what artist, if any, is worth doing an ILM tracks poll?

frankly I think these things are pretty unnecessary

where's the harm?

hey before the flood can we make a rule that only one of these can go on at once

seeing all the polls done so far my reaction has been part eye-roll, part relief that i don't have to invest any time in them

there are only a few artists on this list i'd change that for tbh (jay-z, neptunes, timbaland)

after watching a Pavement poll get more voters than a poll of the entire genre of hip hop, attempting a Beyonce/DC poll would just be depressing tbh

seeing all the polls done so far my reaction has been part eye-roll, part relief that i don't have to invest any time in them

Kinda with lex on that one. Don't like the idea of the polls, even for artists I like.

joni mitchell and kate bush seem obvious choices. pj harvey too, but it always feels a bit odd doing massive retrospective projects when the artist is still so active (and still at their creative peak, so to speak, unlike eg timbaland).

jay and kast would be super fun. and peej/bush/madonna/joni as people have mentioned. wu maybe too discussed already on ilm. coltrane/prince would be the nuts. dr. dre only has two albums and i don't know if he has enough production classics to really do this... maybe an nwa members poll. just don't seem to care about the indie or canon rock choices - maybe bowie.

overall though, on a learning and interest basis - stevie.

my choice from who is missing from the poll: GIL SCOTT HERON

after watching a Pavement poll get more voters than a poll of the entire genre of hip hop, attempting a Beyonce/DC poll would just be depressing tbh

― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:05 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man wut? sb ilm.

There was a Pavement poll? Ugh.

But point taken. Thing is, the posters who love the stuff I'd love to see a top 50 of are precisely the ppl who would never participate in such a boring fanboy exercise as writing out ballots and spreadsheets.

I like the idea of all these fine. I didn't engage in the pavement poll but found it neat to see the final list. I suggest someone else start all these polls at once and deliver me the stats forthwith

frankly I think these things are pretty unnecessary

where's the harm?

― i love the smell of facepalm in the morning (ledge), Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:04 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

no harm obviously, but -- and i've said this before so excuse me repeating myself -- a lot of these artists you could pretty easily whittle down to a regular poll thread of their 50 most beloved songs without all the fanfare. also elevating some indie band that was only together for a decade to the level of oh we need to rank half their catalog is just kinda ridic.

after watching a Pavement poll get more voters than a poll of the entire genre of hip hop, attempting a Beyonce/DC poll would just be depressing tbh

ughhhh ilm :(

Prince or Timbo would probably be the most fun -- i'd probably get the most personal enjoyment out of a Sonic Youth one but as i've said it'd be nice to depart from the indie canon

where's the harm?

too many at one time, predictable results, bit depressing seeing new answers topped by threads reinforcing ILM's indie-centricity (based on the bands that get this treatment first)

lex you never voted! still :( about that - would have loved to have seen you get involved

I've actually been hoping you wd do a Sonic Youth one, sd, but hopefully it would get less ballots than the hip hop poll

i just got too busy and then the deadline passed and then i couldn't face clicking on (1500 new answers)

xp

ILX goes through these phases of liking certain kinds of discourse WWAAAAAYYYY too much for a period and then forgetting all about it.

I mean, I certainly prefer these kinds of polls, which tend to keep to 2 maybe 3 threads, easily ignored, to that weird hockey league thing it went through a couple of years back where you couldn't even load new answers for the 200 threads about, like, what was the best kind of sandwich. :-/

what's wrong with letting people have fun the way they want? since when has ilm been "indie-centric"?

i still don't know the results of the hip-hop poll - obv i am assuming shawnna won

a lot of these artists you could pretty easily whittle down to a regular poll thread of their 50 most beloved songs without all the fanfare

the fanfare is all the fun - it's about the process, not the result, an excuse to get reacquainted with an old favourite that you might not have thought too much about recently, to share the craic with some like-minded people.

also complaining about a preponderance (hardly) of threads you have no interest in seems like the weakest first-world problem imaginable (speaking as someone who thought the plethora of rolling metal threads was RIDICULOUS)

why are people surprised that a poll that required a knowledge of like 100 songs got more votes than a poll for an entire genre. I wouldn't be shocked if the Pavement poll would have more votes than an ALL-TIME INDIE ROCK poll, which sounds like a more frustrating list to compile

I partially didn't vote in the hip-hop poll because I didn't have time, but a large proportion of it was that I felt like my choices would be belittled and my voice dismissed by the group of regulars who dominate that genre on this board. So I'm not that surprised that the Pavement poll was more popular. Didn't vote in that one either, mind you, but I'm not a fan of the single-artist old-style polls.

I can't satisfactorily explain why but the possibility that people might sit down to vote on the entire recorded output of the Boo Radleys fills me with despair, dread, horror

I would totally take part and or be interested in:
The Beatles
The Cure
Miles Davis
Neil Young
The Rolling Stones
Sonic Youth
Steely Dan
The Velvet Underground
Wu Tang Clan

I love Guided by Voices, but I think that would be a pretty much pointless exercise.

and the point to the others?

you couldn't even load new answers for the 200 threads about, like, what was the best kind of sandwich. :-/

I apologize for nothing.

the thing is to take part in this kind of exhaustive poll, you really need to know the ins and outs of an act's catalogue pretty well - which rules me out of most older "canon" acts bar a joni here or madonna there. i'd totally be up for björk (and would think there's definitely enough love for that to be viable) or tori amos (to whom ilm has pretty much been entirely resistent, bafflingly - surely the only artist for whom the tim finney stamp of approval has failed to work - we did album polls for her and garnered like 6 voters in each :( )

what is the best sandwich? did we ever find out?

POLL!

worst track polls for all would be more in ILM's spirit lol

I can't satisfactorily explain why but the possibility that people might sit down to vote on the entire recorded output of the Boo Radleys fills me with despair, dread, horror

― Letsby Avenue (Tom D.), Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think the despair, dread, horror requires no explanation. i thought that was a joke to begin with :/

hey before the flood can we make a rule that only one of these can go on at once

― iatee, Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:04 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

no!

they can be done in like, two days, apparently

I can't satisfactorily explain why but the possibility that people might sit down to vote on the entire recorded output of the Boo Radleys fills me with despair, dread, horror

― Letsby Avenue (Tom D.), Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think the despair, dread, horror requires no explanation. i thought that was a joke to begin with :/

― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:17 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh the humanity! won't someone think of the children?

i still don't know the results of the hip-hop poll - obv i am assuming shawnna won

I can send you a quick message lex if you'd like to know what the top 100s ended up...my impression is the hip hop tracks poll ended up being one ILM's better polls. but no shawnna :(

Yeah, C'mon Kids!

(xpost TIMING!)

my impression is the hip hop tracks poll ended up being one ILM's better polls

eh not really

why are people surprised that a poll that required a knowledge of like 100 songs got more votes than a poll for an entire genre. I wouldn't be shocked if the Pavement poll would have more votes than an ALL-TIME INDIE ROCK poll, which sounds like a more frustrating list to compile

― da croupier, Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:13 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

because a) nobody needs a comprehensive knowledge of a genre to have favorite songs from that genre and b) c'mon everybody has favorite rap songs, even gier.

yes, god forbid people might like to discuss artists other people don't care for.

are the naysayers aware that 50 or so people thoroughly enjoyed the Pavement poll, many saying that it had reignited their passion for the band and their music?

lex check yr fb, i sent you the hiphop poll winners

I dunno. Lex's point about having to know the whole work of an artist is pretty salient. There are bands I like but simply don't know in depth enough to vote. (Thinking about Bjork and PJ there - I know certain periods really well and the rest is a blank so I wouldn't want to bias a poll.)

"Would care enough to vote" is thin enough considering I couldn't even get excited enough to vote in the Blur poll, and that was a band I was obsessed with for many years... Care enough to run, would be, oh, let's see, probably only Aphex Twin and I wouldn't do that because I can't stand the majority of Aphex Twin fans enough to want them to have my email address. Ha!

Yeah, and I'm unbothered by Pave, (I like "Box elder", it's not considered the best one etc) but if you guys enjoyed it, well good!

Pavewank. I just wanted to say that. PAVEWANK.

hey most of us who'd be enthusiastic about a Prince poll sure as hell don't own every Prince album (although i'd definitely be taking tips from the obsessives who can recommend the good stuff from his later periods)

we have this discussion all the time. we had it when poll threads got introduced, we had it when list threads started getting popular. stop fretting - it's a little craze, it lets those interested have fun, it's hopefully not offending anyone and if you don't like it, don't bother with it.

I'm in the category of people who'd have liked to have got involved in the hiphop poll, but for reasons of dilletantism, felt a bit reluctant. Wish I had now.

why are people surprised that a poll that required a knowledge of like 100 songs got more votes than a poll for an entire genre. I wouldn't be shocked if the Pavement poll would have more votes than an ALL-TIME INDIE ROCK poll, which sounds like a more frustrating list to compile

― da croupier, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:13 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

apart from the EOY one I basically never vote in polls here that ask me to sit down and compile a list, but yes this seems totally obvious to me

Actually, the results thread was the most entertaining thing about the Blur poll.

If you don't know all the PJHarv/Bjork, then the stuff that ends up in the final poll that you don't know, is going to get some praise and recommendation which could lead to those who don't know the particular track, seeking it out.

mm?

since when has ilm been "indie-centric"?

since always. that isn't a bad thing or a big deal per se and ILM is probably broader than most places. it is the natural effect of ILM based on how it came about and the people it's mostly made up of. i think it has moved away from that more over ten years tho so 90s Indie Band tracks polls do feel like a throwback (plus i figured they wouldn't actually get much interest so it just seemed like pointless cluttering but i could be wrong re turnout).

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lol, zilch for the Stones

i feel vindicated

I'll start a Stevie Wonder poll regardless of these results.

Some year.

Richard Thompson

or Sandy Denny. Her oeuvre is a sprawling mess filled with side projects, appearances on others' records, one-shot bands, incomplete works, etc., and that's before we even get to her scopious role in Fairport Convention's heyday. Which of course makes for a great ballot poll.

Yardbirds, anyone? Not around for long, but as with the recently-polled Beach Boys alot of their best stuff is obscurities unknown to casual fans. Also, there have been about 25 different best-of compilations and not one is all-inclusive or well chosen IMO.

Ke$ha i think

i think a yardbirds one would be great

Sisqo poll would own all polls for life

^^^ OTM Sisqo poll now IMO

that would be kind of funny, when "Thong Song" got all the votes and everything else got bageled

#1 Wild Wild West

like I said

Really surprised Jimi Hendrix's name hasn't come up on this or the order/timing thread.

well, if people thought even Zep had almost too small a catalog to poll...

we need Madonna and Roxy Music in that there poll.

Pulling together all the posthumously released stuff, Hendrix's catalog gets a lot bigger, but yeah, point taken. Still, it would be interesting to see what the top 10 or 15 looked like.

the Madonna poll is cursed. don't even speak of it.

it really will be kind of momentous and cathartic whenever it finally happens

surely there's been a stones poll already

Not a ballot poll. These things are a fairly recent development on ILM iirc.