DUD
― Hayward, Thursday, 3 October 2002 02:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Clarke B., Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.
― Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?
― Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!
― etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (twenty years ago) link
― flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (twenty years ago) link
Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.
― Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (twenty years ago) link
Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.
― Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link
― flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (twenty years ago) link
― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (twenty years ago) link
Shake Dog ShakeFascination StreetA Strange DayA Night Like ThisLovesongPushSinkingPictures Of YouLullabyLovecatsMaybe SomedayIn Your HouseFrom The Edge Of The Deep Green SeaMCharlotte SometimesInbetween DaysJust Like HeavenHey You!!!Play For TodayA Forest Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)10.15 Saturday NightBoys Don't CryI Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman), Close To MeLet's Go To BedWhy Can't I Be YouFriday I'm In Love
Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link
Genius.
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link
!!!!!!
― teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:48 (twenty years ago) link
And yes, Frank the postman showed up in all his voluminous glory, the first time they've done any Cult Hero material in (10 years according to Robert).
And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.
And I maintain my viewpoint, no doubt. Friday's only iffy moment came 11 songs in, when some (relatively) unfamiliar chords struck up - "What is this," I thought to myself with a grimace, "Joan Osborne's 'One Of Us'?" But no, it was in fact "Maybe Someday".
The Cure should've stopped recording new music after Wish (or more specifically, if you like, after "Fear Of Ghosts"). I love them still, but I shall not be moved on this matter.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:01 (twenty years ago) link
Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!
Wait, what? So essentially he and Perry B. have completed the circle.
Anyway. First batch of reissues in a month. EXCITED!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:04 (twenty years ago) link
I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link
That I had heard, seems to make sense! They and Depeche should just finally tour together. ;-)
In all seriousness, thanks for any leads you might have!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:33 (twenty years ago) link
do you dislike bloodflowers? I wasn't hot on it for many years but I've come around, maybe in part because the albums after were fairly disappointing by comparison. The Last Day of Summer is probably my favorite song on that album.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 24 February 2024 15:17 (two months ago) link
It's a beaut, and it was nice to see it back in the mix on last year's tour.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2024 15:51 (two months ago) link
Yeah that album’s saving grace
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 24 February 2024 16:45 (two months ago) link
I’m also very fond of The Loudest Sound
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Saturday, 24 February 2024 17:03 (two months ago) link
I think Bloodflowers is great, especially "The Last Day Of Summer".I just wish "Watching Me Fall" was a bit faster, like "Disintegration" or "One Hundred Years" to give the album more dynamic. It's a good song, but it really weighs the album down.
― LeRooLeRoo, Saturday, 24 February 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link
Could also just be shorter! For me it doesn’t have enough going on musically or lyrically to justify the epic length - was an absolute slog when they played it second in the set on the tour. Those shows were pretty great though.
― Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:39 (two months ago) link
(Re Watching Me Fall specifically - although the overlong/under-interesting criticism does somewhat apply to the album overall)
― Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Saturday, 24 February 2024 20:24 (two months ago) link
My point was it being an obscure song and not exactly "Just Like Heaven." She could have said "Throw Your Foot" or "A Chain of Flowers" for example and I would have known it was a B-side and from which album.
Bloodflowers is good but hardly ever play it. I think I like 4:13 Dream more, is this a poll idea?
― Bee OK, Sunday, 25 February 2024 19:21 (two months ago) link
The last time I played "Bloodflowers," maybe last year, I liked it. I hadn't heard it for years, but had remembered it pretty well (maybe because I had gotten to see them play a small club here behind it). Iirc I only listened to "4:13 Dream" a couple of times, when it was released, and I don't recognize any song titles now, so at the very least I'm sure it would be surprising if I ever put it on again.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 February 2024 19:53 (two months ago) link
Will nobody dare mention the poor unloved self-titled LP
I have to say I find The End of the World and Alt End pretty charming Cure singles - their late(r) attempts at giddy pop have often felt forced to me but those two are better than they have a right to be.
(I also felt like The Promise had… promise but kind of needed to go full Mogwai or something - it just stays on the one intensity setting for 7 minutes or whatever)
― Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Sunday, 25 February 2024 20:12 (two months ago) link
Lost > The Promise because of the escalating intensity
I really love the s/t, particularly the Japanese import that adds “Truth, Goodness, and Beauty”, “Fake”, and “Going Nowhere” to the tracklist, but I don’t think I will ever be able to get past “The doleful cant of a bigot/Blinded by fear and hate”
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Sunday, 25 February 2024 20:20 (two months ago) link
aka Donald Trump's Cure covers EP
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2024 22:36 (two months ago) link
ILM is one of the only places where you'll find ardent admirers of the s/t album (and WMS). s/t has some good songs utterly ruined by shitty production and roger being mixed out. 4:13 Dream has a good opening track and no other memorable songs.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 25 February 2024 23:03 (two months ago) link
The Real Snow White, The Scream, and It’s Over are all fantastic
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Sunday, 25 February 2024 23:51 (two months ago) link
I do like the flow of 4:13 Dream and like the songs on the album. "Underneath the Stars" is amazing, might be the best late period song by the Cure. Bloodflowers could be better, I suppose, but it has been awhile since I heard it. The s/t I just can't listen to as it hurts my ears. Tho probably a decent album if you play with the alternate tracks and B-sides.
― Bee OK, Monday, 26 February 2024 01:10 (two months ago) link
The biggest problem with the last 2 albums is how loud and up front in the mix Robert’s voice is. Makes them barely listenable unfortunately. I’m surprised he doesn’t hear it.
― LeRooLeRoo, Monday, 26 February 2024 01:19 (two months ago) link
I went and watched a live version of The Promise and it probably delivered more on the assaultative guitar burnout front - without quite getting there - could even faintly hear Roger's keys
Would be a pretty interested to read a candid oral history of those Ross Robinson sessions - sounds like the goth Some Kind of Monster - band identity crisis, tantrums, walkouts, Robert berating the band for not being worthy of being the Cure, people throwing music stands across the room (audible on Lost IIRC) etc
― Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Monday, 26 February 2024 02:03 (two months ago) link
If Wiki can be trusted it looks like Ross has produced over 30 albums since that one, most of which I've never heard or even heard of, so I'd like to think it tanked his career.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 February 2024 03:07 (two months ago) link
Wish they'd finish up Songs of a Lost World and release it
― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 26 February 2024 03:10 (two months ago) link
Me too
I have been BURNed before but I still hold out hope that they have a mature-age masterpiece in em
They really should, all the things that RS sang about at 25 are actually happening now
― Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Monday, 26 February 2024 03:47 (two months ago) link
https://youtube.com/XmoFgi2EB9c
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 26 February 2024 09:56 (two months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmoFgi2EB9csorry
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 26 February 2024 09:57 (two months ago) link
sky arts showed both Nocturne and the Cure's 2018 gig from hyde park on friday night. the years have not really been kind to R Smith but his voice has held up remarkably well, i thought.
― koogs, Monday, 18 March 2024 10:13 (one month ago) link
(there are like a million people in hyde park by the looks. played for two hours. things like A Forest and Just Like Heaven sounded note-perfect. it's all very impressive)
― koogs, Monday, 18 March 2024 11:34 (one month ago) link
Yeah their live show at this point is full-on stunning
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 11:28 (one month ago) link