ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

xp: that certainly appeals to the basic

hey at the very least i know who tegan and sara are now! didn't before.

still haven't heard their music though.

xpost

polyphonic

minnesota, close enough to canada i guess :/

http://southwestminneapolis.patch.com/articles/senate-passes-anti-gay-marriage-ban-despite-dfl-opposition

Tyler's brand of misogyny and homophobia is just a joke to him (in my opinion), whereas Eminem (for example) seemed to have some serious issues with women and gays. Tyler is a glorified internet troll trying to get a rise out of people just for kicks, and trying to have a grown-up conversation about gender, sexuality, etc. concerning an artist who doesn't take things seriously is bound to come off as moralizing and humorless, even if the issues being raised are incredibly worthwhile. It's like getting upset that Gwar glorifies violence. Even if you're right, it makes you sound like you're not actually engaging with the art in question, its meaning, its style. Sara's blog post sounds like all she knows about Tyler is that there are offensive lyrics in there, much like when the Catholic League boycotts a movie they haven't even seen.

― polyphonic, Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:02 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is otm only in a very narrow sense -- yes it's pretty clear that Sara doesn't "get it" w/r/t to Tyler's meaning within rap or in relation to previous rap controversies (Em) etc, or the troll-y as opposed to honestly rage-ful nature of what he does (vs. an old-time rap boogeyman like professor griff or somebody)

but on the other hand, polyphonic, this misses the point entirely. why should you need to be grounded in all that shit? shakey called the act of speaking w/o that grounding borderline racist. that's nuts. is it all well and good to yell faggot a bunch of times in a song? is it or isn't it? what complaint could she have made at OF's support at growing fame, beyond a directly personal one? this shit about 'proper tactics' is just lame. i mean jesus.

still trying to get over listening to tune yard the other night on youtube. but i'll get to T&S soon.

I dunno, this was part of the discourse from the beginning, both on this thread and in the blog world, it's not like everybody ignored this aspect of what they were doing

xp to lex

second google result for odd future

On Odd Future, Rape and Murder, And Why We Sometimes Like the Things That Repel Us
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2010/11/on_odd_future_r.php

― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:46 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark

wonder exactly what it says about me that it is possible that I am less offended or irritated by the homophobia in that quoted couplet than I am by the fact that dude tried to rhyme "cupcakes" with "butt-rape"

good thing you haven't seen the lets make our own rap song thread wait

goole otm

"her offense at this person's purposefully offensive speech did not follow the correct rules of the game the offender set up. failure to recognize semi-ironic 'faggot', 5 yd penalty, repeat 2nd down."

but on the other hand, polyphonic, this misses the point entirely. why should you need to be grounded in all that shit? shakey called the act of speaking w/o that grounding borderline racist. that's nuts. is it all well and good to yell faggot a bunch of times in a song? is it or isn't it? what complaint could she have made at OF's support at growing fame, beyond a directly personal one? this shit about 'proper tactics' is just lame. i mean jesus.

I have no issue with Sara's response. I basically agree with everything she said. But I think her argument would be that much stronger if she actually analyzed the record and talked about it.

oh man if that was "semi-ironic 'n*****'" I would be sporting a new display name

or maybe all the faggot rapey shit put her off? fuck, it's life, not homework

xp

I have no issue with Sara's response. I basically agree with everything she said. But I think her argument would be that much stronger if she actually analyzed the record and talked about it.

― polyphonic, Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:22 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark

but then it'd be a record review, and nobody wants to read those

haha

walking with a ghost is actually a really good song imo btw for those of you who never heard of t+s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNylyGG7kNI

is it all well and good to yell faggot a bunch of times in a song? is it or isn't it?

imho it is all well and good to yell whatever the fuck you want in a song. whether or not the resulting song is any good is highly debatable.

what complaint could she have made at OF's support at growing fame, beyond a directly personal one?

I don't think she had anything to gain by addressing fans/critics/peers/whatever and telling them how they should react to it. I do think an EVEN MORE personal explanation of how she interacts/was affected by the album would have been more, I dunno... useful? effective? therapeutic? finger-wagging is never a good look when it comes to aesthetics.

xp

i apologize if this has been already been pointed out, but there's a little 'privilege.txt' in baron's piece that might earn a "think harder" from a lesbian:

But let's not let ourselves off the hook that easily--we don't actually want to ponder rape, say, nor identify with those who perpetrate it. (I don't think, anyway; torture porn perplexes me for this exact reason.) There's something else at work here. Odd Future and the acts from which they've descended make us confront a kind of disgust that is mercifully absent from our everyday lives.

"her offense at this person's purposefully offensive speech did not follow the correct rules of the game the offender set up. failure to recognize semi-ironic 'faggot', 5 yd penalty, repeat 2nd down."

― goole, Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

i always get pumped as heck when i hear walkin with a freakin ghost

is it all well and good to yell faggot a bunch of times in a song? is it or isn't it?

imho it is all well and good to yell whatever the fuck you want in a song. whether or not the resulting song is any good is highly debatable.

it's all well & good to yell whatever you want in a song, but yelling faggot a bunch of times in the specific way that tyler does - that is what makes the resulting songs bad

finger-wagging is never a good look when it comes to aesthetics.

um, sometimes it is, otherwise you are basically a-okaying hoodies with screenshots from "A Serbian Film" on them

ade i dunno if yer being sarcastic or not but i really do like walking with a ghost!

that song is terrible but I'm not from canada, things must be different up there

im totally serious forks! it seems like music that ilm would consider uncool to talk about but i am way down with teegs & sarah.

um, sometimes it is, otherwise you are basically a-okaying hoodies with screenshots from "A Serbian Film" on them

I am going to assume that ignorance is bliss when it comes to whatever this is a reference to...

xpost OK, I take your point that the timeline of responses might be different to how I thought it unfolded. Maybe my view is skewed by reading ILX, Lex's Guardian piece, etc because by the time T&S weighed in I felt that ground had already been well covered and that most OF fans in the press were ambivalent to some degree.

so i am a hard core guy fat plugs tatted up all that i always get shit for liking tegan and sara but i absolutly LOVE THEM! dgaf people can judge all they want :)
icecold576 4 months ago 76

i haven't heard a full album or anything but i would be somewhat hard pressed on a TS: WwaGhost vs Yonkers
and yeah, i almost c+p'd that youtube comment too!

it's all well & good to yell whatever you want in a song, but yelling faggot a bunch of times in the specific way that tyler does - that is what makes the resulting songs bad

I am a-okay with this kind of analysis

xp

I am going to assume that ignorance is bliss when it comes to whatever this is a reference to...

oh it so is (I have never seen the movie and never intend to; just reading the synopsis made me sick to my stomach)

I am a-okay with this kind of analysis

xp

― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:31 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark

ya cuz ur an aesthetics uber alles kinda guy - which is cool w/e but cant u see how that is in of itself a privileged position?

I love Tegan and Sara too, btw. "Speak Slow" is my jam.

yeah, i don't know from tegan & sara, but that song up there is yeesh

while we're at it i always thought patti smith's 'rock'n'roll nigger' and lester bangs' 'last of the white niggers' t-shirt were fucking dipshit and offensive too

contenderizer

:I

I'm aware that my own response to Tyler's unpleasantness is less complicated than it might be because the most offensive stuff is often the weakest so I'm not wrestling with any reluctant compulsion. Goblin is no Death Certificate. So even though it's my honest response I almost feel like it's cheating. With a track like Boppin Bitch my artistic and moral responses are in neat alignment.

I have only one Tegan & Sara song - Call It Off - but it's A+.

apologize for furthering the tangent, but I'll say as someone who likes plenty from the last three Tegan & Sara albums that "Walking With A Ghost" is one of my least favorite tracks from the period

while we're at it i always thought patti smith's 'rock'n'roll nigger' and lester bangs' 'last of the white niggers' t-shirt were fucking dipshit and offensive too

― goole, Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

rock n roll nigger is ugggggg such a bad song

while we're at it i always thought patti smith's 'rock'n'roll nigger' and lester bangs' 'last of the white niggers' t-shirt were fucking dipshit and offensive too

there's a thread for that!

"rock n roll nigger" is another classic case of an artist's dumb privilege completely undermining any point she was trying to make (and i like a fair bit of patti s)

here's a t&s deep cut i've always liked

http://youtu.be/dVEmUtGgdH0

there is a thread, and it's good - and ftr I think that both instances cited here were stupid, but the issues involved are almost entirely different from what's going on with OF.

xp

so i am a hard core guy fat plugs tatted up all that i always get shit for liking tegan and sara but i absolutly LOVE THEM! dgaf people can judge all they want :)
icecold576 4 months ago 76

― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:31 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so disappointed, while reading this before id got to the last line & still thinking it was a princess tamtam post

T&S have been covered by no less than Ye White Stripes btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYyoU8kKPQ

who do u think icecold576 is pal

goolee croupier tamtam otm

I quite like "Walking with a Ghost," "The Con," "Back in Your Head," and "Hell."

:I

barf guy is currently my favorite guy