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One thing she's already given up: commercial tie-ins. To Adele, having your music in commercials in paramount to selling out.

"I think it's shameful when you sell out," she told the magazine. "It depends what kind of artist you wanna be but I don't want my name anywhere near another brand. I don't wanna be tainted or haunted."

interesting stance for someone whose current hot 100 #1 single had its initial boost up the sales charts fueled in no small part by film trailers and ads for tv shows

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

also i really fail to understand why it seems like so many people like her for not having a "typical popstar look" or whatever when it seems to me that, apart from being somewhat heavier but not notably so, in appearance she doesn't seem that atypical at all: she's extremely photogenic (i mean, the 21 album cover might be better than much of the music on the album), identifiable, easy to look at, etc. why is she painted as an anti-hero for her looks?

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 18:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

... Because she isn't skinny?

I mean, it's not really rocket science.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

is not being skinny that uncommon though

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Among pop stars???????? Is that a serious question?

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Also, she's not that photogenic either.

everything, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

sorry if this has already been said, but lex, the quote is ""My aim in life is never to be skinny," not ""My aim in life is to never be skinny"

love you like a frat kid loves Cake (Tape Store), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

uh...think her cherubic babyface is def a factor in her popularity and success tbh. note that her Q cover is a headshot (seem to recall the 'Chasing Pavements' video being particularly facially focussed also). she has a nice face but it can feel a bit (un-necessarily) heavy-handed/overcompensating at times.

blueski, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

I notice the preferred pose for her good photos is hiding her chin by looking over her shoulder or with a popped collar. She looks like shit on the cover or Rolling Stone.

everything, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

In the Q cover she's looking over her shoulder with a high collar AND there's a weird little sprig of hair that hides her chin.

everything, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

really? i don't think i've seen a photo of her (including the rs cover shot) and not been all "wow her face is stunningly striking"

and ok fine i guess my skinny question was very silly, sry bout that, i guess i asked because the whole "big-voiced slightly-large female" thing is not uncommon at all and for the majority of them we don't seem to bring up how unusual their weight is in terms of the entire pop landscap

teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

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teledyldonix, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

and ok fine i guess my skinny question was very silly, sry bout that, i guess i asked because the whole "big-voiced slightly-large female" thing is not uncommon at all and for the majority of them we don't seem to bring up how unusual their weight is in terms of the entire pop landscap

― teledyldonix, Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:39 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark

well, there are oldsters like Susan Boyle moving units on albums, and plenty of niche R&B stars with larger figures, but as far as young women with #1 pop singles, Adele is basically in the company of a bunch of skinny bitches

Señor Smang (some dude), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

to split the difference a little, it is a known (i won't say 'accepted') archetype for a singer tho, kind of an eternal return kind of a thing.

goole, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

Well yes, but it's not an archetype that usually rushes up the pop charts unless it's as an anonymous singer in the background while a skinnier, prettier woman lip-syncs in the video.

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

speaking of album covers, i'm glad she remembers herself cuz i didn't even know she had a new album out:

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

J Hud's been all over the media the last few months (more for touting her weight loss on talk shows and Weight Watchers ads than for her album having any big hits)

Señor Smang (some dude), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

i was just trying to think of non-skinny american pop people and i didn't even know about the new diet thing!

scott seward, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

An unhealthy lifestyle cast as a virtue (also, note the cigarette)

Lex, that is one of the most bizarre criticisms of a pop star I have ever read.

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

lex is just being ornery/contrary

again

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

its not always about rockism, sometimes ppl just get tired of fun vacuity

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love how that implies Adele is like Tolstoy or something.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

love how you inferred that

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

shit getting real in the adele thread.

Tim F, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

Love how shit's getting real in the adele thread

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

remy bean, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

she looks like she's got a touch of the downs

remy bean, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

looks like a gormless mike leigh character there

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

"I think it's shameful when you sell out," she told the magazine. "It depends what kind of artist you wanna be but I don't want my name anywhere near another brand. I don't wanna be tainted or haunted."

Perhaps only haunting is the ethereal, touching quality of her music; Adele recently sat down for a sessions performance with AOL Music, absolutely blowing away the room.

jaymc, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Pedantic

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

anyway i see nothing wrong with someone pointing out some of the crappier/most superficial/vacuous things dominating pop music in 2011. what lex likes and backs at all costs is ruling the roost, so adele IS something of an anomaly in mainstream pop terms and someone offering opposition to that is never a bad thing. obv she cant claim underdog status selling as much as she does, but she isnt not your typical pop star - and obv aware of it, perhaps too much, but hey, nothing wrong with some opposition in music, even if her stance is going to have a few holes in it, hello pedants, these are pop stars were talking about - which im cool with. be nice if the music was a bit less MOR tho.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I really have to hand it to Adele. I can't think of many other artists who seem equally beloved by teenage pop fans and older AAA listeners. Early prediction: "Rolling in the Deep" will be #1 on Pazz and Jop's 2011 singles.

jaymc, Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

anyway i see nothing wrong with someone pointing out some of the crappier/most superficial/vacuous things dominating pop music in 2011. what lex likes and backs at all costs is ruling the roost, so adele IS something of an anomaly in mainstream pop terms and someone offering opposition to that is never a bad thing.

Except you're not really doing anything except saying "mainstream pop is vacuous" without actually offering any examples, which is basically what people have been doing for as long as I can remember. I don't think you really understand what the Lex is saying given that, by and large, he wouldn't describe much of the music he likes as vacuous (afaik his favourite record this year is Let England Shake, so he certainly not backing "vacuous pop" against everything else).

In any case I'm not really sure there's much point further dissecting something Lex has already admitted was an off-the-cuff response to a JPG that was doing the rounds.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Early prediction: "Rolling in the Deep" will be #1 on Pazz and Jop's 2011 singles.

― jaymc, Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:03 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

i have a vague gut feeling that it won't be, but only in the sense that there's 7 months ahead for something else to give it competition, it's definitely a lock for top 3

gargle on my nuts (some dude), Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah number 3 feels right.

Tim F, Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, she was talking about chart pop, not a new argument for sure, but one thats not un valid right now, even if adele isnt being specific

i mean, popstars are often not that articulate in this sort of thing, even rappers ('rockist' on all sorts of levels, without wanting 'real instruments' or anything like that) arent always pinpoint specific when they criticise other artists, doesnt mean theres no truth to what theyre saying

ive not read lexs full post, just saying that great, he likes pj harvey, but the stuff i often see him defending to the death is not like let england shake, but i dont want to make this all about lex, so yeah, lets not go down that route

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm glad she remembers herself cuz i didn't even know she had a new album out

lol

teledyldonix, Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh BTW...

@maura
maura johnston
facepalm. MT @ToureX: Gaga & Adele are a very interesting pop culture dichotomy. A full on character vs authenticity.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't argue about the artifice of Gaga, surely that's the point. It's the authenticity of Adele that gets the eyeroll.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Makes me think - is the idea of authenticity now so degraded that applying it to anyone would get the eyeroll? I think it's always been problematic and it's got to the point where I never ever want to see it used without scare quotes. I think Adele's appeal could fairly be described as "authenticity" rather than authenticity.

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Why "authenticity", though? Why not "simplicity", since the essence of her performance ethos is "girl with big voice sings at u"?

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Are you asking me or Toure? I used "authenticity" because however unreal and misleading that concept is in mainstream pop, Adele is clearly satisfying a craving for the "genuine", "unadorned", "real", "organic", etc. I think a lot of that genuinely comes from her personality and music taste but there's an element of calculation in the presentation - the black-and-white sleeve, the choice of which influences to foreground. For example, she's a massive Mary J Blige and Lauryn Hill fan but you can't hear any hip hop in 21. Not that it's as shamelessly "authentic" as the first Joss Stone album.

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

you can hear R&B in there, its obv from her singing style, its just contained in more of a capital fm listenership-pleasing aesthetic. shes a much more... AUTHENTIC singer than joss stone in any case. much more natural/unoforced. even though i think shes still figuring out how to best control/use her voice.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 May 2011 08:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

her general pose re: authenticity/being ordinary etc tbh reminds me of plan b more than anyone else

lot of similarities

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 May 2011 08:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Really? Plan B plays on artifice - the whole Strickland Banks persona, the shifting genres. All they have in common is that they're white working-class Londoners - and both funny and candid - so maybe their personalities signify "authenticity".

We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Friday, 27 May 2011 08:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the whole 'no bullshit, i tell it like it is, i dont care about sugarcoating my opinion' thing is def a big common thing. and the whole MOR sound in spite of that 'tude is also something they share. there were some other things too but my minds preoccupied.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 May 2011 08:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only one who liked the first album better? At least judging from the songs that I've heard from the new one, they seem kind of over-arranged to me. I liked the more spare arrangements on _19_. Also "Chasing Pavements" > "Rolling in the Deep".

o. nate, Friday, 27 May 2011 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/29/adele-change-women-music-business

"XL's Richard Russell blames 'boring, crass and unoriginal' music on industry's over-sexualisation of female artists"

good thing we discussed all of this in advance of anyone saying it.

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Monday, 30 May 2011 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

'A success, in pop, is never just a success – it's always ready to be spun into a triumph for some wider force.'
says Tom Ewing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/jun/02/tom-ewing-adele-success?CMP=twt_gu

piscesx, Friday, 3 June 2011 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

i miss when novelty hits were novel

51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:58 (3 years ago) Permalink


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