bill pullman is in the new series. i hope he doesn't have sex with anybody.
― remy bean, Friday, 3 June 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
it's RTD, Bill Pullman is likely to have sex with everybody
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Friday, 3 June 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
Rusty has already said Nu Torchwood will have more sex, gay sex, sex and explosions/ridic car chases than the BBC ever let him have. He also has a helicopter (presumably this will pan out the same way as JNT spunking away the budget of Battlefield).
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Friday, 3 June 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
I am bracing myself for a scene where Gwen stops chasing a monster so she can strap on a dildo and peg Rhys
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Friday, 3 June 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't you watch Series 2? That was hinted at in the wedding episode iirc.
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Friday, 3 June 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit, are these books canonical + like approved by the estate?
the... Who family estate?
― all cats are gay (sic), Friday, 3 June 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
I vaguely remember that...?
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Friday, 3 June 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
Alium posing as Cuntstubble Gappy's mum as I remember it. Long discussion in a Mexican standoff about them all shagging.
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Friday, 3 June 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
In TV the director's not the boss, the producers are. There's a number of reasons for that but the main one is that Dr Who needs to look and feel like Dr Who, just like ER needs to look and feel like ER. There's precious little room for putting any sort of individual stamp on the acting, the camera movement, the lighting, etc. So the only differences from week to week are going to be in the scripts.
― Alba, Friday, 3 June 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Stanley Kubrick's DOCTOR WHO
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Friday, 3 June 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
Is he?
― Tim, Friday, 3 June 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
WOULD WATCH
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Friday, 3 June 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
a pivotal subplot involves an HIV-positive gay man lusting after the Doctor's male companion, who before this book had been described as a relentlessly upbeat former cop from the 30th century who was relentlessly, deadly serious about his procedural work, but for some reason in this book decided to fuck the HIV-positive man in the middle of a stakeout
oh god I think I had managed to cut that out of my memories somehow. Cheers for the summary. My god.
― Ernold Sock (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
In fact I'm pretty sure that that scene was the moment when I went from being intrigued by Davies's take on DW (I read it in 2003 or something) to just thoroughly wtf
― Ernold Sock (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Doctor Who New Series 2005 (spoilers ahoy) <-- evidence of me liking this book and making allowances for RTD, sigh
― Ernold Sock (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
I know! I was basically all "... o_O uh waht"
Even better was reading rec.arts.drwho at the time; Kate Orman (co-plotter of that book) and her soon-to-be-husband Jon Blum were regular posters and were very keen on slapping the homophobe tag on everyone who objected to Rusty's... interesting, and not backed up by any other author before or after him, take on Chris Cwej. I think I even got into it with them or their acolytes, under the reasonable-to-me argument that Chris having a gay encounter wasn't a problem, but him having a gay encounter in the middle of a stakeout was so painfully out-of-character that there was no way to read the scene other than to think Rusty really, really, really wanted to blow a fictional blonde future Adonis, and the "justifying" coda was in actuality horrifyingly tacky and awful.
Actually perusing back through the archives, I had an overall positive impression of the book at the time even though I objected to the irrational out-of-character sexcapades, which kind of reinforces my post upthread re: forgetting everything I actually liked about the book, lol.
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I distinctly remember enjoying the book (probably giving space to the new showrunner at the time tbh), but now that you've mentioned that stakeout it has come flooding back to me in sharp relief. I never read much Cwej so the out-of-character behaviour didn't jar for me nearly as much as the fact of the scene itself.
― Ernold Sock (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
I mean you get used to seeing McCoy getting about in question marks and standing off against giant liquorice all-sorts, and then suddenly his mate's gobbing it in a cab.
― Ernold Sock (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
Cwej as introduced and in pretty much every book up to that point was the quintessential "good cop"; almost always cheerful, tendency towards optimism, laid back and fun when off the clock and really, really focused on his job when on the clock with a staggering level of proficiency. He was supposed to be a perfect foil to his older, wearier partner Roz, who had just as strong of a justice streak but was MUCH more cynical and way more likely to presume guilt. It would have totally been within Roz's character to get fed up with a stakeout and do something else (likely not sexual, but more along the lines of say breaking into wherever they were staking out to look for clues) but Cwej was, until that scene, way more of the "these are my orders and I am politely carrying them out; sorry for the inconvenience" type.
xp: lolololol
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
(Benny, Chris and Roz are one of my favorite TARDIS crews of all-time)
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
A bit of me cheers every time new Who does something to fuck up incorporating the books into canon, ans all but one of my attempts to read them has been frustrated by the fan-wanking continuity crap, feeble prose, and the writers determiantion to make every event and every companion from the books SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than anything that ever happened on TV
The only good book I finished was the one, title now forgotten, written from the POVs of Alan Turing, Graham Greene and Joseph Heller
― I knew that the Russian people mercilessly ograblyali ograblyay (James Morrison), Saturday, 4 June 2011 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
AS all but one, I mean
― I knew that the Russian people mercilessly ograblyali ograblyay (James Morrison), Saturday, 4 June 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
that was a BBC book by Paul Leonard, The Turing Test
IMO the best writers they had were Lawrence Miles, Jonathan Morris and Ben Aaronovitch
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Saturday, 4 June 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
Loooooove The Tomorrow Windows.
― It's not like we could go to Islam (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 June 2011 08:21 (twelve years ago) link
The first half hour felt like the days of Rusty throwing ideas together while wanking hoping everyone agreed with how great he is. The last 20 were OK, but River Reveal was decidedly average. The only great bit imo was "fool you twice with the same trick".
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Saturday, 4 June 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
We mentioned the Rustyesque feel too. Still not quite sure how River can be Amy's daughter when she died before Smith and Amy even came into existence.
― ailsa, Saturday, 4 June 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
And we sussed Melody = River quite early on, but surely would be Song River?
― ailsa, Saturday, 4 June 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
Let's Kill Hitler?
― Gukbe, Saturday, 4 June 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, it sort of makes sense that River keeps in with this doctor what with him zipping around with her mum and all. Doctor + River flowchart needs an update now.
― ailsa, Saturday, 4 June 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
reveal was too predictable in the end but didn't quite get why
a) river didn't take part in the battleb) why this secret had to be kept until this particular point anyway
it really did feel ghost-written by RTD. the sontaran had the best lines anyway.
― blueski, Saturday, 4 June 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Ptime Pterodactyls from Father's Day, innit.
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Saturday, 4 June 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
River can never meet Tiem Babby or they will start killing random people.
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Saturday, 4 June 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
But didn't River meet Time Baby when she's in the astronaut outfit? Or I guess she didn't know who she was in that case...See what you mean about the Rusty thing up to a point, but it was much better done. LOLed at the Stevie Wonder gag too...
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Saturday, 4 June 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
I sometimes enjoy being an idiot who doesn't twig the most obvious and telegraphed reveals until they are revealed. i would hate to miss out on that suspense and surprise.
ah the gamma forest people just do names the other way round. btw is gamma forest a thing from previous ep or just made up for this? his pretending to remember lorna when she was dying, with "didn't we run?", yeah that was good.
― England's banh mi army (ledge), Saturday, 4 June 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
The River Song reveal seems to give away a lot. Presumably River is in the space suit and she kills the 'Best Man She Ever Knew'. But it's the Flesh Doctor she kills. But perhaps that's a deliberate misdirect? Afterall, surely a Flesh Doctor would turn to gloop, unless he stabilises himself in the Tardis. I'm wondering if killing the Doctor is something to do with bringing him back down to size, making him humble and wise again, rather than some feared superhero? But why go through this elaborate rigmarole to kill off one version of the Doctor? Gamma Forest seems to be new, but it's probably not the last we've heard of it. Perhaps we'll meet Lorna Bucket again? Compelling episode, but like all of Moffat's episodes this season, there wasn't much of a self-contained story, just the resolution of certain story arc elements along with some set pieces. Also, what happened to the space pirates etc etc - did they get killed by the Headless Monks? Or did they just turn up for the ambush and bugger off once the mission was accomplished? Cramming too much in to one episode so that characters are just forgotten about?
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Saturday, 4 June 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
So is River in jail for killing the Doctor when she was a little astronaut girl?hoping for a spinoff series about Lesbolizard and her trusty sidekick maid fighting crime in Victorian England.(now there's a sentence i never thought i'd type.)
― zappi, Saturday, 4 June 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
Gamma Forest and the Forest in the Weeping Angels two-parter in the last season? Omega soldiers from that episode. Means the Weeping Angels are the big bad somehow? Also interesting that the Doctor doesn't know who Lorna Bucket is. Is it another version of the Doctor she meets? Would seem that there are two Doctors knocking about. One has to die because he's gotten too messianic?
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Saturday, 4 June 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
A poster on the Graun blog:
"Ah well - a war in heaven (it is specifically mentioned that the Gamma forests are "heaven neutral"). I'm delighted to see that Moffat is having a Milton's Paradise Lost moment. I think Madame Kovarian is probably working for the TimeLords)."
A Philip Pullman moment too! A big war based around a child... River Song is Lyra...
― Count Palmiro Vicarion (Stew), Saturday, 4 June 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
Still not quite sure how River can be Amy's daughter when she died before Smith and Amy even came into existence.
― ailsa, Sunday, 5 June 2011 04:38 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wibblywobblytimeywimey
― It's not like we could go to Islam (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 June 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
any chance of a moratorium on that?
― blueski, Saturday, 4 June 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I've thought about it and come to the conclusion I am basically a moron.
Could the best man River ever knew be her dad? Rory surely due another death, and there's been tons of misdirects where we think someone's talking about the doctor, but it's really Rory.
― ailsa, Saturday, 4 June 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
― blueski, Sunday, 5 June 2011 09:57 (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
um it explains how River can be Amy's daughter when she died before Smith and Amy even came into existence
― It's not like we could go to Islam (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 5 June 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
(the point I am making is that wibbly etc is a rather annoying get-out-of-gaol free card)
― It's not like we could go to Islam (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 5 June 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
― ailsa, Sunday, 5 June 2011 09:58 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
oooh, interesting.
btw I really hope this was planned all along and isn't just Moffat laying random plot strands and then trying to fit them all together retroactively nu-BSG style.
― It's not like we could go to Islam (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 5 June 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
hoping for a spinoff series about Lesbolizard and her trusty sidekick maid fighting crime in Victorian England.
Yes! That was really the best part.
― Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Sunday, 5 June 2011 05:39 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, I enjoyed that so much. Loved gaslit lesbian lady Silurian crimefighter, loved lactating Sontaran nurse, loved arse-kicking Roman Rory, laughed at loud at 'Let's Kill Hitler". Now the hard bit will be waiting at least 3 months. If I die before I see how this all pans out I will be very annoyed.
How is people meeting out of order in a time travel show an annoying get-out-of-gaol free card though?
― I knew that the Russian people mercilessly ograblyali ograblyay (James Morrison), Sunday, 5 June 2011 06:09 (twelve years ago) link
It's in danger of being the answer to everything that doesn't work or make sense, that's all.
btw I forgot to register my response on the internet. I really really liked this episode, right to the very end. Soooo much going on though.
― It's not like we could go to Islam (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 5 June 2011 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
I think this series may be where "timey-wimey" takes over to the point where people who aren't me start wishing teh Moff was as clever as he thinks he is.
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Saturday, 23 April 2011 17:59 (1 month ago)
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Sunday, 5 June 2011 08:23 (twelve years ago) link
https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/browse_thread/thread/7cd734f99a62ae98/c845f05e9b213df9
I guess he's been waiting to use this idea for a while.
― Melissa W, Sunday, 5 June 2011 08:47 (twelve years ago) link
!!!!! far out
― It's not like we could go to Islam (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 5 June 2011 09:10 (twelve years ago) link