As long as it's newsprint, I'm safe. At least for now.
― One Community Service Mummy, hold the Straightedge Merman (Laurel), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Sorry, guys.
First they came for the groundwood etc.
― One Community Service Mummy, hold the Straightedge Merman (Laurel), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah you know you can just put your kindle in a ziplock bag and it's just as good as a book for reading in the tub. I read it in a blog.
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Looking forward to books being lasered into my brain... What's the eta on that??
― beyonc'e (max), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link
It looks like we're selling our press (after printing our paper on-site for more than 75 years. There will now be only three other universities in the nation who do so.) So we have quite a bit of surplus newsprint if anyone would like it.
― Not Everyone Can Be Tupac (Susan), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 14:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I know it ain't the dotcom boom, but the only jobs in media right now are Flash programmers. Nobody wants or needs print people.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link
now i feel bad for my devoted use of the library. clearly i should be buying printed things to support not having books lasered into my brain.
― Maria, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link
apparently journalists at the telegraph have a better chance of keeping their jobs if, along side writing their pieces, they can also edit video.
― Manchego Bay (G00blar), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Amazon will be rly happy when you drop that $360 Kindle into the tub and the ziploc leaks and you have to buy another one to read the 56 "classics" you downloaded at the recommendation of ILB.
― One Community Service Mummy, hold the Straightedge Merman (Laurel), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah this is getting off thread topic, but i don't think books are going away just yet. the kindle is cool, sure, but it's not a industry gamechanger like the Ipod.
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't imagine using a kindle.
How many of you read papers via iPhone or another mobile device?
― Not Everyone Can Be Tupac (Susan), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link
A book is pretty much perfectly designed for what you want to do with it though. In today's day and age, I'm not sure a newspaper is, especially given the speed at which things happen.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link
How many of you read papers via iPhone or another mobile device?Me.
― stet, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link
if a kindle fit in my back pocket i would buy one in like two seconds.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Does the Kindle do that looong pause and annoying flash every time you turn the page like the Sony Reader does? They need to fix that.
― stet, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link
what the Reader and Kindle need is a feature where every time you finish a page, a loud bell goes off, then when you finish a chapter, it plays a short fanfare, and when you finish the book, it plays the end-title music from the Godfather. Now that would be both motivational and satisfying.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link
In newspapers' partial defense, their problems are hugely magnified by the recession/depression. The economic situation we're facing might have destroyed a few papers even in pre-internet times.
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link
The kindle seems prohibitively expensive for most, considering the only thing you can do with it is read books on it.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link
As I heard it, the man who assembled the newspaper chain which owns my local daily, Si Newhouse, constantly preached that a newspaper is not a vehicle for delivering news, but a vehicle for delivering advertising. Oftentimes I have looked for some news in the product dropped at my doorstep and verified his observation.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link
He is right of course. But no news = no vehicle.
― Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Nickel Ads, the Newspaper of The Future!!
― Aimless, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
RIP rocky mountain news
― max, Thursday, 26 February 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I am considering whether 'twould be nobler in the mind to subscribe to the NYT and read a newspaper whose reason for existance does not revolve around the comics page. But it seems disloyal somehow.
― Aimless, Thursday, 26 February 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
http://realproofonline.com/lj/finalrocky.jpg
― StanM, Friday, 27 February 2009 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
:'-(
― max, Friday, 27 February 2009 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
adapt or die, eh?
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 27 February 2009 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link
no wonder they folded, all the news on the sidebar is 150 years late
― bobby dijindal (and what), Friday, 27 February 2009 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Seattle Post-Intelligencer and/or SF Chronicle are probably the next two to drop unless they figure something out
― dmr, Friday, 27 February 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
P-I is screwed, might go web-only but who cares if that's the case
― linh (jergins), Friday, 27 February 2009 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.printweek.com/news/881913/We-will-launch-paper/
― go back to ur game of Croquette ye posho's (stevie), Saturday, 28 February 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/KellyNewspapers.jpg
― Judd Nelson (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost -- I like how that URL is completely opposite from the headline.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
How does delivering the paper equate to reading it?
― Jarlrmai, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
"Rap Band"
― I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link
http://moviecitynews.com/voices/2009/090302_critics.html
― people of the world (jergins), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 07:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Grimly have you seen http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7855798.stm ?
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
(it's asking if newspapers have dumbed down in the last 30 years)
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
there will probably be a story about bears shitting in the woods accompanying it.
1989
The paper wears its Thatcherite heart on its sleeve with page leads on plans being considered by the Tory government for identity cards and the possibility of all immigrants being DNA tested.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link
and
George Walden pens a column about the dangers of the end of the Cold War, including the rise of Islam.
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Er. Is it? It just seems to be going "MY GOD, LOOK, WE'VE GOT AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF WEBSPACE TO FILL SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS DRIVEL UP HERE." Really, the impression I get is that the only newspapers with which the author is properly familiar are the ones used to line the bottom of his cage.
Still. Yes, newspapers as we know them absolutely and totally fucked, large swathes of the broadcast media hot on their heels ... in what possible way is this news? :)
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Also: if you ever wanted evidence of why newspapers as we know them should cease to exist, that "Teens: Yesterday and Today" thing might be pretty much perfect. Other than "I am a suppurating fucking bell-end", I fail to see what point the cartoonist is trying to make.
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I think that is the point actually.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha. Fair enough.
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link
There is nothing like reading a newspaper in its hard copy form. However, I have found from sniffing around that if your online paper looks like a newspaper, people might find your news more substantial. I have been reading the Pantagraph lately because it looks great. By the way, this paper is 172 years old!
― u s steel, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link
the cartoon is an onion parody btw, just in case it's not clear who is being a suppurating fucking bell-end here.
― joe, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh! I'd consider blushing, but ... er, actually, I'm not sure it works as a parody either.
<Looks again>
OK. Might not be as offensively shit, but it's still shit. Unless there's some fabulous piece of context in which it should be viewed?
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Fabulous piece of context = most US political cartoonists.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 23:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Christ, really? *Boggles*. OK, in that case I'm going to step back ... there are some holes in my knowledge I'm happy to keep. Apologies to the Onion cartoonist, but to be honest: you might actually be better simply using your pen to go around stabbing some of your contemporaries in the neck.
― Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean there's lots of college math textbooks released under this model at least. Couldn't tell you how many classes other than those of the authors adopt them, of course.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 22 February 2020 00:00 (four years ago) link
interesting post, SV. And your point about packaging 'digital access' with books is otm - when someone told me how they were doing this my response was 'what, like a CD-ROM?!' and they smiled ruefully and basically said 'those were the days' where they made a load of additional cash out of digital.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 22 February 2020 08:11 (four years ago) link
I don't know much about textbooks in K12 so I won't comment on that.
In France HE textbooks are much less of a thing than they are in the usa (don't know uk). Profs generally write their own lecture notes, and those are made available either (old fashioned) as copies in the library or online (I do the latter). This is obviously the best solution for serious universities, where the teaching faculty are also active researchers. I'm an editor of an "open" textbook in my speciality, managed through GitHub so that teachers can assemble their text à la carte from the components we've collectively written. Obviously this is free as in beer. You can also have the books printed on command so students who don't have good access to the net/machine can use the book (you then just pay for the printing). This is, I hope, the future of textbooks.
― pet friendly (Euler), Saturday, 22 February 2020 10:00 (four years ago) link
also an interesting post, Euler. as you say, probably harder to do with K12 and state curriculums, but v interesting as a possible future model. to get this thread back on track this joyous news cross-posted from the rolling UK politics thread:https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/23/the-sun-records-huge-loss-amid-falling-print-sales-phone-hacking-damages
― Fizzles, Sunday, 23 February 2020 17:21 (four years ago) link
the end point of this terminal stage of big money liberalism is the heartbreaking plea, "why aren't donors stepping up to rescue [thing they don't actually care about]" https://t.co/QZfjOajpxV— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) April 19, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 April 2020 13:17 (four years ago) link
Someone stick a fork in the Herald
What do you think of David Icke's conspiracy theories? https://t.co/FFkbrunR2n— HeraldScotland (@heraldscotland) May 1, 2020
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Friday, 1 May 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
We asked Nicola Sturgeon if she had the brainpower to recognise that the coronavirus has been cooked up to help usher in a tyrannical fascist world government.She declined to comment.
She declined to comment.
Seriously get this to fuck.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Saturday, 2 May 2020 00:06 (three years ago) link
a mix between shite and bollocks with the swagger of a cunt?
(i tried)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 2 May 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
Print newspaper sales figures are supposed to be out today. But following industry representations, they no longer have to be made public. The monthly ABC sales charts have also been stopped permanently as they give "stimulus to write a negative narrative of circulation decline".— Jim Waterson (@jimwaterson) May 21, 2020
lol
If you keep the decline a secret maybe it will stop.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:14 (three years ago) link
wow
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:49 (three years ago) link
Note: Tribune Publishing has cut salaries & instituted furloughs citing the pandemic/the economy but the savings to the company is ~less than~ what it is paying in severance to one (1) executive. These decisions are made deliberately to enrich the few on the backs of the many. pic.twitter.com/43KToeEZNf— Nina Metz (@Nina_Metz) May 21, 2020
― Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:42 (three years ago) link
probably of no interest to non-pittsburghers but shit is *going down*with the post-gazette. western pa’s biggest supermarket chain just said they’d stop stocking it!
(owner/publisher are right wing racists, see google for most recent details, which are Fucked Up)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 June 2020 04:14 (three years ago) link
hmmm
Scoop from @kdoctor: "Leaders in the field of nonprofit journalism are deciding over the next 48 hours whether or not to make a bid for all of @mcclatchy, sources tell me."The idea: create the country's first major nonprofit newspaper chain.https://t.co/UoF082BnjG— Joshua Benton (@jbenton) June 29, 2020
― mookieproof, Monday, 29 June 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link
^ if this can be made to work, it will show the way out of the current hellscape
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 29 June 2020 20:29 (three years ago) link
I believe we slept on 'TEACH BOYS TO DUST'
Came across this montage I made for a presentation when working at EC London office. Wonder if future historians will look at who took decisions to bombard UK public with this drivel day after day, why they did it and did it bring them or anyone any gains in the end? pic.twitter.com/FQHRIUOQma— Mark English (@EULondonMark) August 5, 2020
― nashwan, Thursday, 6 August 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link
disappointing there are only two NOW... headlines there
― オニモ (onimo), Thursday, 6 August 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link
Oh wait, three
― オニモ (onimo), Thursday, 6 August 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link
this is amazing https://www.ft.com/content/745e34a1-0ca7-432c-b062-950c20e41f03
― stet, Friday, 4 September 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
sorry that's paywalled. it's about how Wirecard tried to discredit the FT by setting up fake news operations with spies bribing market manipulators and other evil-billionaire nonsense.
― stet, Friday, 4 September 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
I totally thought, for a second, that you were posting about the FT's baroque payment structure.
― tater totalitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 September 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
Such a great read. Like a spy thriller or something.
― Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Friday, 4 September 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
I mean Jesus Christ lads pic.twitter.com/oDOW6EBh3W— The Author, Séamas O'Reilly (@shockproofbeats) April 8, 2021
― nashwan, Friday, 9 April 2021 09:06 (three years ago) link
LOL Englishes
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 09:13 (three years ago) link
Mind you, maybe the editor of the Metro is an Orangeman.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 09:14 (three years ago) link
well they did previously get a load of DUP cash for a Brexit ad.
― calzino, Friday, 9 April 2021 09:22 (three years ago) link
Some questioned if it was a deliberate attempt at humour, or if the positioning of the stories was an unfortunate oversight.
lol yeah sure
― calzino, Friday, 9 April 2021 09:35 (three years ago) link
Orangeman bad
― maybe the beeple would be the times or between clark and hill (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 9 April 2021 09:36 (three years ago) link
A whole lot of responses to the question: why did you cancel your NYT/Guardian/Idaho Mountain Express subscription https://www.niemanlab.org/2021/10/expensive-boring-and-wrong-here-are-all-the-news-publications-people-canceled-and-why/
― Alba, Saturday, 30 October 2021 12:03 (two years ago) link
Interesting piece
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/society-and-culture/the-inside-story-of-backstabbing-feuds-and-intrigue-at-the-daily-mail
― nashwan, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 12:22 (two years ago) link
Superfluous announcement gets canned
📢 '...put unwanted newspapers in the bin...'This is one example of the announcements that we're getting rid of, making the passenger experience better and delivering on the Williams-Shapps #PlanForRail. Read more on announcements we’re removing: https://t.co/ZZQGqW58Jn pic.twitter.com/l2ITutFsci— Department for Transport (@transportgovuk) January 21, 2022
― Alba, Friday, 21 January 2022 14:50 (two years ago) link
Captured on video: the last willing reader of the Telegraph
― There's A Goots In My House (stevie), Saturday, 22 January 2022 10:55 (two years ago) link