TS: Mutant Disco VS New York Noise

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hey all you rock heads who like rock band disco check it theres also this rock band who plays funk and raps theyre called the RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS so yall can just stop listening to funk and rap too, thank you soul jazz!!

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

trife, when the day comes that hiphoppers don't bite rock riffs, you may have a point. Otherwise, for the bazillionth time, shut it.

(p.s. come see the Smog show in Athens so I can make fun of you in person)

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

(and don't even ask about guestlist, altho if I'm feeling nice I'll give James Blount a +1)

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 19:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

oooh BURN!! shuttin me out the smog concert, im devastated

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

well since we all know you're a big indie pussy at heart, I'm not surprised!

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

*gets popcorn out*

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

anyway my question about rock disco was sincere, why are you fucking with me

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

because you sound like a "Hey who put this peanut butter in my chocolate" strict-genre-line idiot, that's why.

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah for real because indie fucks like you think that gentrifying every genre to be 'weird' and sound like indie rock is 'breaking down genre barriers', yo check my 'weird disco' albums next to my 'weird rap' odb and kool keith cds

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

The key thing to remember here is that mutant disco doesn't sound like rock.

― zzzz, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

well i havent heard the fucking stuff thats why i was asking!! it gets talked about like part of that no wave punkfunk disco not disco 'yo im too good for donna summer and the village people but im a disco maniac with my ugly undanceable noise rock' crowd

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

hhahahaahaha, yeah go listen to Elephant 6 "keep it real" to psychedelia by not mixing it with anything! Go listen to hiphop that doesn't use any sample sources that aren't other hiphop songs! Keep it real, trifey!

and no, you're right, "indie fucks" like myself never listen to anything but ODB and Kool Keith. Not even l'il Nate Patrin, nosiree! And of course everyone who posts to this thread is an "indie fuck" worthy of insult, because they like new wave/disco hybrid stuff. Yep, mmm hmm.

It's like everything with trife is just one big monotonous circle going round and round and round and round. If you had anything to do on ILM besides bait people, maybe some day you'd "break the cycle!" C'mon, you can do it l'il trifey! I believe in you!

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

trife if you'd click on the Mutant Disco link you'd fine soundclips. Duh.

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

find. Duh to me too.

― hstencil, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

i think trife's point is a good crit of the way this lp was sold though: the name mutant disco is very aimed at in that old-fast new wave "it's dance music except for clever ppl" thing (the record itself isn't) (and lizzy mercier descloux is the best thing evah) (even though i dropped my copy of the first lp IN THE BATH!! so the sleeve went all big and puffy and the vinyl iwz never what is was)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

bah i dropped the last bit of that post in the bath also

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

why are you talking to me? i know about e6 stuff because i live in athens and im friends w some of the people in the bands, i do like some of it especially in a social context, but i dont really know that much about 60s pop or whatever... anyway 'openminded' dudes like you always teamup on me for liking linkin park or puffy-sampling or whatever ACTUAL genre mashups there are instead of just filtering everything through the same bored music crit record store indierock aesthetic, yeah human league were so much better before they made pop songs, please just stop

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

actually human league never didn't make pop songs

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

lizzy mercier descloux s/d

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

actually human league never didn't make pop songs

I was about to say. They just made them poppier over time. Sorta.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

there is still a huge seam of amazing mutant disco / no wave disko (whatever you want to call it) that remains un reissued, regurgitated and repackaged.

― stirmonster, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

well they purged the nerds

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

but then the nerds made pop also hurrah!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

whatever happened to glenn gregory?

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

ok!!! ive never heard old human league songs but i saw a dude at this party trying to hit on a girl using his cred of liking 'old human league, before they were on mtv or anything' and christ i love the human league but why would you like them before they were on mtv!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Implying that everything not on MTV isn't any good?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

also this mindset of shit being better and smarter and more respectable etc because its 'dark', like if its disco or human league or any synthpop whatever, fucking repulses me

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

the first single is an attack on the making of silk!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

"buddha's watching buddha's waiting"

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

they had slides at their early shows!! they invented mtv!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

it was all pcitures of thunderbirds puppets and stuff, the league were never dark

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

I thought queen invented mtv!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

for the purposes of teasing trife, it wz the human league

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Black Hit of Space" is dark! It's about a pop song that destroys everything! It goes to #1 and then goes into negative numbers. Also the coolest meta-pop song ever.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

TS: indie jetpackers vs. undie backpackers

― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure that if Trife got over his anti-indie bigotry and sat down and gave his thoughts room to move around, he may be on to an interesting point about how records/acts are sold to certain audiences. But as it stands, it's just so bogged down in kneejerk genre bile and misdirected anger that it comes out making him look like a fool.

Come on, Trife. You can do better.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 21 June 2003 22:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

who exactly are you talking to, condescendua?

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 21 June 2003 23:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

like, trife's right there

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 21 June 2003 23:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

christ i love the human league but why would you like them before they were on mtv!!!

As with yr "sincere" question earlier, you've mistaken exclamation marks for a question mark, which probably doesn't help with making people take yr "questions" as "sincere". Second, if you really loved the Human League, you'd know they existed for years prior to the advent of MTV.

Anyway, giving an answer to my own thread I started, I'm sorta leaning towards the NY Noise comp, if only because ~~it doesn't contain "Spooks in Space"~~ it covers more ground, and I prefer 99 Records/No New York to a lot of the material released on ZE. I'll probably buy both, anyway.

― Vic Funk, Saturday, 21 June 2003 23:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

yo vic if you REALLY loved the human league youd kill yourself

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 22 June 2003 03:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

You're weird, sir.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 June 2003 04:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

trife the real thing is that like james chance = white and the gang of four and others really DID like disco.

except when they went disco (i.e. james chance -> james white and gang of four from entertainment -> hard) the hipsters dropped them cold (yo jess what's happenin'?) and that's the real key there's a problem.

i mean yeah if the POINT is that genre-tourism bullshit sure. but if that's just the pitch to ppl who don't get it and the music's on an interesting path, no.

like arto lindsay and etc. rilly went latin and they LIKED it and hipsters were all "why don't they skronk anymore?"

duh.

(the moosic itself is quite nice, some of it, tho i recall wetherall's 9:00 drop comp bored me a bit. don't think of them as stripping disco, but enlivening punk)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 June 2003 06:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

Amazing, I've never listened much to the Human League, tho I've got no problem with them per se. I don't think I'd talk about any music to impress a girl at a party, tho. Weird.

― hstencil, Sunday, 22 June 2003 15:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

**except when they went disco (i.e. james chance -> james white and gang of four from entertainment -> hard) the hipsters dropped them cold (yo jess what's happenin'?) and that's the real key there's a problem**

Gang of 4 *went disco*? DISCO? Come on - it's not recognisable as DISCO! They couldn't have done it even if they had a budget of £10M, unlimited access to Giorgio Moroder and Arif Mardin and a gun against each of their postpunk heads.

I do like lots of the Ze/NY stuff but a lot of it is far too tentative to really hit the heights of real disco. Try sticking a Defunkt track between say, Le Freak and Boogie Nights and just listen to the difference.

Best track on NY Noise is The Bloods - I've heard *of* it, but haven't heard it before. Sounds like Madonna fronting 2nd album Au Pairs. Nice!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

and it has "Clean on your bean", "beat bop", "You got me" and "You can´t be funky"

― Jens (brighter), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

Howdy, I don't really post here, etc... but I was wondering if anyone knew where in the world this thing can be found (Mutant Disco that is).

Can't find it in any stores, or online to mailorder. If anyone could point me in the right direction, that would be awesome.

― Adolf Hipster (A.H.), Sunday, 20 July 2003 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

that is the worst name ever

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 20 July 2003 22:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

I agree.

― Chocolate Moussolini (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

Dr. C is so much realer than Trife

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't know what that has to do with anything, it's just what occurred to me as I read this thread

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

Dr C is the realest cat there is!

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 20 July 2003 23:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

What I would really prefer is a CD-R of Marcello Carlin's set on ResonanceFm the other week.

I picked up New York Noise yesterday and wasn't either impressed or disappointed. To me it's one of those CDs that will linger near the CD player for ages, and rarely actually go in. A Reference Library-grade compilation for sure. Not to say it's not enjoyable, but I would have preferred a 40 minute comp with more attention to track sequencing.

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 21 July 2003 00:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

the ny no wave comp is okay, but too much of it feels like novelty tunes played buy guys with unopened ayler records

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 July 2003 01:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

What I would really prefer is a CD-R of Marcello Carlin's set on ResonanceFm the other week.

Especially that one hyperrare song he played, something never anthologized -- it was The Shit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

what was it?

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

I got a previously-unmentioned Ze comp called Seize the Beat last week, but still haven't played it.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

Especially that one hyperrare song he played, something never anthologized -- it was The Shit.

The impLOG song? "Holland Tunnel Dive," I believe is the name?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ah yes, thank you...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

I have an mp3 of it, yo.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

yo!

"An extremely theatrical manipulation of melody, rhythm, style, instrumentation, beat, and a machine that virtually destroys your record player." philip brophy

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 21 July 2003 02:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

Sorry about the name. I thought it up a year ago and thought it was really clever.
But anyway, no one knows where to buy this then?

― Adolf Hipster (A.H.), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

ny noise is grebt but is monochromatic (brown, maybe), while mutant disco is all the colours of the rainbow. fantastic stuff.

― zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 21 July 2003 11:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

Just got an email from ZE announcing a fourth Mutant Disco comp. Tracklisting:

1. Was (Not Was) - Shake Your Head (Let's Go to Bed Remix)
2. Tussle vs Don Armando- I'm an Indian Too (Remix)
3. Cristina - Ballad of Immoral Manufacture
4. Don Armando's 2nd Avenue Rhumba Band - Winter of Love (Mutant Disco Edit)
5. Aural Exciters - Marathon Runner
6. Junie Morrison - Tease Me (Arthur Baker Remix)
7. Rosa Yemen vs Stiff Figure - Herpes Simplex (Remix)
8. Twitch/Optimo - Contort Yourself
9. Was (Not Was) - The Party Broke Up (Mutant Disco Edit)
10. Lizzy Mercier Descloux - Hard-Boiled Babe (M-D Remix)
11. Alan Vega - Fireball (Mutant Disco Edit)
12. Gichy Dan - Action Man
13. Breakfast Club - Rico Mambo (Club Version)
14. Sweet Pea Atkinson - Somebody Could Lose a Heart Tonight
15. Garcons - French Boy (Filter Dub Remix)
16. Michael Dracula - Destroy Yourself (CDLS Remix)

Available now at <a href="http://www.zerecords.com/process.php?pname=ShowAlbumDetailsProcess-Start&CategoryID=3&AlbumID=109";>their digital store</a>, hopefully a physical release or digital distribution through a service that will take my weak Yanqui dollars soon. The (horribly formatted) press release alongside the tracklisting also mentions they're reissuing the Junie Morrison album; hopefully this means physically (and hopefully LP and not just CD) since it's been available at their site for a while already.

― Telephone thing, Sunday, 20 July 2008 20:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

never work with a label you idolise. they'll only shatter the dream. rip off c**nts.

― stirmonster, Monday, 21 July 2008 06:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Harsh. What exactly did they do, if you don't mind my asking?

― Telephone thing, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 04:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was about to say "I love Herpes Simplex"

― I know, right?, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Any chance of their reissuing the Aural Exciters album or Born To Laugh At Tornadoes (if they've got the rights back from Geffen)?

― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 10:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Those are both up at their download shop; dunno if they've given up on physical releases entirely or what.

― Telephone thing, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Harsh. What exactly did they do, if you don't mind my asking?

regrettable ilm drunken late night post no. 321. ok, basically they don't pay anybody. this didn't really bother me as i was just delighted to get a release on the label but they COMPLETELY screwed over a good friend of mine. i should point out that zilkha is completely innocent as he has nothing to do with the label any more.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

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