Jerry Lewis: The Total Film-Maker

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one is obviously for his best directorial effort, the other his acting. considering his skill at both, i think both threads are valid.

da croupier, Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:48 (five years ago) Permalink

"skill"

ephendophile (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 15:50 (five years ago) Permalink

Seriously? Hating on Jerry is still a thing?

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:31 (five years ago) Permalink

I've been a huge fan in the past and remain so currently, but recent re-watches have made me feel he's the directorial equivalent of asperger's. I could easily see myself falling out of love with this director.

ephendophile (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:33 (five years ago) Permalink

Wait. How did two Jerry Lewis polls happen on the same day? He's not dead, is he??

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Departed thread got off track

ephendophile (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:40 (five years ago) Permalink

No, just a Morbs-related clusterfuck in The Departed thread.

(x-post)

Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:41 (five years ago) Permalink

i have to give it to eric though because "the total film-maker" has made me lol every time i've looked at it.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:42 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost

not sure what you mean by that. would that make tati full-on autistic ?

dell (del), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:42 (five years ago) Permalink

Paul Sorvino: The Total Film-Maker

Let me tell you something about that song. (Eazy), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:42 (five years ago) Permalink

Coleman Francis: The Total Film-Maker

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

do you own a copy, strongo?

already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Would buy Coleman Francis: The Total Film-Maker for a dollar.

ephendophile (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:45 (five years ago) Permalink

i own all the coleman francis movies, morbs. come on now.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:45 (five years ago) Permalink

including the supressed directors cut of the the skydivers.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:47 (five years ago) Permalink

The Day The Curly Killed

da croupier, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:48 (five years ago) Permalink

francis/truffaut

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Well, anyway, the man's a stone cold genius. I prefer him to Chaplin, Keaton, Tati, who else ya got? At least seven of these are masterpieces but The Ladies Man stands as quite possibly the greatest film comedy of all-time. I grovel before him while dreaming of a 12-DVD box set of his greatest (which, as always with Jerry, also means his grossest) telethon moments.

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Red Zone Nutty

ephendophile (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 16:55 (five years ago) Permalink

I prefer him to Chaplin, Keaton, Tati, who else ya got?

we part company here

already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:04 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah i was gonna say. a lol is a lol but.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:06 (five years ago) Permalink

preferring Lewis to Keaton is like preferring Blackmore's Night to Deep Purple

frog in a bs place (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

preferring lewis to chaplin is like preferring getting punched in the nuts to eating a pizza

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

frog in a bs place (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:13 (five years ago) Permalink

site for jerry lewis fans: http://www.ballbustingtube.com/

don't click that btw.

frog in a bs place (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:14 (five years ago) Permalink

oh now you knew i was going to click on that

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:14 (five years ago) Permalink

all the "I cannot tell a lie" GIS results had some extraneous bullshit :(

frog in a bs place (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:18 (five years ago) Permalink

jerry lewis chopped down the cherry tree with his big fucking dick

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't even know what i'm talking about now. i'm so tired.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh pish posh. He exploited the potential of cinema much more than either Chaplin or Keaton (both of whom, yes, exploited it exceedingly well and have many masterpieces under their belts). Tati may have surpassed Lewis on that level but he lacks Lewis' grotesque personality which is essential to his life-affirming effect. I'm reminded of something Richard Barrios's disdain for Al Jolson (a key Lewis progenitor) in The Singing Fool: "Charisma, when applied this relentlessly, becomes oppressive." But yo, Richard, that's precisely why we go to the movies (or listen to, I don't know, Morrissey): to witness a gargantuan, out of control ego as a way to measure the contours of our own steady paths. If I wanted an even-keeled experience, I'd knock on my neighbor's door and ask to borrow some sugar.

P.S. Pizza is stupid and boring.

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink

delete "something"

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink

You don't strike me as the type that needs more sugar.

ephendophile (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink

I certainly don't need fuckin' pizza.

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Bozelka, OTM itt.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:40 (five years ago) Permalink

Rosenbaum:

Why are the French so crazy about Jerry Lewis? Well, for one thing, some of them see him as being very much like America: infantile, hysterical, uncontrolled, giddy, uninhibited, tacky, energetic, inarticulate, obnoxious, sentimental, overbearing, socially and sexually maladjusted, and all over the place. (By contrast, at least on the surface, Allen is adolescent, neurotic, controlled, whiny, inhibited, preppy, lethargic, articulate, cynical, wormy, socially and sexually maladjusted, and confined.) It’s not so much a matter of necessarily loving all these qualities as it is envying or admiring or identifying with some of them, and being horrified by others — a sort of compressed model of the love-hate that many French people feel toward America as a fantasy object. I suspect that what many French people experience as the overcultivated constraints of their culture finds a welcome release in Lewis’s explosiveness and ungainliness, and their taste for freewheeling fantasy is partially met by Lewis’s remoteness from realism — the sheer wildness of his ideas as a writer-director, and the deconstructive habits such as the vulgar modernism that he shares with Mel Brooks, which periodically reminds us in various self-referential ways that we’re watching a film. (At one point in the mid-1960s, Godard described Lewis as “the only free man working in Hollywood.”)

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:45 (five years ago) Permalink

This is probably racist.
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buzza, Thursday, 23 June 2011 17:50 (five years ago) Permalink

I seriously can't watch more than a minute or two of Jerry Lewis before my flesh starts to crawl. He's like the uncanny valley of human behavior.

SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 23 June 2011 18:07 (five years ago) Permalink

dongmaster2 otm

☂ (max), Thursday, 23 June 2011 19:04 (five years ago) Permalink

dongmaster2 least favorite installment of the dongmaster cycle

brazenly alive (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 23 June 2011 19:05 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Friday, 29 July 2011 23:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Saturday, 30 July 2011 23:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Thanks, bud.

third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 July 2011 23:17 (five years ago) Permalink

judd apatow option doomed/saved this from the git-go

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 30 July 2011 23:24 (five years ago) Permalink

plus that photo choice

you call it trollin' i call it steamrollin' (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 July 2011 23:43 (five years ago) Permalink

On fat ladies trying to lost weight: "Who cares?"

third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 1 August 2011 13:57 (five years ago) Permalink

lose

third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Monday, 1 August 2011 13:57 (five years ago) Permalink

I am going to miss Jerry's effortless pomposity about showbiz when he's gone; he may be the best ever at it. "I don't allow people in my family to use the term 'TV'" vs there's nothing good on. Real Sammy Maudlin stuff!

satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 19:48 (five years ago) Permalink

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 21:52 (five years ago) Permalink

to be precise, Capitol engagement was spring '48

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 15:55 (nine months ago) Permalink

my God, I'd forgotten about that whole "Miss Cartilage" dominatrixish musical number, WTF.

Yeah, always thought that bit was completely fucking bizarre. Not unlike the little clown puppet in The Errand Boy, but at least the clown was trying to (clumsily) teach Jer something about himself.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:39 (nine months ago) Permalink

i'd say Sylvia Lewis (the dancer who was Miss Cartilage) was too

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 16:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

lengthy excerpts of October's dialogue with Scorsese; great stuff

MS: The thing about The Ladies Man and The Bellboy and The Family Jewels and all these films is, we didn’t learn in the sense that we went to the theater to learn. What I was fascinated by was that the structure of the story was so loose that you can open a door and can get into an orchestra with Les Baxter. You can get the house cut in half. There’s Helen Traubel, she’s doing her routine. I mean, there’s a story, but is there a plot? I don’t know! And so, with these pictures, it opened out heads to say, you know, you don’t have to be stuck to a three-act structure in terms of narrative. You can make a film about a guy trying to get into a building. But this really freed us in terms of thinking about what cinema is. So in terms of the timing within the frame, he does that masterfully, of course. But then in terms of the editing, how does one deal with that, if you come in for a tighter shot? When, as you set the time in The Colgate Comedy Hour, you put your foot in the turkey dinner? You remember? I saw that live.

JL: “Take your filthy hands off that bird!”

MS: The timing was impeccable. And you told me there was a slave camera, another camera that picked it up immediately. Have you had some very interesting relationships to these kinds of situations in the editing room? In terms of pacing.

JL: Well, you know how many times you plan something for a wide shot with a lot of animation and then all of a sudden you come to it and it’s not what you really want to do. And you start trimming and taking a piece from here and a piece from there… And I’ll play that back when I sit in the editing room, and I’ll do what I used to call “death march” footage—you I going to get killed unless you fix this!—and you talk to yourself once in awhile.

MS: It’s true, because the pacing is like music. And you do music. You know, as a recording artist, you conduct an orchestra. Comedy is music that way. Cinema is music. That timing carries through. It’s impeccable. I’d seen some of the Chaplin films earlier, but they are not the way your stuff was presented at that time in the late ‘50s/early ‘60s. To be able to respond to a visual image that had such fluidity to it in terms of pacing and comic timing. We’d never really seen anything like it. And the scripted scenes and improvised scenes… The improvisation that you would do physically would fit within the scripted scene. That’s another issue, I think: you had more control of it because you were doing it.

JL: I had holes to fall in all over the set. No, really. You never know when I’m going to use one! [Laughter] I gave of myself completely. I’ve got so many more scars on my body, you’d think I’d played NFL football! I came out of a three-story window into cardboard boxes, which were supposed to save me, and I landed on the corner of them. I’ll show that to you later. [Laughter] No, I won’t.

http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/jerry-lewis-and-martin-scorsese/

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 21:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

tonight's post-screening fare of Hollywood or Bust promises footage of multiple Dean & Jerry reunions -- there's more than just the mid-'70s telethon, beats me.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 March 2016 18:09 (nine months ago) Permalink

i def think Living It Up is the most underrated of the Dean & Jerry films i've seen

http://www.bkmag.com/2016/03/02/the-best-old-movies-on-a-big-screen-this-week-nyc-repertory-cinema-picks-march-2-8/4/

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 March 2016 23:00 (nine months ago) Permalink

Never saw that one. Haven't seen a ton of D&J, for that matter...just Hollywood or Bust, Artists and Models (my favorite of these three), and You're Never Too Young. The latter was my introduction to Prime Jerry/Jerry The Genius, and it completely turned me around -- prior to seeing that, I was the typical anti-Jerry snob, only thinking of him as the telethon guy. As soon as he started to move, it was, "Ah, so THAT'S where Pee-Wee Herman got about 70% of his schtick!" (among other realizations)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 5 March 2016 00:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

Violet Lucca on work, wealth and self-made men in JL's films....

Being the utterly wonderful noveau riche narcissist he is, Lewis would always portray these man-children while wearing a large gold pinky ring, giant wedding ring, and, sometimes, a gold watch, giving more than a touch of cognitive dissonance to his performances. (As I have posited elsewhere, the wedding ring might’ve diffused any guilt he experienced about his rampant infidelities at the time.)...

Despite their anarchic goofiness, this cycle of films embody some readily identifiable long-standing myths about class and class mobility in America. In The Errand Boy (61) and The Patsy (64, which effectively blends The Errand Boy with The Bellboy), delivery boys achieve fame through their clumsiness, and rise to become comedians of Lewis’s stature—even though, in fact, pratfalls and rubber faces require greater-than-average muscular control. (Myth: exceptional talent alone will get you ahead; it’s only a matter of time before you’re noticed.) In It’s Only Money (62), Lewis’s idiot private eye turns out to be the long-lost nephew of a wealthy heiress; in The Family Jewels (65), Lewis’s lovable idiot chauffeur gets to be Donna Butterworth’s daddy and inherits the millions. (Myth: you only need that one dead relative you didn’t know existed to cash in. This one is pervasive judging from the number of inheritance scams and unclaimed money services.)

http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/jerry-lewis-wealth/

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2016 20:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 07:31 (nine months ago) Permalink

rewatch of his (theatrical) directorial swan song tonight

pitless watermelon

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 March 2016 02:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

They had what I assume to be a 1st ed. hardcover copy of the book this thread took its name from in the collectibles case at my local Half-Price for $100.

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 14 March 2016 02:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

I saw that book for cheap once and inexplicably didn't buy it. A new printing is rumored.

Jerry has a "pointless cameo" as Nic Cage's dad in a new thriller.

http://variety.com/2016/film/festivals/the-trust-review-nicolas-cage-elijah-wood-sxsw-1201729052/

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 March 2016 14:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

Happy birthday, Jerry!

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 11:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

not sure i've posted the 'turkey dinner' sketch, recently discussed by JL with Scorsese.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 14:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Max Rose to be distributed this summer, finally

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jerry-lewis-max-rose-lands-876217

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 20:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 20:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

OK, so a documentary about The Day the Clown Cried has just come on my TV screen...

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 March 2016 21:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

... ugh, Terry Wogan

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 March 2016 21:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

Was just watching that too:

We've got ten years to wait.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 March 2016 22:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

thx guys for staying on form

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 March 2016 00:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 April 2016 00:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Max Rose is nothing special, tho Old Jerry has a nice gravitas. (The most kinetic performance in the film is a one-scene climactic spin by Dean Stockwell.)

JL entered the packed MoMA theater (assisted by his people) for it, got a standing ovation, and loudly asked "When do we eat?" The he did his usual passive / aggressive japery in the postscreening interview and Q&A. Someone asked him what growing up in Newark was like in the '30s. "Do you want to know about my bris? Jesus Christ. NEXT!"

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 April 2016 14:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

and here it is

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 April 2016 10:38 (seven months ago) Permalink

the only thing that survives of Jerry's animated TV show from '70 (to which he did not actually contribute; Squiggy from LaVerne and Shirley played Jerry). looks like about 99% racial stereotype stuff

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 2 May 2016 22:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

i vaaaaguely remember the existence of that

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 10:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

RIP Bill Richmond, co-writer on 7 Lewis films

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bill-richmond-dead-jerry-lewis-904166

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 June 2016 18:09 (five months ago) Permalink

Mel (Brooks) and I only worked together on the script for THE LADIES' MAN for about two weeks. Mel and I would pitch ideas back and forth to each other. Once we had a good idea Mel would say, "Let's run it by Jerry and see if he likes it." So we'd call Jerry, and Jerry would say, "I can't talk right now, but let me get back to you." Now if anybody had a bigger ego than Jerry Lewis, it was Mel Brooks. Jerry did this to Mel about four times, so finally Mel literally just said, "Fuck this, I quit." So that left me to write the movie.

http://blog.tvstoreonline.com/2015/05/part-one-three-time-emmy-winner-and.html

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 June 2016 18:17 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh man, had totally forgotten about the animated show! I could still recall parts of that great bubblegummy theme song, but not a thing about the cartoon itself.

Dan is a ‪#‎VegetablePuppet‬, he is NOT REAL. ‪#‎flatearth (Dan Peterson), Friday, 24 June 2016 18:43 (five months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

A pretty good Egyptian tomb sketch from JL's '67-69 NBC show, with a very game and funny Janet Leigh, with Jer as the nutty professor (who he recycled frequently in this series). There's a DVD if you'd like to see it w/out soup and subtitles.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 July 2016 23:03 (five months ago) Permalink

DECONSTRUCTING JERRY: LEWIS AS DIRECTOR
A special dossier to accompany the Jerry Lewis program of the Melbourne International Film Festival 2016.

The comedian went on to discuss the duality in his own mind between his screen personality and the man who plays him, he spoke of the person on the screen as “him”. “Sometimes I write a memo in the morning”, he explained, “and then later, on the set when it’s carried out, I rebel against it – I’ve forgotten that it was me that asked for it.”

The only trouble with my doing my own screen writing is that I get so involved with the character I play that the perspective gets distorted and I begin to send out messages which have nothing to do with what I started out to create.

http://sensesofcinema.com/2016/jerry-lewis/

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 July 2016 21:03 (five months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

love the Ren & Stimpy style intro music. also fun to see him tear into his former employer, "A network that would fire a father of five 3 days before Christmas".

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 03:13 (four months ago) Permalink

this full episode features a really cool Gary Lewis performance followed by silly Nazis followed by Lassi!

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 03:14 (four months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

The star explores unusually rich dramatic territory in the title role of soon-to-be-released MAX ROSE.

Wasn't this completed over two years ago? Did it finally find a distributor?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 18:59 (three months ago) Permalink

yes. apparently the cut that was shown in Cannes some years ago was rushed and premature. (it's still not good)

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 19:04 (three months ago) Permalink

“So just being alive is love?”

“Of course it is,” he says. Then there is a beat....

“Just being alive?” he says. “Think about what you just said. Just being alive. If God heard you right now, Oliver, he’d smack you. He would smack you all over this joint.”

http://observer.com/2016/08/what-jerry-lewis-talks-about-when-he-talks-about-love/

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 September 2016 14:57 (three months ago) Permalink

So just why is Jerry Lewis known for being difficult?

“Because I am,” he said with firm declaration. “I expect people that come to the studio to work to come with the same energy I come with. If I see less than that, I get very strong about, if you want to do this, come with a sense of pride, come with eagerness and anxiety.

“And those people that think you’re difficult, respect you tremendously. Because the creative aspect of film will never change,” he added. “They may not like it, but they respect it.”

...A question about the notorious unreleased, unseen film “The Day the Clown Cried,” which writer-director Lewis made in Europe in the early 1970s and in which he starred as a Jewish clown who leads children to the Nazi gas chambers during WWII, invokes a third and final Jerry Lewis death stare.

“Can’t talk about it. I won’t,” Lewis said. “You can ask me anything you want, that doesn’t mean I’m going to answer you.”

It was reported in 2015 that Lewis’ archives were going to the Library of Congress and that “The Day the Clown Cried” may at last be available for public view in 10 years’ time. Lewis has other thoughts on the matter.

“Never,” he said as to whether the film would finally be shown publicly. “After I’m dead 30 years you won’t see it. I’ve got it worked out so there’s nothing to show.”

And with that, a wink. Playful, inviting and mischievous, it is the exact opposite of the door-slam death stare. ...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-max-rose-jerry-lewis-profile-20160823-snap-story.html

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 16:18 (three months ago) Permalink


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