Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Also three years ago US and UK did not get their Who the same day.

also 2 years ago, and 1 year ago, US did not get their Who on the same day.

Poll was in 2008, hence 'three years ago' caveat. ANYWAY maybe we should do a re-run?

maybe clean up the definitions a little too; you've got some tl;dr going on, i suspect

What?

actual TX sync isn't really the issue tho right? esp. given how rare it is. people usually avoid threads until they've seen the latest episode of a show (as i did with the Lost and BGalactica threads - spoilers seem to matter much more with SF huh?).

Corden spoiler is more of an issue because it indicates that the events of The Lodger will be addressed...but I would've thought people were expecting that anyway esp. after seeing the DIY TARDIS interior in the new episodes.

'Next week' reveals are what the makers want you to know ie mild/reasonable spoilers. I agree it shouldn't come before the credits tho.

I thought the first two-parter was OK, but suffered from Too Many Questions syndrome - Moff has built a plot that has mystery on mystery on mystery and there's a real danger that he can't resolve it all without having an ep which is just River Explains It All. She annoyed me from the outset with her smug "spoilers" line, but the ire grows as the weeks pass and she becomes more involved in the Audrey Neffinger plot (not spoilery, as I have no idea whether that's true but it certainly looks like where it's going).

Didn't like the shootout at the end, especially River shooting the Silent that she wasn't looking at.

Time Babby has the potential to be the worst plot ever, to be honest. Much as I hated Rusty, it looks like it negates his whole DoctorDonna plot.

At the end of the day, I don't like wibbly wobbly lumpy bumpy etc. It smacks to me of lazy writing and is just as much of a Deus Ex Machina as Rusty's Big Red Reset Button. And to be honest when this episode featured disembodied moving space suits, a small girl looking for her mummy, writing from another time appearing on walls and monsters that changed position when you weren't looking at them I felt like teaching the Moff's pony another trick myself.

I'm enjoying it far more than the Rusty era though, especially now Amy has stopped being Dommy P.

Amy is much better in this series yeah.

Time Babby has the potential to be the worst plot ever, to be honest.

Haha you're just masochistically wishing it to be shit at this point aren't you?

mysteries remaining (or things i just don't understand)

1) time baby in amy not really preggers but kind of sort of
2) who was in the spacesuit
3) why does the doctor die / what's going on with the doctor dying – which is really part of question 2)
4) the crappy TARDIS from the Lodger
5) who /is/ Amy Pond, and how do you know it's a duckpond if there are no ducks? also where were her parents
6) regenerating little girl
7) other things i missed?

It's a duck pond if you duck witches in it as well.

7) WHY ARE THE SILENCE WEARING SUITS (what did they wear before they got humans to invent suits?)

re 5) her parents and the ducks (and the Daleks) were de-existed by the crack and its terribly selective approach to such things

Maybe the Silence just like to look cool?

You never know when there's going to be a lady Silence around.

they all look alike to me /racist

i feel like there is still a big mystery about little amelia pond,...?

However my theory that River Song is a future regeneration of the Doctor is pretty much shot now they've snogged.

If Rusty was still in charge, I'd say that The Doctor and River snogging would be confirmation that River is a future regeneration of the Doctor.

campy wampy

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2011/5/4/1304514782556/The-Silence-007.jpg

Humans wear suits because the Silence made them invent them and think they looked smart. (wld love to see various Silence in other countries wearing eg dashikis before the end of the year btw)

the crack and its terribly selective approach to such things

EVERYTHING in the universe disappeared eventually (except for the museum), just bit by bit and FASTER AND FASTER as it got closer to the collapse point. The Doctor doesn't notice the ducks are missing until the main body of The Eleventh Hour, which takes place less than 12 hours before the TARDISplosion. At this point they might have been gone from the village for forty years, and the locals still called it a duckpond out of inertia, though no-one remembered when they'd disappeared; but most likely they'd disappeared only hours or days or weeks before, and peoples' memories of ducks being there were all gone, but the memory of calling it a duckpond wasn't.

Surely the spoiler rule was established when the various territories showing Who were not *quite* so synched up?

totally on board with not discussing spoilery stuff until after it's been TXed in Australia / printed in the Australian Radio Times / the guest stars have done Australian breakfast telly / trailers have run on the Australian BBC! great suggestion.

Ha, I totally agree with everything also just said.

uh aldo.

not also.

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Just remembered who the Silence remind me of - Doomlord from the Eagle comic in the 1980s ("Oh no - it's DOOMLORD!").

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkj9d2Q7Oc1qeahkio1_400.gif

Been away, came back and watched a bumper two episode series opening special. Loved it obviously. Yes, found myself thinking 'come on, you're not going to be able to do all this'. But I don't really mind, not too much anyway. Reminds of those batshit Philip K Dick novels where he just piles mind-bending insanity upon mind-bending insanity

As with PKD The options out of these sorts of things tend to be semi-mystical solutions I suppose, but then I thought he handled it pretty well in the first series, and more importantly, I f'ing love it all and find it really really entertaining.

Thought all the River/Amy/Rory stuff was ace. Thought the Doctor performance was about right - liked his insecurity about not knowing what's going on, sudden bursts of cheerfulness and almost gloomy contemplation working quite well w/r/t this.

I'm putting my money on the time child being River (Doctor's known her from the beginning of her life, right?). Oh but yeah, Schrodinger's baby thing - two time streams? One where River conceives, one where Amy conceives? Ok must stop this now - all been covered upthread anyway. But yes, loved it. Fecund, gloriously fun stuff.

Also three years ago US and UK did not get their Who the same day.

― a modest broposal (suzy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:51 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also 2 years ago, and 1 year ago, US did not get their Who on the same day.

― ignore the man behind the parentheses (remy bean), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:21 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also 2 years ago, and 1 year ago, and this year, Australia did not get its Who on the same day. Also, 229 other countries.

Britishers still finding ways to put us over a barrel. Thank you sir may I have another

/joeks luv u

Hand Of Fear is showing next mon / tue on bbc4 in tribute to ES.

(preceeded by Noggin The Nog!)

ELDRAD MUST LIVE.

As I said earlier, Lis is completely awesome in it.

Hand of Fear is awesome, my favourite moments are Sarah Janes fabulous stripey outfit and carrying the hand around in a tupperware box :)

I am half-watching in the chippie over the road from the pub (between buses getting in the way) and I'd swear in a court of law it's running at at least 4x speed due to the level of jump cuts and generally over-excited movement.

"Rory!" "Toby!" "The Tardis!"

Didn't think much of her bedside manner tbh. Or her intelligent medical programming - she's about as smart as the nanogenes in 'the empty child', thinking a gas mask is a genetic part of a human being. If that's medicine in the future i'll stick with the NHS!!11!1!

Was thinking for a minute that Toby was a lil fake stowaway girl pretending to be a boy like in the Sandman and the black spot thing wouldn't work on him out of some Éowyn type gender loophole – "she kills any MAN she touches."

ledge otm – given that the dead space travellers had holo-projection matter transport virtua doctors, you think they'd have AI that could respond to fresh situations (develop antibiotics, getting near-drowned lifeforms back up & running)

so much wrong. after 1/2-way, basically a sequence of 'no wait, why did... but what about... how come the doctor... why is she...?' moments.

& fake death really, really has to stop.

So pirate boy can't go home cos he's gong to die of tuberculosis or whatevs...how about the rest of the crew who only had cut fingers!? Nope, off to space with the lot of you. Thanks a bunch doc!

Pretty awful ep, yeah.

They are going to go battle the Langoliers!

What happened to the pirate who got cut by Toby? He just seemed to disappear off-panel…

It felt after watching the last two episodes like a cold shower. We went back to a very twee and concise story line. I'm not too bothered by the massive loopholes, but did find myself constantly trying to spot answers to the questions left unanswered, which kind of spoilt it in a way. Still, I like the concept of space pirates! It wasn't a terrible episode.

thought it was a just about passable filler episode apart from the tedious overdone oh no rory might die (again) bit and yeah What happened to the pirate who got cut by Toby?

Potential missed with space pirates concept but nice to see the cap'n in the TARDIS (are they going for one guest passenger a week?)

Aw come on it wasn't that bad. Quite liked the gesture towards Dr Who as Hornblower type. Sure was a frivolous episode, but it was fun enough. Was kinda hoping Rory wd die, mind. Doc could only heal anything that looked like damage. It wasn't that good I suppose, but for something to come back to after the pub, it served.

how could she cure the boy of TB but not cure the alium captain of a simple cold?

also not entirely convinced that the surface of the sea is the source of "a perfect reflection," even in becalming conditions

v v poor script editing to have one freudian joke about the Cap'n having a small willy, on the gangplank, then another one about him having nothing to worry about, dicksizewise, amidships a few minutes later. this was not much allayed by the Doctor referring again to the second one later and saying he didn't mean it.

still! I wasn't expecting anything from this ep, and it was probably fun enough for kiddies, so I'm happy to twiddle my thumbs plotwise until the next Moffatt story.

You guys! Kenny from Press Gang is the boatswain <3

Didnt enjoy that at all, really. Everything felt very forced and cold and herky-jerky, like a party where everyone is pretending to have fun. And the story didnt make any sense. Boo. But yay Kenny the Boatswain

I watched it with a bunch of mates, and kept saying that it was kenny from press gang! Nobody believed me, thanks for confirmation!

As soon as I saw him I knew I recognised him, but it took a while to surface, lol

What makes me laugh is that he has acted on different stuff, but he will always be kenny from press gang. God, I loved that show!

Oh god me too. Worshipped that show. I still squee over Dexter Fletcher & he is hella old now!

Despite my nitpick upthread I thought it was an ok episode, throwaway silly fun but fun all the same. Although I did almost throw my guitar at the screen after the rory resuscitation scene.

Daft filler is just as much part of Doctor Who as the season-plot-type episodes. This wasn't an exceptional example -- Hugh B didn't look he was having much fun (where was the ham?) -- but still so, so much better than Doctor's Daughter/Fear Her etc. etc.