Henry Cow C/D and S/D

Cutler's response was actually written a few years ago in response to filesharing and repurposed as a response to Kenny's column but it's still a live topic

"As Cutler notes, plumbers do not work for free. But capitalism is not the end of history and perhaps one day plumbers will work for free"

this struck me as a slightly patronizing tone to take towards the individual who wrote the lyrics for "In Praise Of Learning" & "The World As It Is Today" but the Internet means that the conversation usually gotten started before a round of formal introductions. I agree that RoR's (ha ha) idealism is kind of charming but Cutler's been living in the real world for a few decades

as the owner who started what I basically consider to be the most important independent art music label of the 80's and early 90's, Cutler gets to hardline his points -- I learned the canon of most of what I consider to be important through Recommended Records' catalog during that time, and there was no one -- no one else keeping this music in print at that time.

is there really not a RIO thread?

Posting here then: http://www.indiegogo.com/RomanticWarriors?c=home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVxon0Dd2Rg

Anyone interested in Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Samla, Magma...basically any experimental prog, needs to watch this and contribute to this documentary. They have all the major players, and the story needs to be told, and out there for all to see.

Listening to Unrest now for the first time. I think I understand how this is In Opposition; quite clearly, in fact. The very hills, the hedges, the birds, they are all rising to face the oppressor. Ancient, paganistic squalls of defiance; beauty and savage horror.

feels like a plausible alternative soundtrack to Watership Down

RIP Lindsay Cooper, she had been unwell with MS for some years and apparently died today.

time to listen to Angel On The Bridge then

Oh nooooo that sucks! I love her playing on Art Bears and that David Thomas record so much!

oh shit, that's sad news

RIP. First time I encountered her playing would've been on Children of God by Swans, still one of my all-time fave albs.

Never made the connection back in '87 when Children of God came out. It was only when I was comparing that record with the first Comus album on ilx that Marcello pointed out to me that *she played with both bands*!

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=95270

RIP Lindsay

Shit. RIP.

Had an email about this when I got up, not the best way to start off the day.

Amazing musician, by all accounts a great human being. RIP.

Some live Cow in homage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfpq11-sRVQ

http://alanb.org/ImperfectFifths/fred-friths-gravity-2013-09-20-roulette-nyc-1st-installment-terrain-for-lindsay-cooper/
http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2013/09/lindsay-cooper-1951-2013.html

http://www.nouse.co.uk/wp-content/article_images/body/2010/11/comus.jpg

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/unrest/a_discography_of_lindsay_cooper/
...had no idea she was on so much.

thanks for those links! sounds like a good show and a great way to mark her passing. wasn't previously aware of lindsay's friendship with sally potter

One-off Cow reunion in memory of Lindsay Cooper just announced:

http://www.serious.org.uk/events/info/henry-cow-music-for-films-news-from-babel-and-oh-moscow-play-the-music-of-l

been really broke recently so i haven't been able to get a ticket for the barbican thing yet, but i am seeing the artaud beats at a little local festival tomorrow and i'm pretty excited about that. just watched a few videos and fuck, yumi is a monster

Funny, I thought this reunion would have sparked more ILM interest. Anyway, there are now two further concerts, Huddersfield on 22 Nov and Forlì, Italy on 23 Nov.

Cutler talks about Lindsay Cooper and the reunion:

http://www.cloudsandclocks.net/interviews/CC_LC_interview.html

I am very interested, and very frustrated to have no chance in hell of seeing these. I'm psyched to read that interview-- there's not that much talk about Lindsay Cooper online.

Just finished listening to to Western Culture and so also finished the studio box set. Desperate Straights was my favourite by far but it seemed to be far more of a Slapp Happy album than a Henry Cow one.
I enjoyed the rest but never really loved them, might have to return to them in years ahead. I did particularly like "Beautiful As The Moon", "Half The Sky" and "Nine Funerals Of The Citizen King". Love Dagmar Krause's voice.

Definitely want to get the Art Bears album.

I once saw Cutler saying that Henry Cow was way more of a live band. Does that mean the live albums are better? I don't think I could go for the two live box sets. Too much.

"concerts" is pretty essential

Thanks, that was quick.

Arts Bears albumS I should have said above in the middle paragraph.

There's some live HC (maybe SH/HC because Dagmar sings) youtubes that are very good. Search for the ones recorded at a place called Veysey (or Vesey, I think) in Switzerland (or is it France?). It's probably a good hour in total, and includes the "Beautiful as the Moon, Terrible as an Army With Banners" piece from Concerts.

Art bears in perpetual deadlock with Crimson for my favorite prog band of all time

Vevey, Switzerland. (couldn't do this at work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfpq11-sRVQ

And I see it was linked above last year (couldn't see that at work either).

The dvd of Vevey was in the Live box set. I haven't heard if any of that box was available separately since, apart from the first disc if you payed on the instalment plan. So even that option may be gone now.
Would think they might make more money by having discs available separately especially the dvd which is pretty Recommended, as are the rest of These

Yeah, I'd buy the DVD for sure. Maybe I'll find a box used somewhere.

I highly recommend the two live Henry Cow boxed sets (40th anniversary) - if you are thinking of splurging, do it. (Same with the Art Bears box.) Studio HC is great, but live HC is insanely awe-inspiring. Bob Drake did an *incredible* job on the sound for the boxes. On this page, Bob talks about the meticulous and painstaking work he did to get the absolute best mix of HC's cover of "We Did It Again": http://www.bordebasse.fr/henrycow/wavs/index.htm

"Somewhere along the way I noticed that the two versions I had of this song were actually two different recordings of the same performance. The one I'll call version 1 sounds like a portable cassette recording from the audience point of view close to the stage. It has a lot of audience reaction, a lot of guitar, thin-sounding drums and bass, and only a faint echo of the vocals. Version 2 sounds like a desk recording and has almost no guitar, but plenty of drums, bass, and vocals. (The sax isn't very present on either.) Once I noticed they were the same performance I thought I could combine them to get the best of both. The tricky thing was that the audience recording runs much faster than the desk recording, and I couldn't simply resample it to the same pitch/speed because it wasn't a consistent difference. You'd immediately hear the flanging effect as the two recordings drifted out of synch. This is always a problem when synching analog recordings so I wasn't surprised, but this was made extra difficult because of the extremely jittery speed of the cassette recording. So I chopped it (version 1) into very short segments of perhaps 1/4 to 1/2 second length, resampling each segment seperately and manually synching them with the desk recording. It took a while, was it worth it...I don't care, I just had to do it!"

OH YEAH - ReR is currently having a CD sale - free shipping to the USA as long as you buy at least four. CDs are each five British pounds, which is around $8. http://www.rermegacorp.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=RM&Screen=SPECIALOFFERS

Henry Cow's "Stockholm and Goteborg" is part of that sale, so there's a low-cost entry point to the 40th anniversary live boxes. Also, I see two Art Bears discs there.

I just splurged on that sale and got a ton of Bob Drake, Sun Ra, the two News from Babel discs (finally), Lindsay Cooper's "Rags/The Golddiggers," a bunch from The Work (Tim H.'s post-HC band), The Necks, etc. It is absolutely insane how much quality stuff is on that sale list.

nice piece by sally potter on lindsay cooper:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/20/lindsay-cooper-rebel-with-applause

henry cow reunion, tomorrow night

tim hodgkinson played a concert in SF last week and it was astoundingly good. one solo clarinet, one slide guitar + mixer & toys

Xpost awesome can't wait to read. There really isn't a lot of substantial stuff about her online.

rags is such a great piece of work, really need to seek out her later solo work too (see comments in the link for a certain very familiar name)

Really hoping for some high quality footage/recordings of the reunion show.

London has gone up on d1m3, I expect Huddersfield will go up too, judging by the comments.

Nice to hear but the "News From Babel" portion of the set really blows away the Henry Cow portion. It's kind of weird how Henry Cow specifically got canonized in a way the frequently superior post-Cow projects by various alumni didn't.

Henry Cow are just the best so I can't personally agree with that directly. I'd agree that it is kind of weird how News From Babel don't come up more; out of all the post-Cow projects where they really went all in on concise songwriting, Lindsay's tunes are so beautiful

http://avantmusicnews.com/2014/11/22/amn-reviews-henry-cow-and-others-play-the-music-of-lindsay-cooper-nov-21-2014-the-barbicon-london/

A nine-minute piece from one of the shows. I haven't listened to it yet but the fb poster describes it as "A very droney, cathartic piece in a precise, dirty, post-Weillian sort of way - love this stuff."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay-_QlnQ0Ew

That's 'England Descending' from Lindsay's 'Oh Moscow'.

xpost you mean you don't have both the remasters and the original early 90's ESD reissues with the remixes? get cracking

― Milton Parker, Friday, February 6, 2009 2:43 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sadly no, I just got the plebeian remasters box set with the bonus 3" CD instead. excuse me while I go harvest the potatoes for me lord.

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, February 6, 2009 2:50 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This just resulted in the longest, hardest laugh I've had all year. Thanks ILX

Nice version of "Little Red Riding Hood..." with Hodgkinson and Cutler, with Yumi Hara and others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M0u4JDrhRM&feature=youtu.be

? maybe just copy and paste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M0u4JDrhRM&feature=youtu.be

Oh well, just search for this: Little Red Riding Hood Hit the Road, THE WATTS + Canterbury Favourites

incoming...

Incredibly excited to dive into the page proofs for Ben Piekut’s massive “Henry Cow:
The World is a Problem,” to be published in September by @DukePress. pic.twitter.com/YAGuZvaxl3

— David Grubbs (@blackfaurest) April 12, 2019

Great to hear. Want to read an in depth history of them.

ben is the man for the job. it'll be interesting to see if it gets into the personal stuff. in the case of a band that lived their politics this intensely, it's never merely gossip, their lives were the work (perhaps I am being sentimental but this is still the only progressive band for me)

More on the book here from Cutler:

http://www.rermegacorp.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=COW+BOOK&Store_Code=RM