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Nadal will be #1 on 18/8. Can't quite believe Fed's slump post-SW19; loss to Simon, near-loss to Ginepri, loss to Karlovic. Thought he might have at least made a fight of the #1 ranking (his form was fine for 18 of 19 matches in Paris, Halle and London); I had this romantic notion of the baton being passed as Fed beat Nadal at Flushing Meadow (Nadal's points surge taking him past the repeating champ despite the loss). Fed will be lucky to get out of the sixteens in NYC. Does Beijing have any ranking points?

Michael Jones, Monday, 4 August 2008 00:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it does. i think a few less than a masters event for the dudes, a few more than a tier ii for the chicas.

GOD that feels ridiculous looking at it! thinking about how much the olympics mean to, like, track&fielders and rowers and the like, and in tennis it's like...a TIER II.

anyway in other news, THIS is the 15-year-old saviour of the WTA who in the past month has taken sets from both serena and sweta, michelle larcher de brito:

she makes sharapova sound like a trappist. seriously i can't believe she hasn't been asked to stop that bullshit yet, or like MURDERED ON COURT by a deafened opponent. that's not a grunt, that's a scream with a sustain pedal on. i'm not sure i'm going to be able to actually watch any of her matches.

oh and in other news silliams has pissed on her phone at the beach:
sometimes you just long for the days before celebrities discovered how to work the internet themselves :(

(also note "enuf boring stuff" LIKE TENNIS)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

you know, i used to watch all the nonslams cuz my stepdad taped them. then i didn't speak to him anymore. i wish i knew when they were on -- i think i'm gonna have to get on top of that!

Surmounter, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

they're on every week! televised or not is another qn

lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

exactly, that's the thing.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

Blake was asked about the partisan crowd before today's final and reminded everyone he's half English :)

BBC giving it "Blake is just happy to be here" bollocks - dude isn't here to make the numbers up. I think I'll be pro-Blake today, as he does things like this

SB "A Good Story" (onimo), Sunday, 14 June 2009 13:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well done Andy!

ailsa, Sunday, 14 June 2009 15:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Bit of a dull game lit up by a few stunning forehands. Shoddy line calls all day, none of which helped Blake. Well done to Murray on being the first Brit in yonks to win Queen's, which I'm sure won't lead to even more Wimbledon hype.

SB "A Good Story" (onimo), Sunday, 14 June 2009 15:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

I predict Murray will cave under the pressure and be out by round 3.

ailsa, Sunday, 14 June 2009 15:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

he doesn't seem to be the sort to cave under pressure. but a friendly first-week draw would certainly be nice...

didn't watch the Queen's, but watched the Edgbaston SFs (Li d. Sharapova and Rybarikova d. Mirza) and a bit of the final today - Magdalena Rybarikova is a real discovery, such a classic grass-court game! Slices and volleys and good serving! she looks weirdly like Samantha Morton, too. i remember seeing a photo of her from her junior days when she lost some random final - she was posing w/the trophy and seriously looked like she was about to go bowling for columbine. so it was lucky for Edgbaston that she won today!

Haas beat Djokovic in the Halle final this week too.

lex pretend, Sunday, 14 June 2009 15:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

in other news, larcher de screamo gets a wildcard to wimbledon. FUN.

Roz, Sunday, 14 June 2009 15:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

The weird transatlantification of Murray's pan loaf accent has meant I can't actually hear what he's saying - it's just a series of droning noises that makes my ears stop working.

SB "A Good Story" (onimo), Sunday, 14 June 2009 16:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

pan loaf accent

is that how you talk with your mouth full of bread?

Beth Parker, Sunday, 14 June 2009 16:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

It was once more expensive and regarded as more fashionable than the then more common plain loaf. Hence, to speak with a pan loafy voice is to speak in a posh or affected manner.

SB "A Good Story" (onimo), Sunday, 14 June 2009 16:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

How on earth does Murray speak with an affected accent?! He just mumbles.

I found that picture of Rybarikova looking like she's ready to go bowling for Columbine after losing the Wimbledon juniors final!

Fortunately today was more to her liking.

lex pretend, Sunday, 14 June 2009 16:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Haas beat Djokovic in the Halle final this week too.

!!! interesting result for sure. fed dropped out?

Lamp, Sunday, 14 June 2009 17:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah...Djokovic was lucky to be in the final at all, he had to come back from 5-7, 2-5 down and save 5 match points against Florent Serra (!) in the 2nd round.

lex pretend, Sunday, 14 June 2009 17:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...


French tennis player banned for betting found dead

Natural causes apparently.

RIP Mathieu

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 15:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fuckin' hell. (Though my initial shock was because I thought you meant Paul-Henri Mathieu...)

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 16:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh right, sorry! To avoid confusion to others: it's Mathieu Montcourt.

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 16:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Lex's favourite choker, Richard Gasquet avoids getting suspended after testing positive for coke.

The full findings are here (pdf): pretty lol-worthy just for the kissing descriptions and finding out that he was allegedly "contaminated" at a Bob Sinclar event.

Roz, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 20:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

hingis should've found a french waiter of her own to blame. or maybe just one of the 9494439 atp players she'd slept with.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 20:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

her ban ends in january right? think she'll come back?

Roz, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 21:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

wtf federer?! 5-2 up in the final set, somehow fails to serve it out twice and then DFs on match point in the tie-break to give Tsonga the win.

all credit to Jo-W for stepping it up right at the end, but still... that was some breakdown.

Roz, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

5-1 up in the third! :o

at the same time I was watching Flavia Pennetta try to choke away her match - she beat Venus in the last round, and winning this would mean a top 10 debut. 6 match points came and went, double faults on at least two of them, but her opponent was Hantuchova so it was OK in the end.

btw, Serena's post-Wimbledon record = QF loss in Stanford to Stosur and 3R loss in Cincinnati to Bammer, who now owns a 2-0 record over her. The Real Number 1!

am endeavouring to pretend the horrific Clijsters comeback isn't happening. never liked her.

best recent press conference = Marat defending baby sis by telling the press to "go fuck themselves" <3

lex pretend, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

obv didn't see the Fed match but am guessing that J-W just started going even more for broke than usual when down 1-5, and everything began going in.

lex pretend, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

yep and suddenly firing aces as well when he hadn't been able to get a good first serve in since like the end of the first set. meanwhile fed's serve just went to pieces after that.

also yay dinara fighting back a break in both sets to beat kimmy. would've hated it if she lost this one.

Roz, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

best recent press conference = Marat defending baby sis by telling the press to "go fuck themselves" <3

this whole presser was fucking classic.

Q. Now that you stopped, what about coaching her?

MARAT SAFIN: Oh, you want me to hang myself? (laughter.)

Roz, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

<3 <3 <3

lex pretend, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wow, Pennetta will be Italy's FIRST EVER top 10 woman! Both Schiavone and, before her, Farina Elia peaked at 11.

lex pretend, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, Andy Murray becomes the first man not named Roger or Rafa to hold a spot in the top two since forever. More importantly, Del Potro beat Roddick.

Michael Jones, Sunday, 16 August 2009 09:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

i am enjoying Del Pony's hardcourt domination of Roddick v much.

lex pretend, Sunday, 16 August 2009 09:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Does it mean Del P gets his #5 ranking back? I know he lost a bunch of points in the second half of July. In fact, I'm happy to support Juan Martin today if it makes the difference... ;)

Michael Jones, Sunday, 16 August 2009 09:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, if he wins today he'll be back at no 5.

lex pretend, Sunday, 16 August 2009 10:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

How is Nadal doing post-injury? Lost an edge, or is it too early to tell?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 August 2009 10:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

he's only played two or three proper matches so yeah still rusty/cautious but he seems to be getting better everyday.

gonna be a great USO - with Murray at number 2, it's likely that Nadal will end up on the same half of the draw as Fed which is just weird to think abt. they've both been at the top for *ages*.

Roz, Sunday, 16 August 2009 11:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

henin to unretire

mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 18:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

can only be a good thing

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 19:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

i have no problem with these comebacks, but geez, i wish these "i am gonna quit tennis"-people just announce a sabbatical instead.

also, on another forum i heard a theory that Henin will have a much more difficult time getting back in top shape, since "she's no athlete" and only got to number 1 after years and years and years of hard work.

otoh Clijsters had a kid.

Ludo, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 19:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Subconsciously, it might have had an impact," Henin said of Clijster's successful comeback. "But it certainly was not the most important reason."

loooool keep telling yourself that, honey

Roz, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 19:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

Whatever the reasons this is good news.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 19:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Justine <3

This is only a good thing if we WIN THE AUSTRALIAN OPEN. And everything else. And get that Wimbledon title. And overtake Serena's Slam total.

I love the idea that she's only doing it to bully St. Kim again :D

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 19:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

exactly... like she'd ever let kim be the number one belgian. :P

Roz, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 19:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 19:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wonderful news. Unless it's a total failure and she runs out of wildcards after a few months.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 20:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

This is so hilarious! Welcome back, Justine!

sturdy, ultra-light, under-the-pants moneybelt (HI DERE), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 20:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

women's tennis is so fucked.

mizzell, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 21:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

3/1 To win 2010 French Open

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 23 September 2009 10:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

Need to point out that 38-yr-old Kimiko Date-Krumm - she will be 39 next month - has just reached the Seoul final, beating Kleybanova, Hantuchova (lol Hantuchova) and Kirilenko in consecutive three-setters! So happy for her. From the bits and pieces I've seen of her this year, her old-school flat strokes are still a joy to watch and she's still a superior athlete to many of the girls half her age. She'll play Groenefeld or Medina Garrigues in the final - surely either are winnable matches.

And the WTA used "age ain't nothing but a number" as the headline for their story :D

lex pretend, Saturday, 26 September 2009 09:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

lex pretend, Saturday, 26 September 2009 09:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Garcia shanked three overheads in that last game

groovemaaan, Friday, 24 April 2015 19:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

So Martina out as A Rad's coach. That didn't last long. Decided that being a solid top ten player albeit a passive one was maybe her best bet after all.

pandemic, Saturday, 25 April 2015 06:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

Woz-Halep was excellent fare. Woz in 2014 end of season form.

pandemic, Saturday, 25 April 2015 14:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

kinda wild theyre showing college tennis on sec network & theres neighboring cts where two matches are 5-5 in the third set

johnny crunch, Saturday, 25 April 2015 16:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

the spectators on the shared side btwn the cts are turning back and forth to watch each match point by point

johnny crunch, Saturday, 25 April 2015 16:45 (1 week ago) Permalink


lex pretend, Sunday, 26 April 2015 14:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

God, those match points were tense...excellent final overall, Kerber's entire 11-match winning streak has been v enjoyable to watch. She has such an entertaining game.

lex pretend, Sunday, 26 April 2015 14:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

wow @ vesely v ggl

johnny crunch, Sunday, 26 April 2015 15:27 (1 week ago) Permalink

end of Thiem/Pospisil was good - had been a somewhat underwhelming servebotting affair for most of the last set, some huge winners from both towards the end of the TB though.

watched some of 17yo Andrey Rublev beating Dzumhur in Istanbul earlier, impressed with his game - especially his BH, and also his attitude on return

on an unstreamed court in Prague, Bencic just saved six consecutive MPs from 0-6 down in the second set TB against Konjuh - their first senior meeting (Konjuh won their only junior one)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:26 (6 days ago) Permalink

Christ. Konjuh blew another three MPs serving for the match at 5-4 in the third, saved three serving down 5-6, finally won the TB 7-3 on her 10th MP.

If they both get to the top of the game, this epic match that nobody saw will have been the start of it.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:15 (6 days ago) Permalink

so annoying that this match got bumped to a non-televised court bc of the rain delay

i'm glad that thiem won that match but it's not a good sign that he struggles against pospisil on clay. the tiebreak was great though.

groovemaaan, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:33 (6 days ago) Permalink

Talking of 17yos, Frances Tiafoe of USA seems to be making a decent attack on the Challenger level: reached quarterfinal two weeks ago in Sarasota (out to Buchanan), semifinal last week (out to McGee), and just now knocked top seed Bagnis out in the first round in Tallahassee.

BTW (you may possibly all be aware of this already, but just in case): Most (men's) Challenger events have a court or two streaming continuously for free in decent quality at

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:17 (5 days ago) Permalink

Safarova is truly a mystery. *2-4, 0-40 down in the final set vs Smitkova, she plays:

- Five perfect service points to avoid the double break. 3-4*
- Four impeccable defensive points with Smitkova absolutely pummeling the ball at her to break back to love. *4-4
- So much momentum! Then: DF, basic error, shanked BH two feet in front of her, DF. 4-5*
- Then Smitkova serves it out, albeit it took her 5 MPs. Safarova had two BPs; on one Smitkova served an ace, on the other Safarova hit a baseball home run overhead

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 10:16 (5 days ago) Permalink

Notwithstanding Safarova, CZE gets six out of eight QFists in Prague and will have three out of four SFists. That's a successful home event, then!

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:09 (5 days ago) Permalink

Rublev very impressive but that hair

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 19:09 (5 days ago) Permalink

Continuing on the theme of youngsters: I had a feeling I'd been seeing an unusual amount of under-18's doing OK lately in the men's tournaments, and looking more closely at the data, this appears to be the case. I chose a pretty low bar for "doing OK", in order to get a decent amount of data: winning a first-round match in the main draw of an ATP main tour or Challenger tournament (without the aid of a retirement, walkover, disqualification or forfeit).

This chart shows, for each of the last ten years, the percentage of such 1st-round matches that were won by players under 18 (with the caveat that the calculated ages may possibly be up to a week off or so):

Sure, the numbers are low, especially for 2015, which is only 1/3 complete, but it still seems this trend is real. Part of the effect, of course, is that the youngsters of 2011 and 2012 were hardly Any Good At All; in 2011 only two Challenger first-round matches were won by under-18's, in 2012 only ONE (!) out of 2281 (and none for the 1169 completed main-tour first-round matches).

In case you were wondering, the U18 players who have won a 1st round match so far in 2015 are:

Andrey Rublev (1 x ATP 1000, 1 x ATP 500, 2 x ATP 250, 1 x Challenger)
Alexander Zverev (1 x ATP 1000, 1 x Challenger)
Frances Tiafoe (3 x Challenger)
Orlando Luz (2 x Challenger)
Tommy Paul (2 x Challenger)
Duck Hee Lee (1 x Challenger)
Omar Jasika (1 x Challenger)
Roman Safiullin (1 x Challenger)
Stefan Kozlov (1 x Challenger)

anatol_merklich, Friday, 1 May 2015 06:48 (3 days ago) Permalink

For the five previous years, for reference:

Borna Coric (1 x Slam, 1 x ATP 500, 1 x ATP 250, 6 x Challenger)
Thanasi Kokkinakis (1 x Slam)
Alexander Zverev (1 x ATP 500, 5 x Challenger)
Jared Donaldson (3 x Challenger)
Omar Jasika (2 x Challenger)
Amine Ahouda, Antonio Cembellin Prieto, Christian Garin, Dmitry Popko, Hyeon Chung, Joao Menezes, Juan Pablo Ficovich, Karen Khachanov, Marc Polmans, Sasi Kumar Mukund, Stefan Kozlov (1 x Challenger each)

Karen Khachanov (2 x ATP 250, 1 x Challenger)
Christian Garin (1 x ATP 250, 4 x Challenger)
Gianluigi Quinzi (4 x Challenger)
Thanasi Kokkinakis (4 x Challenger)
Nick Kyrgios (2 x Challenger)
Bastian Malla, Blake Mott, Borna Coric, Francisco Bahamonde, Hyeon Chung, Marcelo Tebet Filho, Nicholas Horton, Patrick Ciorcila, Wayne Montgomery (1 x Challenger each)

Thiago Moura Monteiro (1 x Challenger)

Joao Pedro Sorgi, Bruno Sant'Anna (1 x Challenger each)

Bernard Tomic (1 x Slam, 1 x ATP 250, 3 x Challenger)
Ryan Harrison (1 x ATP 1000, 2 x Challenger)
Denis Kudla (1 x ATP 250)
Filip Krajinovic (2 x Challenger)
Tiago Fernandes (2 x Challenger)
Daniel Berta, Dominic Thiem, Micke Kontinen, Suk-Young Jeong (1 x Challenger each)

anatol_merklich, Friday, 1 May 2015 07:17 (3 days ago) Permalink

It was only a few years ago that we had one teenager in the ATP top 200. Really pleased to see that Duck Hee Lee seems to be happening; he got a bit of notice as a junior because he's deaf.

lex pretend, Friday, 1 May 2015 08:01 (3 days ago) Permalink

boy, the Madrid draw is stacked. Vika/Venus R1, winner probably gets Bencic in R2 then Serena in R3. Sharapova opens against Bacsinszky (albeit Bacsinszky's dominant form seemed absent in Marrakech this week), Pliskova or Garcia in R3. Makarova opens against Kuznetsova, winner probably gets Muguruza in R2 and a projected R3 vs Kerber, who herself opens against Stosur, then probably Keys in R2.

Still, my favourite R1 is definitely Bouchard against Strycova. Handshake lesson imminent!

lex pretend, Friday, 1 May 2015 10:25 (3 days ago) Permalink

Federer is totally losing this Istanbul final to Cuevas. Book it.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Sunday, 3 May 2015 00:11 (Yesterday) Permalink

Strycova d. Bouchard 0-6 6-3 6-3.

It's official. Bouchard is not the new Sharapova. She's the new Hantuchova. Barbie <3 :D :D

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Sunday, 3 May 2015 13:56 (Yesterday) Permalink

Impressed by the sheer variety of Bouchard's six-match losing streak.

IW QF, 76 57 46 to Lesia Tsurenko: losing to a qualifier from a double break up in the third, with a wide open draw ahead of her
Miami R2, 06 67 to Tatjana Maria: getting bagelled by a #113-ranked qualifier
Charleston R2, 16 36 to Lauren Davis: thrashed by one of the smallest and weapon-free journeywomen on Tour
Fed Cup, 46 46 to Alexandra Dulgheru: self-inflicted post-handshakegate humiliation in front of her home crowd
Fed Cup, 64 46 16 to Andreea Mitu: ditto, except to a #104-ranked substitute and from a set and a break up
Madrid R1, 60 36 36 to Barbora Strycova: handing out the bagel this time...and still losing

lex pretend, Sunday, 3 May 2015 14:01 (Yesterday) Permalink

can't find a working stream but I'm sure Kvitova losing a set to Govortsova is going to be some champagne tennis, right.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Sunday, 3 May 2015 14:10 (Yesterday) Permalink

Kyrgios's attitude was so pissy today. Not the slightest danger of him even putting up a fight let alone saving 9 MPs vs Gasquet this time

lex pretend, Sunday, 3 May 2015 15:50 (Yesterday) Permalink

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