shakespeareassholes.wordpress.com/

I don't think that guy knows how circumcision works

gold mine

tempted to create a 'queer' username for satan (queer)

http://i.imgur.com/SMcHJ.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fp67geuhJM

I feel so bad for that poor family that woke up on their camping trip without realizing some right wing nutjob had pasted over half their Winnebago with batshit buffoonery. Oh, well. They'll catch it at the next rest stop, for sure.

There's an oddly misplaced "LOVE NOT HATE" in the middle of that guy's car. Maybe he just needs to proofread more thoroughly.

Also i hope he does realize there are three 6's on his own license plate.

(Wh)oregon plates too