Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Humans wear suits because the Silence made them invent them and think they looked smart. (wld love to see various Silence in other countries wearing eg dashikis before the end of the year btw)

the crack and its terribly selective approach to such things

EVERYTHING in the universe disappeared eventually (except for the museum), just bit by bit and FASTER AND FASTER as it got closer to the collapse point. The Doctor doesn't notice the ducks are missing until the main body of The Eleventh Hour, which takes place less than 12 hours before the TARDISplosion. At this point they might have been gone from the village for forty years, and the locals still called it a duckpond out of inertia, though no-one remembered when they'd disappeared; but most likely they'd disappeared only hours or days or weeks before, and peoples' memories of ducks being there were all gone, but the memory of calling it a duckpond wasn't.

Surely the spoiler rule was established when the various territories showing Who were not *quite* so synched up?

totally on board with not discussing spoilery stuff until after it's been TXed in Australia / printed in the Australian Radio Times / the guest stars have done Australian breakfast telly / trailers have run on the Australian BBC! great suggestion.

Ha, I totally agree with everything also just said.

uh aldo.

not also.

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Just remembered who the Silence remind me of - Doomlord from the Eagle comic in the 1980s ("Oh no - it's DOOMLORD!").

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Been away, came back and watched a bumper two episode series opening special. Loved it obviously. Yes, found myself thinking 'come on, you're not going to be able to do all this'. But I don't really mind, not too much anyway. Reminds of those batshit Philip K Dick novels where he just piles mind-bending insanity upon mind-bending insanity

As with PKD The options out of these sorts of things tend to be semi-mystical solutions I suppose, but then I thought he handled it pretty well in the first series, and more importantly, I f'ing love it all and find it really really entertaining.

Thought all the River/Amy/Rory stuff was ace. Thought the Doctor performance was about right - liked his insecurity about not knowing what's going on, sudden bursts of cheerfulness and almost gloomy contemplation working quite well w/r/t this.

I'm putting my money on the time child being River (Doctor's known her from the beginning of her life, right?). Oh but yeah, Schrodinger's baby thing - two time streams? One where River conceives, one where Amy conceives? Ok must stop this now - all been covered upthread anyway. But yes, loved it. Fecund, gloriously fun stuff.

Also three years ago US and UK did not get their Who the same day.

― a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:51 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also 2 years ago, and 1 year ago, US did not get their Who on the same day.

― ignore the man behind the parentheses (remy bean), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:21 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also 2 years ago, and 1 year ago, and this year, Australia did not get its Who on the same day. Also, 229 other countries.

Britishers still finding ways to put us over a barrel. Thank you sir may I have another

/joeks luv u

Hand Of Fear is showing next mon / tue on bbc4 in tribute to ES.

(preceeded by Noggin The Nog!)

ELDRAD MUST LIVE.

As I said earlier, Lis is completely awesome in it.

Hand of Fear is awesome, my favourite moments are Sarah Janes fabulous stripey outfit and carrying the hand around in a tupperware box :)

I am half-watching in the chippie over the road from the pub (between buses getting in the way) and I'd swear in a court of law it's running at at least 4x speed due to the level of jump cuts and generally over-excited movement.

"Rory!" "Toby!" "The Tardis!"

Didn't think much of her bedside manner tbh. Or her intelligent medical programming - she's about as smart as the nanogenes in 'the empty child', thinking a gas mask is a genetic part of a human being. If that's medicine in the future i'll stick with the NHS!!11!1!

Was thinking for a minute that Toby was a lil fake stowaway girl pretending to be a boy like in the Sandman and the black spot thing wouldn't work on him out of some Éowyn type gender loophole – "she kills any MAN she touches."

ledge otm – given that the dead space travellers had holo-projection matter transport virtua doctors, you think they'd have AI that could respond to fresh situations (develop antibiotics, getting near-drowned lifeforms back up & running)

so much wrong. after 1/2-way, basically a sequence of 'no wait, why did... but what about... how come the doctor... why is she...?' moments.

& fake death really, really has to stop.

So pirate boy can't go home cos he's gong to die of tuberculosis or whatevs...how about the rest of the crew who only had cut fingers!? Nope, off to space with the lot of you. Thanks a bunch doc!

Pretty awful ep, yeah.

They are going to go battle the Langoliers!

What happened to the pirate who got cut by Toby? He just seemed to disappear off-panel…

It felt after watching the last two episodes like a cold shower. We went back to a very twee and concise story line. I'm not too bothered by the massive loopholes, but did find myself constantly trying to spot answers to the questions left unanswered, which kind of spoilt it in a way. Still, I like the concept of space pirates! It wasn't a terrible episode.

thought it was a just about passable filler episode apart from the tedious overdone oh no rory might die (again) bit and yeah What happened to the pirate who got cut by Toby?

Potential missed with space pirates concept but nice to see the cap'n in the TARDIS (are they going for one guest passenger a week?)

Aw come on it wasn't that bad. Quite liked the gesture towards Dr Who as Hornblower type. Sure was a frivolous episode, but it was fun enough. Was kinda hoping Rory wd die, mind. Doc could only heal anything that looked like damage. It wasn't that good I suppose, but for something to come back to after the pub, it served.

how could she cure the boy of TB but not cure the alium captain of a simple cold?

also not entirely convinced that the surface of the sea is the source of "a perfect reflection," even in becalming conditions

v v poor script editing to have one freudian joke about the Cap'n having a small willy, on the gangplank, then another one about him having nothing to worry about, dicksizewise, amidships a few minutes later. this was not much allayed by the Doctor referring again to the second one later and saying he didn't mean it.

still! I wasn't expecting anything from this ep, and it was probably fun enough for kiddies, so I'm happy to twiddle my thumbs plotwise until the next Moffatt story.

You guys! Kenny from Press Gang is the boatswain <3

Didnt enjoy that at all, really. Everything felt very forced and cold and herky-jerky, like a party where everyone is pretending to have fun. And the story didnt make any sense. Boo. But yay Kenny the Boatswain

I watched it with a bunch of mates, and kept saying that it was kenny from press gang! Nobody believed me, thanks for confirmation!

As soon as I saw him I knew I recognised him, but it took a while to surface, lol

What makes me laugh is that he has acted on different stuff, but he will always be kenny from press gang. God, I loved that show!

Oh god me too. Worshipped that show. I still squee over Dexter Fletcher & he is hella old now!

Despite my nitpick upthread I thought it was an ok episode, throwaway silly fun but fun all the same. Although I did almost throw my guitar at the screen after the rory resuscitation scene.

Daft filler is just as much part of Doctor Who as the season-plot-type episodes. This wasn't an exceptional example -- Hugh B didn't look he was having much fun (where was the ham?) -- but still so, so much better than Doctor's Daughter/Fear Her etc. etc.

I liked the e-tard reference point. "Everything brilliant", "music turns them into fools"

That was some rotten CPR too. She didn't seal his nose, her compressions were rubbish, and she gave it, what, a minute before she gave up and started crying? I like to think my loved ones would try a bit harder than that.

Way too much sonic screwdriver action. And Rory-death is getting way too kenny-from-south-park. Meh episode after the top form of the first two. And aye, wouldn't want Amy as my designated first aider.

much prefer rory in superhuman heroic mode (guarding amy for a 1000 years) than damsel in distress role

it was basically flagged up as filler at the end of the last ep, you get what you pay for sort of thing

katerine jenkins looking different

I have no problem with fillers...but the mere fact of it being a filler ep isnt the problem, nor a good enough explanation of why its okay...it was clumsy and hamhanded, and I maintain poorly written. They introduced the curse & the siren too quickly, and so the "mystery" of it got old by the halfway mark ....i didnt care abt Capt Bonneville or his son, and omg the siren's true purpose was a big eyeroll.

though not caring abt Capt Bonneville is not to say I didnt like him bc oh I do <3

I did love the ending where they're now pirates in space.

god this was the stupidest episode of the moffett era so far, i think. nothing to redeem it except for like two seconds of space pirates at the end. also, most unbelievable pirates since douglas fairbanks.

Captain's son, I expect, will be able to shoot lasers out of his eyes sometime in the near-future.

That was some rotten CPR too. She didn't seal his nose, her compressions were rubbish, and she gave it, what, a minute before she gave up and started crying? I like to think my loved ones would try a bit harder than that.

Isn't there a risk of actually cracking ribs during proper chest compressions? But yeah, Rory was all, "I want you to do it because I know you'll never give up on me." And, as you noted, after a minute, she gives up on him.

Rubbish pirates, yeah. Rubbish Siren as well - too perfume ad/Muse album cover - but then I don't really get the fascination with Lily Cole.

god this was the stupidest episode of the moffett era so far, i think.

Wasn't great, wasn't anywhere near as bad as the Van Gogh episode. Can't muster up much other than 'meh' really, quite slow pacing I thought. Next week's looks intruiging.

Why didn't you like Vincent and the Doctor?

And Rory-death is getting way too kenny-from-south-park.

Bahahahaha

I couldn't believe a nurse was so bad at giving CPR instructions. "ABC, Amy – airway, breathing, circulation" w/a little explication takes as long to say as "I know you have seen it on TV a thousand times and also I know you will never give up and also also I wuv you!" Also lol at how fast she did in fact give up before he was like 'fuck, better start gasping for air I guess, she's started with the waterworks.'

rory rory are you ok?

rory rory are you ok?

Am lolling heavily here - pretty sure I'm not the only one who over-performed "baby, baby - are you OK?" to my classmates. We were pretty much trying to top each other in the name of melodramatic subversion.

I don't think anything could be worse than the Vincent Van Gogh episode. Rubbish monster, rubbish plot, rubbish script, rubbish acting, and truly the most hideously appalling music choice in a vile attempt to stir emotion. The only emotion it stirred in me was repulsion.

she gave it, what, a minute before she gave up and started crying? I like to think my loved ones would try a bit harder than that.

It's TV. Did you really want a 70 minute episode with 25 minutes of CPR?

Meh episode. So many cuts that they actually managed to confuse themselves enough to lose a pirate.

Actually, 25 minutes of CPR would have been preferable to 15 minutes of infernal bloody Murray Gold heavenly voice crap. But I'd rather they not have included any CPR at all if they were just going to do it so shittily.

Isn't there a risk of actually cracking ribs during proper chest compressions?

The risk is not *that* great. Also, as the instructor on my recent first aid course pointed out, would you rather be dead, or alive with a cracked rib?

but it's always done that way - even in LOST with an actual doctor doing the reviving no-one ever got more than a couple of minutes of Jack-hammer.