Citizen Kane, then...

"orson welles shows you pictures of his girlfriend"

You know what's funny? That Richard Gere made a movie about this too.

hmm I've never seen F for Fake.

sounds kinda silly

well so is ILE.

f for fake is awesome

my favorite part in f for fake is when he's holding court at the restaurant, this roaring mountain laughing and telling lies and knocking over drinks.

my favorite part in f for fake of ILE is when he's holding court at the restaurant, this roaring mountain laughing and telling lies and knocking over drinks.

you're gonna need to eat more.

This thread needs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ehxdlAlHQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LkDNu8bVU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2nf-EQQXUs

*rouses from alcoholic coma* AAAAAHHHHHHH the....french champagne.....

-xpost-

LOL, those voiceover tapes are brilliant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V14PfDDwxlE

Sorry, your version is better!

Citizen Kane is great and all, but its inclusion in your list of all time greatest movies isn't going to attract my attention.

And, let's face it, if you can't get my attention in list form, you ain't getting my attention.

" he duzzn do anythin'?"

who are you talking to, Eric

Royal "your."

lists are awful

If only less of them featured Citizen Kane.

Touch of Evil drags more than CK does (the Heston-Weaver stuff leaves me cold).

― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:05 PM (49 minutes ago)

Citizen Kane is great and all, but its inclusion in your list of all time greatest movies isn't going to attract my attention.

I guess you omit Erotica from your list of all time great albums.

Not desperately seeking attention from ILM'ers.

desperately seeking susan from ilm'ers

desperately steening HOOS'n

I wonder what Welles thread will actually feature discussion of CK

btw the Jed Leland scenes in this make me nostalgic for an age when theatre reviews were called "notices."

also, was it Kael who wrote that Sloane's Bernstein was thought to be a vocal impression of Bernard Herrmann? I've always delighted in imagining Sloane's accent when reading Herrmann's quote to Brian De Palma when scoring Sisters: "YAW NOT HITCHCOCK!"

What are your favorite unremarked-on scenes? Mine: "Certainly we're speaking, Jedediah. You're fired."

^CFK at his queeniest

I like it when old Leland refers to Xanadu as "Sloppy Joe's" (fave Hemingway bar in Key West)

I love when Leland says "crimitism" instead of "criticism." Apparently, it was shot at the end of a loooooong day (or days) and Cotten was delirious with sleep deprivation. Welles just smiles at him.

Other movies that are fast moving and fun as all hell.

The Magnificent Ambersons

this is a joke, right?

I think he's got it confused with "Meet the Fockers"

f for fake kinda bogs down towards the end. the picasso thing.

I've the same problem with F For Fake that I do with Zelig: the joke gets tired after twenty minutes.

i can't see how either of these hold water; i don't see any of the later sections as offering diminished returns, because they're different; the section on the cathedral is one of the most lyrical in cinema, to me, and the picasso section is playful and graceful in an entirely different way from the start of the film's more mad-cap, technological fun. sure f for fake is uneven, in that it veers, but i don't think it's that it tries one thing and then flags.

'f for fake' is great, but getting criterion treatment kinda overexposed it for a while. i enjoy it most because it really lets welles play the showman, which none of his other movies really did. it's a wonderfully unique film -- i can't think of anything else remotely like it. i'd happily shell out for a criterion that consisted of nothing but welles interviews, come to think of it.

the most remarkable thing about welles, for me, is that all of his movies are so different in style, tone, everything. it's almost impossible to believe the same guy made 'ambersons' AND 'f for fake' AND 'the trial.'

"you see, my mother died a long time ago, and her things were put in storage out west--there wasn't any other place to put them--i thought i'd send for them now, and tonight i was going to take a look at them. you know, a sort of sentimental journey. i run a couple of newspapers; what do you do?"

ever notice the dude on the Smart Puffs bag looks exactly like Peter Bogdanovich?
http://www.myfoodthoughts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/smart-puffs.png

missing the cravat, though

lol!

on the new release:

For the new Blu-ray, Ned Price and his team at Warner Brothers Motion Picture Imagery scanned three different copies (or "film elements"): the MoMA print; a 35 mm fine-grain master that was found several years ago at a film lab in Brussels; and another 35 mm fine-grain master, discovered much more recently at a European film archive. (For a purely technical caveat, click here.)

"The three film elements had different strengths and weaknesses," Price explained. "For instance, one of them had less flicker in one reel but coarser grain in another reel. So we put together the best bits and pieces of all three." (Even so, Price and his team had to clean up, frame by frame, a lot of dirt and misalignments, especially in all those opticals and dissolves. The restoration project took over a year to complete.)

http://www.slate.com/id/2303638/pagenum/all/

Had never seen this. Now I have. Wow!

:D

It's great no matter how much people want to rearrange the canonical furniture.

Citizen Kane = Magnificent Ambersons = Chimes at Midnight = F for Fake = Touch of Evil

You'd need a big room for all that furniture.

esp if Orson is living there

Saw this at MoMA tonight, forgot how funny Susan's vocal coach is.

also you *do* see William Alland (the reporter)'s face out of silhouette on a big screen.

Oh, this isn't original point, but the movie announces its theme:

"It's the greatest curse that's ever been inflicted on the human race: memory."

The Film Doctor records the reactions of his students to CK:

E: "It had really nice cinematography, but I felt that the plot was not there. They built up this whole two hour thing about 'rosebud.' You want to find out the meaning of 'rosebud' is, and then they drop it in five seconds, like, oh, we didn't find it. Whatever. Not a big deal."

FDr: "And you didn't find it was enough of a payoff at the end."

E: "Yeah."

D: "That's like part of the beauty of the movie, that you can make it the focus of a two hour movie. 'Rosebud' is not really the focus of the movie. It pulls all of the characters together. It's really amazing that you can make an entire film about one word, which ends up being not that important at the end."

FDr: "According to Pauline Kael, 'rosebud' was basically a gimmick. It still unifies the movie. Other people's thoughts?"

K: "I think Kane wasn't very popular in this class because it dealt a lot with newspapers, and that's not very big in our generation."

B: "Most movies now are just made for teenagers, and this was made before that."

FDr: "Yes, it was made more for adults. Since it doesn't cater to your age group enough, you don't like it as much?"

E: "We're so used to big action films."

FDr: "Yes, one could say that all started with Star Wars in which you've got to have a climax every ten minutes."

E: "Yes, when you come to Citizen Kane, it's just the story of a man's life, but there's no big explosions, which we've gotten so used to."

http://filmdr.blogspot.de/2015/04/the-jigsaw-puzzle-vs-explosion-student.html