who are you talking to, Eric
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
Royal "your."
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
lists are awful
― Unity Tour 2011: 311 and Sublime with Rome (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
If only less of them featured Citizen Kane.
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
Touch of Evil drags more than CK does (the Heston-Weaver stuff leaves me cold).― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:05 PM (49 minutes ago)
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:05 PM (49 minutes ago)
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
Citizen Kane is great and all, but its inclusion in your list of all time greatest movies isn't going to attract my attention.
I guess you omit Erotica from your list of all time great albums.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Not desperately seeking attention from ILM'ers.
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
desperately seeking susan from ilm'ers
― Unity Tour 2011: 311 and Sublime with Rome (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
desperately steening HOOS'n
― stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder what Welles thread will actually feature discussion of CK
― the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
btw the Jed Leland scenes in this make me nostalgic for an age when theatre reviews were called "notices."
― the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
also, was it Kael who wrote that Sloane's Bernstein was thought to be a vocal impression of Bernard Herrmann? I've always delighted in imagining Sloane's accent when reading Herrmann's quote to Brian De Palma when scoring Sisters: "YAW NOT HITCHCOCK!"
― the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
What are your favorite unremarked-on scenes? Mine: "Certainly we're speaking, Jedediah. You're fired."
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
^CFK at his queeniest
I like it when old Leland refers to Xanadu as "Sloppy Joe's" (fave Hemingway bar in Key West)
― the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
I love when Leland says "crimitism" instead of "criticism." Apparently, it was shot at the end of a loooooong day (or days) and Cotten was delirious with sleep deprivation. Welles just smiles at him.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
Other movies that are fast moving and fun as all hell.
The Magnificent Ambersons
this is a joke, right?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
I think he's got it confused with "Meet the Fockers"
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 08:29 (twelve years ago) link
f for fake kinda bogs down towards the end. the picasso thing.
I've the same problem with F For Fake that I do with Zelig: the joke gets tired after twenty minutes.
i can't see how either of these hold water; i don't see any of the later sections as offering diminished returns, because they're different; the section on the cathedral is one of the most lyrical in cinema, to me, and the picasso section is playful and graceful in an entirely different way from the start of the film's more mad-cap, technological fun. sure f for fake is uneven, in that it veers, but i don't think it's that it tries one thing and then flags.
― mailbox of snakes (schlump), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:51 (twelve years ago) link
'f for fake' is great, but getting criterion treatment kinda overexposed it for a while. i enjoy it most because it really lets welles play the showman, which none of his other movies really did. it's a wonderfully unique film -- i can't think of anything else remotely like it. i'd happily shell out for a criterion that consisted of nothing but welles interviews, come to think of it.
the most remarkable thing about welles, for me, is that all of his movies are so different in style, tone, everything. it's almost impossible to believe the same guy made 'ambersons' AND 'f for fake' AND 'the trial.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 12:18 (twelve years ago) link
"you see, my mother died a long time ago, and her things were put in storage out west--there wasn't any other place to put them--i thought i'd send for them now, and tonight i was going to take a look at them. you know, a sort of sentimental journey. i run a couple of newspapers; what do you do?"
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
ever notice the dude on the Smart Puffs bag looks exactly like Peter Bogdanovich?http://www.myfoodthoughts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/smart-puffs.png
― David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
missing the cravat, though
― David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
lol!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
on the new release:
For the new Blu-ray, Ned Price and his team at Warner Brothers Motion Picture Imagery scanned three different copies (or "film elements"): the MoMA print; a 35 mm fine-grain master that was found several years ago at a film lab in Brussels; and another 35 mm fine-grain master, discovered much more recently at a European film archive. (For a purely technical caveat, click here.)
"The three film elements had different strengths and weaknesses," Price explained. "For instance, one of them had less flicker in one reel but coarser grain in another reel. So we put together the best bits and pieces of all three." (Even so, Price and his team had to clean up, frame by frame, a lot of dirt and misalignments, especially in all those opticals and dissolves. The restoration project took over a year to complete.)
http://www.slate.com/id/2303638/pagenum/all/
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Had never seen this. Now I have. Wow!
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:54 (eleven years ago) link
:D
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 11:15 (eleven years ago) link
It's great no matter how much people want to rearrange the canonical furniture.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
Citizen Kane = Magnificent Ambersons = Chimes at Midnight = F for Fake = Touch of Evil
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
You'd need a big room for all that furniture.
esp if Orson is living there
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
Saw this at MoMA tonight, forgot how funny Susan's vocal coach is.
also you *do* see William Alland (the reporter)'s face out of silhouette on a big screen.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:20 (ten years ago) link
Oh, this isn't original point, but the movie announces its theme:
"It's the greatest curse that's ever been inflicted on the human race: memory."
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:22 (ten years ago) link
The Film Doctor records the reactions of his students to CK:
E: "It had really nice cinematography, but I felt that the plot was not there. They built up this whole two hour thing about 'rosebud.' You want to find out the meaning of 'rosebud' is, and then they drop it in five seconds, like, oh, we didn't find it. Whatever. Not a big deal."
FDr: "And you didn't find it was enough of a payoff at the end."
E: "Yeah."
D: "That's like part of the beauty of the movie, that you can make it the focus of a two hour movie. 'Rosebud' is not really the focus of the movie. It pulls all of the characters together. It's really amazing that you can make an entire film about one word, which ends up being not that important at the end."
FDr: "According to Pauline Kael, 'rosebud' was basically a gimmick. It still unifies the movie. Other people's thoughts?"
K: "I think Kane wasn't very popular in this class because it dealt a lot with newspapers, and that's not very big in our generation."
B: "Most movies now are just made for teenagers, and this was made before that."
FDr: "Yes, it was made more for adults. Since it doesn't cater to your age group enough, you don't like it as much?"
E: "We're so used to big action films."
FDr: "Yes, one could say that all started with Star Wars in which you've got to have a climax every ten minutes."
E: "Yes, when you come to Citizen Kane, it's just the story of a man's life, but there's no big explosions, which we've gotten so used to."
http://filmdr.blogspot.de/2015/04/the-jigsaw-puzzle-vs-explosion-student.html
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
FDr: "That would be my fault. Guilty as charged. Of the various films we've studied so far, what has been your favorite? What would you say is better than Citizen Kane?"
L: "Moonrise Kingdom."
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 April 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link
FDR's golden touch extended to children, I see.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link
at least no one complained that it was in black and white
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 13 April 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
lol, but actually not so bad a class discussion
teacher’s condescension maybe worst look of all:
Does messing with a figure of power not matter to you all? If there's no magical hammer for a character to throw around, or a comic book shield, then you don't get involved? Superheroes on motorcycles jumping out of jets as things explode--that's all you respond to?
― drash, Monday, 13 April 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link
yeah that didn't seem warranted
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 April 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
leading question
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
tbh the general public's attitude toward kane in 1941 doesn't seem to have been terribly different from these students' responses. the preview-audience responses to ambersons (before it was hacked up) are really depressing to read.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 13 April 2015 22:17 (nine years ago) link
I have talked about Citizen Kane with 12-year-olds, and shown clips from it. Many of them were very interested. One year, I remember two or three of them pleading to tell me what Rosebud was (which I of course wouldn't--"One day you'll watch it"). I don't know the Film Doctor, but if he can't get students interested in Citizen Kane, maybe that says more about him than the students.
― clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2015 22:22 (nine years ago) link
Should read "to tell them," as I'm sure you figured out.
― clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
i first saw CK when i was about 10 and loved it (despite not understanding much of it), but i always assumed i was just a weird kid.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 13 April 2015 22:40 (nine years ago) link
@NickPinkerton Citizen Kane spinoffs I would watch include 'Boss' Jim Geddes, Girl on the Jersey Ferry in 1896, and Two Techs in the Rafters During Salomé.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
that guy has the best twitter.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
so long as he keeps the quotation marks around Boss
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link
KANE FOUND IN LOVE NEST WITH 'SINGER'
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
"He wanted to take the quotes out!"
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link
SIIIING SIIIING
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
Kathryn Trosper Popper, Welles' personal assistant and last living cast member of CK (two lines), died Sunday at 100.
Several versions of the script vary, but in the version of the film that was released, Mrs. Popper is uncredited, but she can be seen taking a flash photograph directly into the movie camera, then from afar, climbing off a ladder. According to Mr. Lebo, she says, “Yeah, all in crates,” referring to curios that Kane shipped to Xanadu and never unpacked.
“You put all this together, the palaces and the paintings and the toys and everything, what would it spell?” a newspaperman asks.
“Charles Foster Kane,” Jerry Thompson, another reporter, replies.
“Or Rosebud?” the first reporter says. “How about it, Jerry?”
“What’s Rosebud?” Ms. Popper’s character asks.
“That’s what he said when he died.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kathryn-trosper-popper-dead-last-873587
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/movies/kathryn-popper-who-had-tiny-role-in-citizen-kane-dies-at-100.html?_r=0
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 17:24 (eight years ago) link