The Blue Nile: C or D?

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(Haha, Julio, that's where I nicked my structure, but I guess it was alright cos I think he nicked the turn from the X Y Zedd post on the 'What if Punk Never Happened?' thread).

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Daniel Bedingfield is as close as modern pop gets to The Blue Nile. I get the feeling that he's a stubborn perfectionist too, answering only to his standards, steeped in integrity and honesty. Imagine if he took 5 years to write and record his follow up. It'd be amazing.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Imagine if he took 5 years to write and record his follow up. It'd be amazing.''

or it could be a disaster too i suppose.

''(Haha, Julio, that's where I nicked my structure, but I guess it was alright cos I think he nicked the turn from the X Y Zedd post on the 'What if Punk Never Happened?' thread).''

I just thought i had seen something like that. but yr post is triffic in its own way.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Aw shucks, thanks you guys! Actually, I realised today that every thing I've ever written has, in some way, been to make someone fall in love with me or notice me and that post was specifically written to make Dr C notice me (and to make him happy, too) after I'd written my little heart into All of My Heart last week without him popping up; it was also written as an accompinament (god, spelling) to a Blue Nile 'best of...' I'm making up for a friend.)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I think Daniel Bedingfield is as close as modern pop gets to The Blue Nile."

Yes! "If You're Not The One" works in exactly the same way as the peerless "Tinseltown In The Rain" ie. a "generic" love song rendered strange and fascinating by the force and peculiarity of its emotional over-investment.

Although Cozen you should really check out that there new Coloma album which is almost self-consciously an update of The Blue Nile for the post-glitch generation. As with The Blue Nile it's svelte literary studio-pop that feels like all the sound-politics have been surgically removed (eg. this is click-pop only because, well, why not if it sounds good? cf. Schneider TM's "The Light 3000") so I imagine that in a decade or so it'll have that same lovely timeless-datedness as TBN's first two albums have. It's very much like A Walk Across The Rooftops in particular. Much better than their first album.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

did you realise that daniel bedingfield is a born again christian?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

He was born somewhere really (relatively) 'weird', like Hawaii or something. I can't remember, I'll look it out.

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

he has a high speaking voice.

I saw him on 'today with des & mel'.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yesterday I bought Rooftops for a dollar! :-)

Keith McD (Keith McD), Thursday, 27 March 2003 04:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've jotted down some more thoughts on The Blue Nile and Coloma at Skykicking.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 04:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Think you meant Skykicking.

hamish (hamish), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 04:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just listened to A Walk Across the Rooftops today for the first time in a long while. Really sounds distinctly uneighties in the end, doesn't it. The Talk Talk comparisons now finally do make sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 04:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Record Review of the Year, Tim. Just beautiful. Better than my Morgenstern one (did you my last e-mail?) by a good country mile, and there was me really happy with it and you show everyone how it's really done. Rat bastard. ;)

I figured out why I like Daniel Bedingfield earlier. Or one aspect. I remembered something Frank Kogan said to me about how he really liked the way that I wasn't scared to be overwrought when the usual rock-crit approach is to come across all Ed Casual (hehe, what's Frank's e-mail address again?). I suppose I see a lot of myself in Daniel. All thing considered, a juxtaposition of poets might be in order:

Everywhere he saw his own image, -
his perfect face...

When he rode out of the city, the people
gathered to admire him: a ribbon
of faces, fixed on this one face
and haunted by its indifference. They said:
'as beautiful as a painting', and we
feel a chill cast across these years
for we know there is another painting
that does not hang in any gallery

- John Ash

I like you so much I'm acting stupid
I can't play the game I'm all intense and alive
I'm losing control of my heart
I'm not supposed to be this nervous
I should play my hand all cool and calm
I can't breathe
I'm losing control of my heart

- Daniel Bedingfield

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Finney I mean Finery is indeed EXCELLENT.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sadly, I probably won't be able to get it here in Glasgow. And I'm internet-shopping averse. If I get it, I'll make a copy and give it to Paul Buchanan, I see him quite often, coming out of the local Safeways.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

("I can't breathe"!!!)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was thinking about why "Peace at Last" never appealed to me, and I reckon it's because it cuts the (admittedly tenuous) connection with disco. I love every single moment of "Tinseltown In The Rain", but the point where it really blows me away is the final string-riff loops where the disco beat suddenly gets more pronounced, and the whole song takes on this aura of bittersweet triumph. I could well imagine the song being the inspiration for Luomo's "The Present Lover". Actually Luomo could do a lot with a remix of The Blue Nile.

I was trying to think of more music from the eighties that fits into this area of explicitly emotional quasi-dance pop, but I couldn't get far beyond The Hounds of Love. Any ideas?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have Hats, and that's definitely a Classic.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 April 2003 01:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

was trying to think of more music from the eighties that fits into this area of explicitly emotional quasi-dance pop, but I couldn't get far beyond The Hounds of Love. Any ideas?

Associates surely fit this description.

But Tim is OTM regarding Tinseltown being a lost dance classic, I certainly remember hearing it in clubs in Dundee in the mid-80's. Apparently they had some of their work from Hats remixed by Oakenfold (or some other name remixer), but they nixed it on hearing it. Now that I'd like to hear.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 10 April 2003 07:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

My other half was Paul's telephone answering service[flatmate]all through the writing and release of the first record.He says there was definately a whole bunch of up and happy songs right after rooftops.I met Paul once and he can do charm.Happy Easter everybody.

jean bowman, Sunday, 20 April 2003 09:51 (twenty years ago) link

Happy Easter Jean.

Where did the up and happy songs go, then? Left to rot as demos?

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 April 2003 10:11 (twenty years ago) link

Ta for the greetings. Re demos there must be millyens of them . If you see Paul ask him. I hear that Heatwave had five minutes of birds and boats before the music and even that was cut down from a long session outdoors. Regards to the West End, it must be great this time of year.

jean bowman, Sunday, 20 April 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

It is, it's lovely.

I don't think I'd have the bare-faced gall to actually talk to the man though.

It feels a bit criminal to actually listen to the Blue Nile at this time of year though, like I'm going to shatter the mood.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 April 2003 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

Interesting thread.

1. The only track I know is 'I Love This Life', which the Nipper gave me. The Nipper is right about it.

2. Cozen's big post above is indeed good, and indeed structurally resembles one of mine. But no, I didn't take my own structure from anyone else.

3. Whether or not the Bedingfield link is apt, I don't think 'emotional overinvolvement' etc is necessarily the key to 'If You're Not The One': what woke me up to that track was simply the rare quality of its tune.

the pinefox, Monday, 21 April 2003 09:20 (twenty years ago) link

There is a West End in Autumn when the freshers get free from mum and dad and the bar owners give thanks that summer is over.There are the foggy winter nights when you walk home after parties to the sound of nightingales and there is the first heatwave when everyone skips studies to lie on the grass but the story I most like is Paul being kept awake by people some might say were winos singing on hot summer nights and he went to the kitchen, made them sandwiches, then went to the park, got to know them and and joined in. I think the west end is the right mood.All of it.Yo sho lucky to be there.

jean bowman, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
If I crack this open tonight, you might never see me on ILx again.

David. (Cozen), Sunday, 20 July 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

:-(

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 July 2003 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

I finally got the Coloma album today. I'm not entirely sold on all of it, but 'Welcome To Arcadia' is the best four minutes of pop I've heard all year.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

OK, now I'm sold on it.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha Ricky that was exactly how it happened for me too.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 05:27 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"What do you say when three years into a relationship the only things holding you together is the fear of breaking the ties you?ve built in the outside world as a unit? When an offer of tea is the only lull in the silence? ?Let?s go out tonight?, one last time, meet up with the ghost of your happiness, it can be the same again, you will dance, for one night, oh to bed the same different woman every night, and leave the relationship strafed with cigarette burns and headaches in, alone."

This feels terrifyingly prescient in light of recent of events. If I can be specious for a moment.

David. (Cozen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
god they are classic. hats is just really beautiful. i want the world to be this beautiful.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 22 December 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

i think if i had had this record in high school i would have killed myself. i dont know how to explain.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 22 December 2003 06:08 (twenty years ago) link

The juncture between the beauty present in that record and that present in your life? I got into The Blue Nile when I was sixteen and it felt a bit like that.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 December 2003 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

Like, "Do I love you?? YES I love you!!" feels even more bittersweet if the person you're singing it about is only imaginary.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 December 2003 08:52 (twenty years ago) link

... shouted from imaginary rooftops in an imaginary city.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 22 December 2003 09:40 (twenty years ago) link

hard to say. it was just a very very emotionally intense time (as it was for most) and maybe the album would have pushed me over the edge. the person wasnt imaginary, just the potential for a relationship. i met someone when i was sixteen who knew more about me than i did.

the city doesnt have to be imaginary. any city is good when the street lights are reflected in puddles on the sidewalk.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 22 December 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

pavement.

; )

RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 December 2003 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

the three times i can remember hearing the Blue Nile on the radio
1. 'tinseltown in the rain' in a chipshop in Maryhill. i'm 15 and its the first time i've heard them. i strain to hear who its by.
2. 'downtown lights'. i'm 20 and driving home after splitting up with someone, it comes on my battered car radio and i finally fall in love with 'hats' (which i hadnt been to impressed with).
3. 'saturday night' in a cafe/bar near the gaudi cathedral in barcelona a couple of years ago. i suddenly feel very homesick.

zappi (joni), Monday, 22 December 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

Maryhill! i live there!

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 22 December 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

haha point of shame: i followed p4ul buch4nan (de-googlable to protect myself, wince wince) home the other night.

still utterly classic. i only wish someone else would make music this good sometime soon, i thk i might've worn out my copies of hats and rooftops.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 December 2003 23:55 (twenty years ago) link

now that's funny!

jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

I only just spotted Cozen's O'Hara pastiche.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

Such a great band, so many bad ideas.

I fell asleep listening to Hats last night and woke up to track 6, 'Seven A.M.,' and thought this must be a precursor to Stereolab's mutation of Neu!'s motorik sound. I'm listening to it again now and not really hearing it. Maybe I was dreaming, or confused. Okay, now it's coming on.

youn, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 02:05 (twenty years ago) link

I thought their 80s albums were great, but they should have kept to that New Romantics influenced sound, as the more organic 90s album was somewhat ill-advised.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

Btw. Speaking of Talk Talk, isn't David Sylvian a natural reference too?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

Ooops. I didn't mean it was a bad idea. I thought it was kinda cool. I only wanted to reference Hamish's post cos I didn't think of them as innovators until I read his remark.

youn, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

WAART is innovative, edgy, and hard to categorize. Hats sounds like there's a layer of importance missing — like quality.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 25 December 2003 08:17 (twenty years ago) link

That said, AMG says this about WATRT (apologies for the incorrect acronym above), which I've never heard:

"The Blue Nile's debut album has a rather fascinating genesis. Scotland's Linn Electronics, makers of the famous LinnDrums rhythm boxes, wanted a demo track to demonstrate the fidelity and versatility of their new digital recording console and tapped a struggling local trio, the Blue Nile, to provide it. Their effort was a deliberately disjunctive song called "A Walk Across the Rooftops." To demonstrate the recording equipment's dynamic range and clarity, the song was arranged most peculiarly, with vocals, guitar, bass, keyboards, drums, and full string and horn sections all appearing, but never at the same time. Linn liked the song so much that they formed a record label and bankrolled the recording of this full album."

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 25 December 2003 08:19 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
Revive! New album (_High_) out 8/31.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Friday, 20 August 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Another post of it, sounds slightly differently sourced?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmbIfI7EdU

Soundslike, Saturday, 20 June 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link

'Young Club' is indeed a track from the Hats sessions. It's on the B-sides and Rare CDr

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 20 June 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link

Damn, wish it had been included in complete/quality form with the 'Hats' deluxe, then...

Soundslike, Saturday, 20 June 2020 22:15 (three years ago) link

still getting knocked out by "i" on a daily basis

k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 July 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

Do I remember right that there is a collection of b-sides and whatnot that has not been rounded up on these reissues? Anybody got a link? I fell in love with this band due to seeing this thread repeatedly bumped for a while and I'm trying to hunt down everything I can.

It's weird that Peace At Last Deluxe is the CD that is hardest to find. I thought that was the one that was less loved?

Cow_Art, Monday, 12 October 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link

not sure if this has been posted in another thread on here, but even if so deserves a repost - fantastic quality live show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fItoUZunua4&list=PLwXOGPZXptBCsQGmwc55lb5YgzZzcpAhT&index=10

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fItoUZunua4

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

Beautiful and melancholy short film of Paul talking about Tinseltown in the Rain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFoMUAmDGCI

that's not my post, Saturday, 24 October 2020 06:01 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

@KenSweeney, were you aware this track was re-mixed/re-released for download last month? You're usually my first source for anything The Blue Nile related! https://t.co/xd28FgSDtr

— Brad (@ballskwok) August 27, 2021

k3vin k., Saturday, 4 September 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link

wowee.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Saturday, 4 September 2021 22:57 (two years ago) link

absolutely lush.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Saturday, 4 September 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

PJ Moore and Co, eight track new album coming soon. Herald article here.

First track, "Need to Believe", available for download, along w/ album pre-order, at PJ Moore's site.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 6 July 2022 15:05 (one year ago) link

ooh good find!

k3vin k., Saturday, 9 July 2022 10:05 (one year ago) link

There's obvs a hefty wodge of a-Ha in there too, but am I alone in hearing the Blue Nile's 'I Love this Life' in Harry Styles' 'As It Was'?

Piedie Gimbel, Saturday, 9 July 2022 12:42 (one year ago) link

little piece in Tribune

Forty years ago, Glasgow band The Blue Nile released their first single. Their work was rooted in Glasgow itself, and the changes wrought by the shock of Thatcherism. https://t.co/j6VoGHLErq

— Tribune (@tribunemagazine) July 16, 2022

nxd, Sunday, 17 July 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fItoUZunua4

good piece and the live recording linked is immense

ufo, Monday, 18 July 2022 04:01 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

yo!

k3vin k., Friday, 12 August 2022 22:48 (one year ago) link

if any nileheads are up for it paul buchanan is selling a remastered 2LP 10th anniversary edition of mid air https://store.paulbuchanan.com

Clay, Friday, 12 August 2022 22:59 (one year ago) link

still waiting for my preorder to arrive!

k3vin k., Sunday, 21 August 2022 23:47 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Interestingly, only the single is available on streaming (Apple Music, anyway). It sounds good--very Blue Nile, as one would expect.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 23:35 (one year ago) link

You can listen to another track on their website (and buy the album there)

https://www.pjmooreandco.com/music-1

groovypanda, Thursday, 3 November 2022 06:43 (one year ago) link

this song from last year by Nigel's project Quiet City featuring vocals by Pat was incredible

Quiet City - Due North (Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuYDC2zY3wM

flopson, Thursday, 3 November 2022 06:59 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

I honestly don't know if I can think of a single artist/band whose first single (a-side and b-side taken together) is more perfectly fully realized, and totally sui generis. I've never heard pure joy captured more wonderfully and without any mawkishness in music than with "I Love This Life," and the world-weary wisdom and old-soul sadness of "The Second Act" is so moving (and rather shocking coming from a 25-year-old). And to think--they got *better* for the next decade, seems impossible.

OTM, I just fell hard for this single, "The Second Act" even more than the A-side. It's so elegantly sad and makes me wish they had spent more time using a more primitive drum machine.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 16:50 (one year ago) link


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