Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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I find the idea that it's "gotten" insular in the last two years sort of mystifying, if only because the typical non-music-geek complaing about Spin is that it's ALWAYS been insular. I mean, five years ago they were writing about turntablism and sound-boys, stuff that, for better or worse, is WAY more insular than rock bands with hooks and attractive frontpeople.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not arguing insularity Andy, they're ambulance-chasing. And driving on the left.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What's wrong with driving on the left? And I have to say I have no problem with music magazines subsidising their music section with fashion spreads (and the resulting ads), as long as the music section is unaffected. Better that than downgrading your music section by talking about inconsequential musicians in a trite way to bring in a broader audience.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't understand Chris Ott's posts on this thread at all.

Except he doesn't like brits?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 26 February 2004 10:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to be way more New York-ish, with more of a snobby attitude, sort of this subversive nature and snarky editorial that was more SPY than Rolling Stone. I miss that aspect; as SPIN has drifted more and more towards the mainstream, it has lost its sense of identity and verve. Without cheerleading the Strokes and the White Stripes on every issue, they'd barely be hip at all. And that feature where the artist names their influencial albums was a concept blatantly lifted from Blender. The elephant in the room here is that Blender is eating SPIN alive.

I fully understand that embracing "lifestyle" brings in the big advertising dollars (fashion), but in this case it has made the magazine much less enjoyable.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be it may be, but give me Spin over Rolling Stone ANY DAY of the week. You?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

OTM

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

True, but you can say that about any magazine, give me O over Rolling Stone any day of the week.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I prefer Rolling Stone. Music coverage is equally bad in both, but Rolling Stone occasionally has interesting political features.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Magazines suck.

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yeah, i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but seeing features on Toby Keith and DMB is just too depressing..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to have some really great pieces in the back of the magazine about non-music stuff that were real eye-openers. I haven't seen any good ones lately. What irks me is how the staff has turned itself into celebrity figurines. I read the magazine thinking, "I feel too uncool to be reading this shit." And I'm a frickin writer. I imagine it's incredibly off-putting for some kid in her bedroom.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related? This was late 80s.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Last time I read Spin, Guccione Jr was still at the helm, pimping John Mellencamp. So I guess Hank Rollins and Legs McNeil don't write for 'em anymore either?

I feel old.

doug watson (solid air), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well, they still have non-music features, like... "Friendster more addictive than crack!!!"

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Celia Farber's AIDS coverage was overall pretty impressive, especially considering the venue.

I agree with you Jeanne that the staff thing is getting annoying; Sia Michel's Letter From the Editor has been completely cloying from minute one (complete with all the "Look at me, I'm at the cool places with the cool people pictures") and the endless pimping of staff tomes is a chore. Spitz' gossip column is unbearable. But I still like the reviews quite a bit.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

SPIN needs to be put out of its misery. It hasn't mattered since about 1988.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think it's been even longer than that...

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what did Sia Michel do before Spin? I had never heard of her until i saw her picture in Spin.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

She was a receptionist somewhere.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Once SPIN lost Legs McNeil and John Leland it was all over (though I still like Klosterman).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

man, Spin hasn't mattered since 1972 when I was reading it

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Don, all "letter from the editor" pieces in any given magazine are like that. It's sort of the purpose. But I know what you mean. The mag feels like a big Friendster publication or something.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

really? and then she became the editor in chief of Spin? cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Jeanne otm there. "Letter from the Editor" pages are almost universally cringe-worthy (really wanna vomit? Read Alan Light's one from the debut issue of TRACKS).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i still miss the old details. when it was just pictures of stephen saban on a couch with diane brill.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and i still miss rock scene when it was just pictures of lisa robinson on the couch with joey ramone.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

How great would it be if Letter from the Editor *actually* portrayed what went on: "Motherfuckers in the mail room misplaced the press kit for the new Dinkie Bubble album so that fucked shit up royally. And don't get me started on motherfuckin' Hack McInkspot handing his review A WEEK LATE. Thanks, assmonger, it's not like we're on DEADLINE or anything..."

That would rule.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the offensiveness of "Letter to the Editor" is nothing compared to the "Making Out with UltraGrrl". i just want to rip that page out every month and forcibly shove it down the throat ofd the next pseudo-hipster i see.

SPIN was a godsend for me in high school (1990-1994), living out on a farm in the middle of central Illinois. sure it wasn't all that subversive or underground, but to someone raised on country and Top 40 it was a whole new world. i still pick up an issue from time to time, mostly because it's more affordable than the import prices on the decent British mags. but i'm always wondering why.

jonviachicago, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hack McInkspot!! Ha Ha, i've got a new nom de plume. thanks, Jeanne!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's true that most Letters From the Editor are unbearable, but I don't remember as many celebs-with-editor pictures as the Michel years have produced...maybe the Bobby Jr. years had the same thing but I can't remember anymore.

While we're on the subject of Tracks, I can't believe how lifeless and personality-free it is.

The UltraGrrl thing is awful. I'd forgotten about that.

Gawker calls Details "The gay magazine for straight men" or something like that. Classic.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sia does seem especially intent on telegraphing her celeb-compatibility. Still, Guccionne Jr. wasn't that different.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Did Tracks just steal their whole idea for a magazine from Harp?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

What? You mean the non-music journalism about the NYC guy with the biggest penis in the world or people who make living room speed and eat it until their teeth fall out?

I'd call it the white-trash beat for voyeurs but not hard-hitting or strong.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Yes, SPIN, supporter of whackos and rubbish science.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Killer email ady...CompuServe is still going?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

>>> Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Remember when Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl were pushing this agenda, playing benefit shows for that wacko group "Alive and Well." That was insane... I wonder if they still support that cause.

That said, I think Spin is perfect. I expect nothing more. Each issue lasts me exactly one lunch break, once a month, where I look at the pretty pictures as I eat some soup.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it really ws better two or three years ago but its still ok

$$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

is anything in your world as good as it was in 1988, alex? anything? if you love 1988 so much why don't you go live there

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What's up your ass?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

George, they've had better stuff than the dude with the big penis in Rolling Stone! Now, come on. I mean all those killer white trash kids! Don't forget about them. They were great. when i was 16 i had a picture of ricky kasso on my bedroom wall right next to a huge piece of paper with the chemical formula for LSD on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

that sounded harsher than i meant it to, alex, but seriously you go on about how everything's gone downhill since 1988 so often!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I was speaking strictly in terms of SPIN magazine, Fritz, and it wasn't one of my usual tirades about how stuff was much better then (which isn't categorically true, by the way). SPIN, however, used to be ahead of the curve. Now it struggles to keep up with the curve, panting like an exhausted walrus.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Alex is right Fritz. Except I guess I'd put it a bit later, maybe '90? I dunno, whenever Leland and Kogan and Sheffield and Eddy and Coley and McNiel and so forth stopped writing. I mean, no offense to any ILXors who contribute but the current writing just can't compete with that lineup, no fucking way.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i drank a lot of Meister Brau in 1988.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

My favorite "letter from the editor" ever was in a Details magazine from its latter "phase one" days. The editor wrote a column talking about this wonderful $3500 leather jacket he purchased, and then weeped about how he was too frightened to wear it out anywhere, lest it get damaged by rain/wind/etc. I hope it's keeping him warm in Central Park at night, haha.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

a lot of Blatz and Iron City too.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I drank Miller that I would steal from the convenience store I worked at as a stock-boy (16, 1st ever job!) I would go carry some garbage out to the dumpster in back, except I'd carry a six pack out with me and then hide it behind the dumpster. Then after my shift was over I'd drive around back and grab the beer.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Meister Brau--back when a microbrew was a microbrew. Now there's a thread--microbrews circa the 1980s (or even more fun, the 1970s when I was collecting beer cans as a kid.)

Either way, Alex is right that SPIN was way better back then. Anyone remember the Michael O'Donohue columns? That guy was a scream, the best back page they've ever had. I've got a few of those columns on my hard drive if anyone wants a repost (SPIN used to keep them at their website, back when they first came online.)

Rolling Stone used to have better non-music writers, too. William Grieder I liked even though I never agreed with much of his stuff. PJ O'Rourke is better than anyone they've had in at least five years on staff there.

The more I think about it, the more I think I've been harsh on Sia for putting her mug all over her page. Bobby Jr. was more of a publicity whore, and she's better looking. But the direction of the magazine is still shit.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, somebody else might (may) tell it quite differently, and even in his version, looks like everything turned out okay (oops spoiler).

dow, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 20:49 (one year ago) Permalink

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― lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, July 20, 2015 11:14 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 00:36 (one year ago) Permalink

I have not thought abt that song in like 15 yrs

WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 00:36 (one year ago) Permalink

Thank you for giving the hearty lol I thought that tweet deserved. I got one RT total on that!

lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 01:41 (one year ago) Permalink

what can i say, i love aaron carter

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 01:42 (one year ago) Permalink

dude, you totally were watching that on the Bad at Rap thread weren't u

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 04:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Of course!

lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 04:21 (one year ago) Permalink

<3

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 04:44 (one year ago) Permalink

whiney that was a good tweet

balls, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 05:51 (one year ago) Permalink

it's all iconclastic poet michael robbins' fault!

https://twitter.com/alienvsrobbins/status/622570735211520000

scott seward, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 15:42 (one year ago) Permalink

what isn't

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

This guy sounds like an unbelievable tool.

nabisco mr snrub OTM

got the club going UP on a tuesday (m coleman), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

it's all iconclastic poet michael robbins' fault!

https://twitter.com/alienvsrobbins/status/622570735211520000

― scott seward, Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:42 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what isn't

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:56 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

maura, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 16:11 (one year ago) Permalink

I stay with a friend in Stuyvesant Town, 20th & First in Manhattan. It's near the best bagel shop in the world, now closed

truth bomb.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Don't look for it etc etc

Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 18:15 (one year ago) Permalink

it's all iconclastic poet michael robbins' fault!
https://twitter.com/alienvsrobbins/status/622570735211520000

― scott seward, Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:42 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbh this framing story is my favorite part

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 19:04 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

spin has hired good people lately but the periodic (general music media) bloodletting of laying people off then immediately hiring other people is still vampiric and awful

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7486920/spinmedia-sale-layoffs-spin-report

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 27 August 2016 05:09 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Also from billboard.com, via Brad Shoup's twitter bitlink: SpinMedia sells several sites to Hive(?), hangs onto Go Fug Yourself etc.: http://ht.ly/Yx1A304swa3

dow, Thursday, 22 September 2016 17:56 (two months ago) Permalink

from what I understand SPIN will no longer publish reviews. I haven't approached the new editor to confirm.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:01 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm filing one today

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:48 (two months ago) Permalink

welcome back!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 September 2016 18:50 (two months ago) Permalink

same

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 22 September 2016 21:24 (two months ago) Permalink

well, that's reassuring

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 September 2016 21:27 (two months ago) Permalink

Meanwhile... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/business/media/rolling-stone-brings-in-a-singapore-based-investor.html

“We really were looking for a strategic partner,” Mr. Wenner’s son Gus, who is currently the head of digital for Wenner Media, said in an interview. “This was kind of as strategic as I could possibly find because we have a shared vision and they’re going to be extraordinarily additive as we continue to evolve and transform our business.”

He added: “This is purely a move and a partnership that is aimed at setting ourselves up with a plan and a strategy to be successful.”

Frozen CD, Monday, 26 September 2016 00:52 (two months ago) Permalink

extraordinarily additive

tongue and cheek (stevie), Monday, 26 September 2016 13:53 (two months ago) Permalink


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