"... His band are currently touring an abomination of an album called Giant Steps. It features all the predictable TSB Rock School dub and inept approximations of Miles Davis. In two years' time the Boo Radleys will do the unthinkable and make a record that is actually worse than Giant Steps. A record that even King Dunce Alan McGee will disown. The record is called Wake Up Boo: three words guaranteed to induce nausea and a cold sweat, followed by the kind of killing spree that will forever be preceeded by the phrase 'tragic events'."
He also intimates that the initial leg up they got in the music biz was down to the singer sharing a flat with an NME hack.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 3 June 2011 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Never knowingly heard anything by Luke Haines, but everything I've ever read about him strikes me as the smuggest cunt in British music history.
― broodje kroket (dog latin), Friday, 3 June 2011 13:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
It features all the predictable TSB Rock School dub and inept approximations of Miles Davis.
I mean, seriously, what a cunt.
― broodje kroket (dog latin), Friday, 3 June 2011 13:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
*shakes head*
... what a cunt...
― broodje kroket (dog latin), Friday, 3 June 2011 13:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm still cross.
― broodje kroket (dog latin), Friday, 3 June 2011 13:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, but on page x he's "It's very much what I thought then, not necessarily what I think now. Also, I bear no ill-will" etcet.
It's entertainment, dudes. His book, especially.
― Mark G, Friday, 3 June 2011 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
This band not really popular enough for such a poll? Have to tread carefully or it'll be the fuckin' Cardiacs next, you mark my words.
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Friday, 3 June 2011 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd no idea the Cardiacs even existed before lj started droning on about them here about a year ago. I'd assumed they were a minority interest taste from the days long after I ceased caring about such. I was amazed to see them cited in that Compleat Blur article linked upthread.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 3 June 2011 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
upthread = in the, uh, Blur thread
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 3 June 2011 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
obviously people can do what they want, it's a free board, etc. but it seems like having a big organized poll with e-mail ballots is only really necessitated by a really broad topic like a decade or a genre -- doing it for a band with maybe 100 songs or less seems unnecessary. you could easily do a poll thread with the 50 most likely options people would pick with much less effort and fanfare.
What's 'necessary' got to do with it? I don't think any post or any thread on ILX is 'necessary'. People would presumably do it because it's fun and interesting to them. The poll function on ILX (which only allows you to pick one option) is only suitable for certain kinds of questions (usually ones where people have a very limited range of possible answers). Giving 50-odd options in these polls is unwieldy and results in most options receiving no votes at all. Also, the gradual roll-out of poll results, waiting to see what's made the top ten, is far more enjoyable than all of the results being automatically generated at midnight (and often being ignored).
Also it could become really tedious to read ILM if there are loads of these organised band polls running at the same time
I'd agree to some extent, but it depends how you use ILM/ILX. Personally, I just bookmark anything I'm likely to be interested in and ignore 99% of threads. Maybe once a day I'll scan my eyes down the thread titles on the new answers page to see if there's anything there that I might want to read. So for me it would make no difference at all.
Also the more of these lists people run at any one time the thinner you spread the the number of people who can be arsed to vote in these things. It just feels kinda lame.
Yeah, I don't think it would be a good idea to have concurrent polls of groups with considerably overlapping fanbases as there's only so much attention you can give these things.
But there's not really that many people here into the Boo Radleys I don't think.
That's probably the crucial factor - I doubt you'd find ten people who could summon up a best 22.
― Waking Suggs to make music to wake Suggs to (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 3 June 2011 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
necessary/unnecessary is admittedly pretty loaded terminology to introduce into a convo about message board threads, but i just mean we have a very quick and easy apparatus in place to conducting polls that have a narrow range of options -- just seems like overkill to do a whole manual e-mail ballot thing when that's traditionally been used only for really big polls with hundreds upon hundreds of nominated options out of thousands of possibilities. again, maybe i'm underestimating a Blur fan's desire to know what the 40th most popular Blur song is, but i don't know if that's something i'd feel a burning desire to know regarding my favorite bands.
again, people can do what they want, it's all good, but the only reason i'm speaking up is that copycat threads are pretty common on ILX -- everytime some novel type of thread or poll idea pops up relating to one artist or whatever, we often soon get a dozen similar threads about another artist (witness the sudden spread of "when did you get off the bus?" threads earlier this year). and for those of us who DO navigate the site via new answers those kinds of trends do get really annoying really fast, although whether that annoyance is justified or a good argument against them is up for debate.
― a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Friday, 3 June 2011 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
the real solution is an i love boo radleys board imo, maybe call it My Boo Radleys
― hippy borthday, free wings for u (Matt P), Friday, 3 June 2011 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
I can sympathise with hating too many copycat threads, but if that happens it'll kill the idea pretty quick so I hope it doesn't. There should probably only be one write-in on at any time is my feeling. But these are pretty tight little affairs - this was what, three weeks beginning to end - so it's hardly clogging up the board with rolling moms etc. And yes, popular bands is better than unpopular, but I'm hardly going to hang around a Stereolab one so I can't say I mind really.
The Blur one was great fun though and a nice addition to the board's armoury, so I'd certainly think there's room for three or four similar things a year, say.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 3 June 2011 21:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
"rolling moms" is gonna be the name of my next band.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 3 June 2011 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
I am sort of a Boo Radleys fan (well, at least their most poppy material), but I feel like those organized polls should be limited. The poll option here is better fit for smaller acts, and let the organized polls take care of somewhat bigger names or maybe preferrably genres or eras.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Friday, 3 June 2011 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 5 June 2011 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
(including their last single that they didn't put out?)
― Mark G, Friday, June 3, 2011
no, i never was able to get my hands on that.
i do have a CDR of The Boo-Sides Collection which takes care of all those songs.
― Bee OK, Monday, 6 June 2011 04:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
totally down for this btw
― buhlogna mindstate (Pillbox), Monday, 6 June 2011 04:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 6 June 2011 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
hahaha... i don't even know what this means.
― The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
it means 13 people would vote and therefore it's not worth doing
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Monday, 6 June 2011 23:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah...
Maybe do a/the albums first or something..
― Mark G, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 06:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
I ran a Boos album poll at some point in the past (just a regular ILM poll, no email).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 06:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
found it ILM POLL: Say there, what about Boo Radleys?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 06:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well, I meant the "tracks off Giant Steps" or "C'mon kids" etc. Or even "Kingsize", that'd get around 4 votes...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 06:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
o i c
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 06:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've honestly been trying to think of another band besides Pavement and Blur who has a wide array of non-album tracks and quite a few albums and, most importantly, has a bunch of fans on ILM with very strong opinions. Sonic Youth came to mind immediately. Pulp did too, but I've never seen a whole lot of actual division in Pulp opinion. Guided By Voices could be fun, but I don't think they'd inspire a good turn-out (or the voting would be impossible).
And then there are juggernauts like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones who would just be kind of boring. The Kinks on the other hand...hmmm.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 06:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Aphex?
― The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 07:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
total duh moments I just had...
The Fall! I'm not personally well-versed enough in The Fall's legacy to competently vote, but I'd love to see the results.
Prince! and Prince proteges! This could fun for a variety of reasons, but "Purple Rain" would probably win (maybe?).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 07:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well, Blur has:1) A large but not massive discography2) four (or five) different musical 'sides' that have their supporters3) a minimum of consensus regarding their 'best' tracks4) a few hidden gems for the afficionados to big-up.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 08:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd want bands who:
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
A Bowie poll would be awesome.
― immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Pulp, The Fall, Pavement not cutting it for me I'm afraid.
i dunno, i think such polls would work just fine with less massive acts, so long as they have healthy catalogs and plenty of dedicated ILM fans. the likes of pavement, the fall and sonic youth make ideal candidates in this sense.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, not saying don't do it, just that it wouldn't be for me. We ought to keep them occasional though.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Pavement is definitely a boutique choice, but like I said before I chose them because of how spirited the participants of this type poll would be with them as the band in question.
All of your suggestions are good ones, and I'd feel comfortable and knowledgeable (enough) voting in each one of them (except maybe solo Sting and solo Phil Collins, because I dropped out long ago).
This is very much true. I'd rank it only behind Prince in the polls I'd like to see done.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Technically, the first one of these done was R.E.M., but it was organized a little differently. (If it was attempted before then, I don't know about it.)
R.E.M. was a really good subject imo. Wish I would've participated.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
As I said on the Blur poll, I'd be keen to see polls on Bowie, Kate Bush, St Etienne and the Pet Shop Boys. Prince would be a good 'un too but I think that may be a bit more predictable than the others.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Prince poll would probably feature very few tracks recorded after, say, 1993. So yeah. BUT, there's so much goodness that came before that (and also why I suggested incorporating proteges and/or songs he'd written for other acts).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
PSB would be great for a lot of people, I guess, but after Behavior it's all really hazy for me.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
(Has anyone mentioned Dylan? I'm not officially mentioning Dylan. I'm just asking if anyone has.)
;)
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Kate Bush, although an awesome act, probably qualifies less in terms of having different style periods. OK, basically I guess the first couple of albums were kind of different, but otherwise, Kate Bush has been pretty much typically Kate Bush all along, with no style changes, but always very unique and unlike all other acts.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
but always very unique and unlike all other acts
Until she became the influence du jour about five years ago, I guess.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 09:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
For PSB, I'd also include the handful of productions they did, Dusty/Liza Minelli/Eight Wonder/Cicero, even god forbid Ian Wright if you're a masochist.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh I remember that:
"You're out of your mind!! by eating stringnana na nah, do the right thing.."
― Mark G, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
Bowie
― The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
....wow!
so we are doing this right?
13 plus people is more than enough to run something like this.
plus, i would think people would like being turned on to the best band of the 90's stuff!
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I'd love a Bowie one too.
― ◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝ (Moka), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Let's wait until the Pavement and hiphop polls close and then assess whether it's worth doing. 13 people ain't bad, and we may get a couple more ballots. If people don't wanna get involved it's no biggie.
― The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Maybe make it less than 22 for the Booz
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah.
― The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Might as well put this here:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/cardiffonline/cardiff-news/2011/06/08/thousands-witness-welsh-couple-s-live-twitter-birth-91466-28839416/
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
haha, yeah i was following that. Carr's commentary was jokes - more about beer and TV than the actual birth, but I'm sure he was being tongue in cheek.
― The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
He didn't call his kid "Sailor" though, surely??
― The Boy Who Can Go Inside The TV (dog latin), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
I had pics of Amber and Alice both up within the day of their births, for interested family members..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
Xpost No, he called her Little Sailor.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Boos have been creeping into my conscious lately - maybe because my g/f is upping sticks to study in Peterborough and a lot of Carr's songs were about having to move around the country cos of his relationship at the time.
I dreamt I saw a reformed Boo Radleys play at a festival. They asked me to join them on back-up for Lazarus, for which the crowd went wild. But then they played Almost Nearly There (an acoustic b-side number) and the crowd left the tent with the soundman turning the set down halfway through the song. Such a shame! I remember feeling quite disappointed about this.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
So in the absence of a poll, can we talk about favourite tracks, deep cuts, b-sides again?
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:01 (1 year ago) Permalink