Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Great episode - as stated above, properly sci-fi. it helped that it was a little less manic compared to all the recent ones and glad they allowed Rory the nurse to take over from Rory the doofy husband.

also I really like this season's glimpses on life in the tardis, like that bit in the beginning with Rory and Amy playing darts.

> Anyone know where it was filmed? was it a real castle?

Confidential seemed to suggest it was 3 or 4 different castles - outside of the one, corridors from another, crypt from another...

and all in wales iirc

Just wanted to say how annoying I find River Song. Very.

I didn't like the fact that they listen to Muse in the Tardis.

just puttin' that out there...

I just added it to the list of mythological allusions in the series.

Could barely get through ten minutes of this. Once the "yes, the gangers are alive and they're cross and oh, look, there's a douchey boss contradicting the doctor shocker. But he touched the stuff so there'll be doctor ganger along in a minute" tedium mounted I skipped to the ending and was not happy to find there's another chunk of this.

You all seem to like it, so should probably give it another go.

I liked it, and I've been sort of 'meh' about this whole season. Everything has felt a little madcap/slapdash/derring-do + convoluted for me so far, and the timey-wimey stuff isn't great at sustaining my long-term attention when it's not coupled with good monsters and compelling mystery. my patience, too, has grown a bit thin with the whole SM teasing reveals of broader mysteries that'll only come to fruition in the last episode (or two) – it's supposed to feel like delayed gratification, i suppose, but at this point it's a little unfun and taunting.

as said upthread, this had a tom baker feel that i loved

The thing I liked the most about this is that there isn't really a "villain" so far aside from the captain.

The thing I didn't like is how yet again they have a two-parter with a group of humans and a group of others interacting and it's the women who can't get along.

the silurians, pt 2? i think i /loved/ the first half of that two-parter last year, and felt totally betrayed by the second. here's to hoping...

I didn't really like it either, stet. You are not alone, as the Face of Boe said.

Could barely get through ten minutes of this. Once the "yes, the gangers are alive and they're cross and oh, look, there's a douchey boss contradicting the doctor shocker. But he touched the stuff so there'll be doctor ganger along in a minute" tedium mounted I skipped to the ending and was not happy to find there's another chunk of this.

Pretty much exactly my opinion. Any time there's a two-parter featuring uniformed workers in a dingy pit or something I'm guaranteed to lose interest, but as soon as the Doctor touched the cloning goop it was incredibly obvious that there'd be two Doctors. What did surprise me is that that foregone conclusion was chosen to be the cliffhanger. Also, mostly humourless.

btw I don't feel bad moaning about this episode, given that I loved the other four this year.

red leader cleared for moaning. mian away sir

mian? moan

thanks i will :) the clone goop was too similar to the Sontarans methods of same. presumably this was intentional (like that's the best way to do yer cloning) but an alternative approach would've been nice. so many 'since this before' type things going on in recent episodes tho so not that big a deal.

the slower pace was refreshing but at times it did feel too slow moving - something about the Doctor announcing he was going to get the TARDIS, then him getting there to see it had sunk before returning back...all felt a bit laboured. and yet another indeterminable pregancy scan - what's the point? why would the outcome be different? similarly, the constant glimpses of CyberBarber without further development wear thin quickly (just as the time crack stuff had started to before The Time Of Angels).

since?! seen

okay...moaning pad now closed for launch

If I can just quickly slip in boredom with and hatred of every single Sontarans story ever.

and yet another indeterminable pregancy scan - what's the point? why would the outcome be different?

That's enormously overdone. We don't need to see that in every single episode, we know it's happening, time babby blah blah just get on with it ffs.

On that, this morning at the tram stop a little girl who looked EXACTLY like the kid in the astronaut suit stared at me for ages. Just stood there and stared at me, completely expressionless, didn't blink once. Really really creepy.

You should have shot her, just to be safe.

oh man it's too late now.

btw Algerian Goalkeeper agrees with me re the Sontarans.

i quite liked The Poison Sky, in spite of it all

why would the outcome be different?

well it has to resolve sometime. at least this time he was kinda checking in the background while converstaion was going on, it wasn't a drastic closeup with soaring Gold

i meant more what made the Doctor think he might get a definite answer the third time, but maybe he's been doing elimination processes in the background, trying to see if the machine is broken &c

he knows something is super-wrong and weird, of course he's going to keep an eye on it

a bit like how they kept showing the crack last season, they're overdoing the amy is/isn't pregnant thing. and frances barber.

Yeah except where the crack could at least be mounted in new and interesting places the pregnant/not pregnant thing is always just the Doctor looking at that same bloody screen.

hopefully they leave the Doctor dead/quantum babby/eyepatch lady stuff alone for the next two eps if they don't relate to the mid-season cliffhanger.

looking forward to playing moffat bingo with the cliffhanger

- pregnant/not pregnant
- time babby
- rory misses the point of something
- "spoilers"
- timey-wimey
- something about hats

your moaning time was over hours ago, you realize :)

this is penalty time

>:(

- pregnant/not pregnant
- time babby
- rory misses the point of something
- "spoilers"
- timey-wimey
- something about hats

- Rory dies.

oh christ yes of course

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll84s4ZmKh1qafmk8o1_400.gif

See, aside from "spoilers" (which I believe I have raged against several times before in this thread) I think most of those things make for an amusing Who romp, and will not complain about their inevitability.

x-post, That is awesome funny. Poor old Rory.

- pregnant/not pregnant
- time babby
- rory misses the point of something
- "spoilers"
- timey-wimey
- something about hats

- Also somone will go into the Tardis and travel to another time
- Matt Smith will play a character called the Doctor

- space

Can it really be called "proper SF" when the plot is boilerplate "But they're ALIVE, DO YOU SEE" whosits?

(Though tbh, I think the biggest problem I had was not understanding the Scottish accents.)

psst not Scottish, Northern

Potato, potato.

pssst irish

quiet you

Can it really be called "proper SF" when the plot is boilerplate "But they're ALIVE, DO YOU SEE" whosits?

SF and well-worn boilerplate memes go hand-in-hand! But I just meant that it was a decent not *thoroughly* implausible premiss, with interesting and well thought out ramifications. More or less, y'know. As opposed to idk the UK escaping from solar flares on the back of a giant space whale.

i know i know it's a science fantasy show for kids, i'm cool with that. just nice to see it taken a turn for the serious every once in a while.

> As opposed to idk the UK escaping from solar flares on the back of a giant space whale.

it worked for pratchett...

(ok, that was turtles, turtles all the way down)

It also worked kind of for China Mieville.

I have recently started watching season 5 of nu-Who. It seems to have really leaped in quality since I gave up on it, with a new-found ability to adequately pace episodes marking an astonishing improvement on what had gone before. I also like the new Doctor and Amy's hair.