For what's worth, I think he's obviously right.
― Marco Damiani, Friday, 27 May 2011 09:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Kinda teasing fans there with the prospect of a reconstituted Cow
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Friday, 27 May 2011 11:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
He's not 'obviously right' at all. Some of the things he says are right, but certainly not all, and the conclusions he draws from some things do not necessarily follow.
This piece from Records on Ribs is a great contribution to the debate as far as I'm concerned: To Free or Not to Free. (Full disclosure: I do know them, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they say here - I just think it's a very well considered addition to the subject.)
― emil.y, Friday, 27 May 2011 11:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
"As Cutler notes, plumbers do not work for free. But capitalism is not the end of history and perhaps one day plumbers will work for free"
Thanks for the tip; while I can appreciate the effort put in the label, phrases like this are a bit puzzling, at least for me.
― Marco Damiani, Friday, 27 May 2011 13:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not sure if this is being patronising, but the 'end of history' thing is a reference to Fukuyama's book, in which he claims our state of Western capitalist democracy is indeed the end point of cultural evolution.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 May 2011 15:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
No problem - for what's worth, I find Fukuyama and his Hegelian mannerisms pretty simplistic too. Still the idea of a society based on "gift economies, common ownership and mutual aid" seems to me wishful thinking, at the same time beautiful and slightly terrifying.
― Marco Damiani, Friday, 27 May 2011 16:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cutler's response was actually written a few years ago in response to filesharing and repurposed as a response to Kenny's column but it's still a live topic
this struck me as a slightly patronizing tone to take towards the individual who wrote the lyrics for "In Praise Of Learning" & "The World As It Is Today" but the Internet means that the conversation usually gotten started before a round of formal introductions. I agree that RoR's (ha ha) idealism is kind of charming but Cutler's been living in the real world for a few decades
as the owner who started what I basically consider to be the most important independent art music label of the 80's and early 90's, Cutler gets to hardline his points -- I learned the canon of most of what I consider to be important through Recommended Records' catalog during that time, and there was no one -- no one else keeping this music in print at that time.
― Milton Parker, Friday, 27 May 2011 18:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
is there really not a RIO thread?
Posting here then: http://www.indiegogo.com/RomanticWarriors?c=home
Anyone interested in Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Samla, Magma...basically any experimental prog, needs to watch this and contribute to this documentary. They have all the major players, and the story needs to be told, and out there for all to see.
― Dominique, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
Listening to Unrest now for the first time. I think I understand how this is In Opposition; quite clearly, in fact. The very hills, the hedges, the birds, they are all rising to face the oppressor. Ancient, paganistic squalls of defiance; beauty and savage horror.
― imago, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
feels like a plausible alternative soundtrack to Watership Down
― imago, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
RIP Lindsay Cooper, she had been unwell with MS for some years and apparently died today.
― Addison Doug (Matt #2), Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
time to listen to Angel On The Bridge then
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 19 September 2013 01:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh nooooo that sucks! I love her playing on Art Bears and that David Thomas record so much!
― i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 19 September 2013 02:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh shit, that's sad news
― i'll be your mraz (NickB), Thursday, 19 September 2013 06:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
RIP. First time I encountered her playing would've been on Children of God by Swans, still one of my all-time fave albs.
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 19 September 2013 07:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Never made the connection back in '87 when Children of God came out. It was only when I was comparing that record with the first Comus album on ilx that Marcello pointed out to me that *she played with both bands*!
― i'll be your mraz (NickB), Thursday, 19 September 2013 08:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
― i'll be your mraz (NickB), Thursday, 19 September 2013 09:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 September 2013 12:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
― emil.y, Thursday, 19 September 2013 14:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Had an email about this when I got up, not the best way to start off the day.
Amazing musician, by all accounts a great human being. RIP.
Some live Cow in homage.
― alb indys, Thursday, 19 September 2013 14:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Friday, 27 September 2013 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/unrest/a_discography_of_lindsay_cooper/...had no idea she was on so much.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 28 September 2013 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
thanks for those links! sounds like a good show and a great way to mark her passing. wasn't previously aware of lindsay's friendship with sally potter
― i'll be your mraz (NickB), Saturday, 28 September 2013 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
One-off Cow reunion in memory of Lindsay Cooper just announced:
― goth colouring book (anagram), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 22:04 (7 months ago) Permalink
been really broke recently so i haven't been able to get a ticket for the barbican thing yet, but i am seeing the artaud beats at a little local festival tomorrow and i'm pretty excited about that. just watched a few videos and fuck, yumi is a monster
― john wahey (NickB), Friday, 12 September 2014 20:39 (4 months ago) Permalink
Funny, I thought this reunion would have sparked more ILM interest. Anyway, there are now two further concerts, Huddersfield on 22 Nov and Forlì, Italy on 23 Nov.
Cutler talks about Lindsay Cooper and the reunion:
― goth colouring book (anagram), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 13:09 (4 months ago) Permalink
I am very interested, and very frustrated to have no chance in hell of seeing these. I'm psyched to read that interview-- there's not that much talk about Lindsay Cooper online.
― von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:38 (4 months ago) Permalink
Just finished listening to to Western Culture and so also finished the studio box set. Desperate Straights was my favourite by far but it seemed to be far more of a Slapp Happy album than a Henry Cow one. I enjoyed the rest but never really loved them, might have to return to them in years ahead. I did particularly like "Beautiful As The Moon", "Half The Sky" and "Nine Funerals Of The Citizen King". Love Dagmar Krause's voice.
Definitely want to get the Art Bears album.
I once saw Cutler saying that Henry Cow was way more of a live band. Does that mean the live albums are better? I don't think I could go for the two live box sets. Too much.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 October 2014 23:21 (3 months ago) Permalink
"concerts" is pretty essential
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 10 October 2014 23:22 (3 months ago) Permalink
Thanks, that was quick.
Arts Bears albumS I should have said above in the middle paragraph.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 October 2014 23:25 (3 months ago) Permalink
There's some live HC (maybe SH/HC because Dagmar sings) youtubes that are very good. Search for the ones recorded at a place called Veysey (or Vesey, I think) in Switzerland (or is it France?). It's probably a good hour in total, and includes the "Beautiful as the Moon, Terrible as an Army With Banners" piece from Concerts.
― nickn, Saturday, 11 October 2014 00:28 (3 months ago) Permalink
Art bears in perpetual deadlock with Crimson for my favorite prog band of all time
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 11 October 2014 01:03 (3 months ago) Permalink
Vevey, Switzerland. (couldn't do this at work)
― nickn, Saturday, 11 October 2014 06:37 (3 months ago) Permalink
And I see it was linked above last year (couldn't see that at work either).
― nickn, Saturday, 11 October 2014 06:39 (3 months ago) Permalink
The dvd of Vevey was in the Live box set. I haven't heard if any of that box was available separately since, apart from the first disc if you payed on the instalment plan. So even that option may be gone now. Would think they might make more money by having discs available separately especially the dvd which is pretty Recommended, as are the rest of These
― Stevolende, Saturday, 11 October 2014 07:33 (3 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I'd buy the DVD for sure. Maybe I'll find a box used somewhere.
― nickn, Saturday, 11 October 2014 08:05 (3 months ago) Permalink
I highly recommend the two live Henry Cow boxed sets (40th anniversary) - if you are thinking of splurging, do it. (Same with the Art Bears box.) Studio HC is great, but live HC is insanely awe-inspiring. Bob Drake did an *incredible* job on the sound for the boxes. On this page, Bob talks about the meticulous and painstaking work he did to get the absolute best mix of HC's cover of "We Did It Again": http://www.bordebasse.fr/henrycow/wavs/index.htm
"Somewhere along the way I noticed that the two versions I had of this song were actually two different recordings of the same performance. The one I'll call version 1 sounds like a portable cassette recording from the audience point of view close to the stage. It has a lot of audience reaction, a lot of guitar, thin-sounding drums and bass, and only a faint echo of the vocals. Version 2 sounds like a desk recording and has almost no guitar, but plenty of drums, bass, and vocals. (The sax isn't very present on either.) Once I noticed they were the same performance I thought I could combine them to get the best of both. The tricky thing was that the audience recording runs much faster than the desk recording, and I couldn't simply resample it to the same pitch/speed because it wasn't a consistent difference. You'd immediately hear the flanging effect as the two recordings drifted out of synch. This is always a problem when synching analog recordings so I wasn't surprised, but this was made extra difficult because of the extremely jittery speed of the cassette recording. So I chopped it (version 1) into very short segments of perhaps 1/4 to 1/2 second length, resampling each segment seperately and manually synching them with the desk recording. It took a while, was it worth it...I don't care, I just had to do it!"
― ernestp, Saturday, 11 October 2014 16:43 (3 months ago) Permalink
OH YEAH - ReR is currently having a CD sale - free shipping to the USA as long as you buy at least four. CDs are each five British pounds, which is around $8. http://www.rermegacorp.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=RM&Screen=SPECIALOFFERS
Henry Cow's "Stockholm and Goteborg" is part of that sale, so there's a low-cost entry point to the 40th anniversary live boxes. Also, I see two Art Bears discs there.
I just splurged on that sale and got a ton of Bob Drake, Sun Ra, the two News from Babel discs (finally), Lindsay Cooper's "Rags/The Golddiggers," a bunch from The Work (Tim H.'s post-HC band), The Necks, etc. It is absolutely insane how much quality stuff is on that sale list.
― ernestp, Saturday, 11 October 2014 16:53 (3 months ago) Permalink
nice piece by sally potter on lindsay cooper:
― no lime tangier, Thursday, 20 November 2014 22:28 (2 months ago) Permalink
henry cow reunion, tomorrow night
tim hodgkinson played a concert in SF last week and it was astoundingly good. one solo clarinet, one slide guitar + mixer & toys
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 20 November 2014 23:05 (2 months ago) Permalink
Xpost awesome can't wait to read. There really isn't a lot of substantial stuff about her online.
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Friday, 21 November 2014 00:19 (2 months ago) Permalink
rags is such a great piece of work, really need to seek out her later solo work too (see comments in the link for a certain very familiar name)
― no lime tangier, Friday, 21 November 2014 01:32 (2 months ago) Permalink
Really hoping for some high quality footage/recordings of the reunion show.
― Brad Laner, Friday, 21 November 2014 01:41 (2 months ago) Permalink
London has gone up on d1m3, I expect Huddersfield will go up too, judging by the comments.
― Rita, Sue and Peter Gabriel Two (MaresNest), Monday, 24 November 2014 19:32 (2 months ago) Permalink
Nice to hear but the "News From Babel" portion of the set really blows away the Henry Cow portion. It's kind of weird how Henry Cow specifically got canonized in a way the frequently superior post-Cow projects by various alumni didn't.
― rushomancy, Monday, 24 November 2014 21:59 (2 months ago) Permalink
Henry Cow are just the best so I can't personally agree with that directly. I'd agree that it is kind of weird how News From Babel don't come up more; out of all the post-Cow projects where they really went all in on concise songwriting, Lindsay's tunes are so beautiful
― Milton Parker, Monday, 24 November 2014 22:24 (2 months ago) Permalink
A nine-minute piece from one of the shows. I haven't listened to it yet but the fb poster describes it as "A very droney, cathartic piece in a precise, dirty, post-Weillian sort of way - love this stuff."
― nickn, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 17:27 (2 months ago) Permalink
That's 'England Descending' from Lindsay's 'Oh Moscow'.
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 18:09 (2 months ago) Permalink