2008 Primaries Thread

Maybe he (Edwards) didn't. I thought he had a chance in Iowa and, if he won there, he'd have a puncher's-chance in New Hampsire.

CNN just reported 212,000 Dem turnout. In 2004, it was 125,000.

that's Kind Of A Big Deal, right?

yah totes

I think HRC is gonna start throwing shit at O soon enough,

ummmmm like as soon as six weeks ago?

also yeah that is totally rad about dem. turnout

I'm guessing that's a product of having more than one popular candidate?

What was the Republican turnout?

tombot- maybe lock one thread or the other?

-- gr8080, Thursday, January 3, 2008 6:49 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

About 114,000 Republicans turned out. The last contested Republican caucuses in 2000 drew about 88,000. George W. Bush, then the governor of Texas, won.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/huckobama.jpg

huckateeth

No? OK, fine. We'll go with the fucking bloated thread then.

yup you sure will.
you kids are some complainy ass complaintron bitches

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqoFwZUp5vc

I'm guessing that's a product of having more than one popular candidate?

also to do with longer lead time (more press) and much savvier stat-addicted teams in place, shoveling yr snow and sitting yr kids

Carried over from the last thread... You ppl are truly sportsfan nutbagz with the "2% reporting" tea leaves.

Obama -- who I still might vote for -- increasingly strikes me as the New Mario Cuomo: makes kinda pretty speeches hitting the idealistic chords, canny in his votes/governance, endorses scum when playing strategically (Lieberman in CT primary last year for Obama, D'Amato in a Sen race for Cuomo). Of course Obama has the added shining-armor-of-youth factor.

Bill Clinton did not look drunk, acc to Gergen and the Amen Chorus he looked "devastated." LOLOLOLOL

I wish the Chappaqua Hillbillies had waved bye-bye at the camera on that platform last night, with their fixed grins of defeat. Nice touch having Madeleine "Madam Genocide" Albright up front (I though she was Ma Rodham for a second).

Carter probably not much opposition for reelection

uuuuuh, Carter had a death-battle with Ted Kennedy in '80 just to get renominated.

i hope morbs is looking at that cnn table and trying to figure out why edwards won the conservatives and electability-fanboys, and clinton tied in the union households

I leave the inside-baseball to you, honeybunch, cuz I don't give a shit.

clinton campaign complaining abt obama celebrity is soooo absurd

OTFM! "The celebrification of politics" -- yeah, ever since a Warner Bros movie star became the defining prez of modern times.

also, Obama has cuter kids than Cuomo.

^

And less skeletons in his closet (as far as we know anyway.) Also Cuomo couldn't ACTUALLY ever decide to run so really it's a fucking stupid analogy, ain't it?

I wasn't talking about their office-specific ambitions, so no, not that fucking stupid.

What were Mario's skeletoons, aside from Bill Clinton's infamous bimbo-taped remark that "he looks like a mafioso"?

Ya know honestly I can't remember now (was it family? graft?), but wasn't there schtick somewhere? I remember being told that was one of the reason why he never actually ran.

never stopped Gerry Ferraro

Um actually it did.

BEDFORD, N.H. - He flatlined in Iowa and he's struggling in New Hampshire, but Rudy Giuliani shook off the early-state blues Thursday as only he can.

"None of this worries me - Sept. 11, there were times I was worried," Giuliani said.

LOL

haaaa

everything can be compared to 9/11

Grrrr....

Recent re-run Onion headline:

"Giuliani Elected President of 9/11"

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Giuliani.article.jpg

nice Indiana Jones style plane with red line

New Thread, Thank fuck for that.

The more I see Obama speak the more I warm to Edwards. Obama says almost nothing but says it gracefully and sincerely, Edwards has much more substance but somehow I don't believe it when he says it.

New thread, but the old one is thriving in a way that this one is not. Why is that??

gabbneb's stable of acolytes.

At this point, whether a pol believes what he says is irrelevant to me (besides being, to some extent, unknowable). I care is that s/he's held to what s/he runs on, which given the National ADD Culture is admittedly a semi-fantasy.

The more I see Obama speak the more I warm to Edwards. Obama says almost nothing but says it gracefully and sincerely, Edwards has much more substance but somehow I don't believe it when he says it.

Yeah, I feel exactly the same way. I couldn't even watch all of Obama's speech - I found it to be pure meaningless drivel. "Inspiring." "Great speaker."

And yet Edwards says the right things and comes off as disingenuous somehow.

who da fuck do you people expect to see up there, Albert Schweitzer or Desmond Tutu?

(xpost)Um because he is disingenuous maybe?

wow The National Review's The Corner has some LOL stuff today. I won't cut and paste but two entries got me, one said basically, "The biggest Repub. winner in Iowa last night is Rudy because he never planned to win Iowa anyway," and the second said, "Awww I don't want Hilary to lose the nomination because I will miss hating her."

wow The National Review's The Corner has some LOL stuff today

Oh that's for sure. Them, Hewitt, RedState -- lols a-plenty.

Then there's this guy:

http://vodkapundit.com/archives/009372.php

via gawker
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/01/Picture%2034.jpg

lolz @ fat guys in stripes

"Edwards is disingenuous" is the new "Spielberg is manipulative"

voted for the war = fuck him

anybody who thinks huckabee was the stupid option for Iowa goppers didn't watch the same debates I had to sit through. Who were they supposed to pick? Romney? FFS

getting mighty gabbnebby about edwards here morbz

ps why do we have this thread?

BECAUSE WE KNOW WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE

CUZ THE OTHER FUCKING THING IS 8000 POSTS LONG

CUZ WE MIGHT LOSE DARIA

DARIA '08

tombot OTM re Huckabee in the debates. He was easily the most affable and well-spoken - didn't come off like a robot or a giggly madman and made all his responses sound reasonable.

I'm just going to lock the other one.

fuck you people for not being able to get along and form any consensus on how to behave

That's not her fault, but fault isn't the issue.

worth repeating

the whole clintons have baggage / she's polarizing / etc. issue may not be "fair," but it wasn't invented for election season. it's just a fact!

that genie's not going back in the bottle

Plenty of evidence. Rasmussen: 'The reality is that public opinion concerning Hillary Clinton is much more firmly established than it is for any other candidate.' That opinion is far more negative than for any other remaining Presidential candidate, as 47% will vote against her. By contrast, only 33% say they'll definitely vote against McCain.

More later.

Much more to say on these, and I suppose you can find what you want in them. But to suggest that there's no evidence of strong, committed opposition to HRC is ignoring reality, not challenging talking-points.

thanks, daniel. i probably wouldn't have gotten to digging that up until later.

as i tried to point out upthread, the big difference between hart and obama is that hart was running on a shoestring and obama has $$$ like mad, lol internet.

and on another thread, i said this:

it's simplistic but it has a ring of truth: hillary's sell is nuts-n-bolts and obama's is about something a little more metaphysical than that, no? can we have broad agreement on that at least.

not to bring up REAGAN again, but in electoral terms the metaphysicians have thumped the mechanics pretty handily.

(this is getting a little o/t but) there is plenty of hopes-and-dreams stuff attached to HRC's candidacy, and i don't have much doubt about obama's ability -- relative to HRC's -- to engage in 'hard work' or 'trench warfare' to enact policy. the question in my mind is, how do you make the sale, to get in the door, to do the work in the first place?

-- gff, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:15 PM

again, talking about unity and hope and common purpose is a GREAT way to get, surprise!, highly contested and partisan goals put through. i don't see a contradiction at all.

lots of xps

...lol regnery

the Hillary Hatred is as baffling to me as conservative McCain hatred.

conservatives hate their mothers

It's totally possible for me to envision Obama approaching governance like Reagan and his troika did in Reagan's first six months of office, during which they managed to get their economic package with a few votes from Democrats -- due largely to RR's great personal charm and not giving a shit about talking to someone on the other side.

for all the talk of her so-called managerial acumen, she's run a pretty poor campaign for someone who was the prohibitive favorite, yeah?

Hey, I'm as worried about Hillary as the nominee as the next guy, but this is superfluous. It's fucking hard, and strange, and random, to run a presidential campaign--even with Bill's experience with nat'l campaigns, anyone that thought she would 'know how to do it' and therefore have it easy is pretty much an idiot.

Does anyone believe that having whatever skills it takes to win your party's nomination have much relation to the skills it takes to be a president?

ok, healthcare:

hillary needs to require the mandate because, besides being a good populist-sounding talking point, it would give her greater bangaining strength with insurance companies and health care providers. it seems probable to me that these negotiations would be piloted by lobbies who would guarantee their clients' co-operation in exchange for de-regulation or tax-breaks for the insurance and / or health care industries.

am i on the right track so far? y/n? i just want to drill down on this issue because everyone takes for granted that universal health care would be a nearly prohibitive measure to actually enact.

Does anyone believe that having whatever skills it takes to win your party's nomination have much relation to the skills it takes to be a president?

Bill Clinton to thread!

anyone that thought she would 'know how to do it' and therefore have it easy is pretty much an idiot.

so... Bill and Hillary are both idiots?

'it' being 'win the national campaign'

yes I know - they've both repeatedly trumpeted how she's been "vetted" and has the "best set of skills" to fight the Republican attack machine etc

Guys can we have a new primaries thread since this one is retardo long?

I'd say go for it.

agreed

Do the honors, HI DERE

After the GE, tho, we should fuse them all together to make one giant thread.

(j/k)

call it the Denver Death March

noooo they steelin my retardo long thread

I was really hoping for this to break the 10K barrier.

2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING