i would be interested in beyonce/sleigh bells as long as it didn't sound like beyonce doing sleigh bells karaoke
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 April 2011 09:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't know what you guys are all up in arms about, B's been fucking with sleigh bells for a decade
― some dude, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ur a true dad, some dude.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
lest we forget the definitive vocal of "pon de floor", though:
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 14:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^I should probably avoid pop/r&b music websites for the next year. I can smell the trolls using this saying how much a "thief" Beyonce is because someone already put a vocal to the song.
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
well in fairness no one has heard that, so I'm pretty sure you're safe
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
is anyone else hoping for Beyonce to do a daggering video?
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^Pop trolls are a sneaky bunch, you never what they will uncover to prove their point of hating an artists so much. I remember during B'Day, people slagged on Beyonce on the song "Resentment" because she apparently changed one word and got a songwriting credit. The song was already recorded by Jazmine Sullivan & Victoria Beckham with very similar song lyrics.
Back to the song, "Girls (Who Run The World)" is like a combination of Beyonce's shouty, attitude-driven B'Day voice and her explicit girl power anthems of Survivor. I hope it's not the finished version because Diplo's production is lazy if this is all he can come up with. Beyonce really does carry the song. Hopefully the final version's music will match her vocal delivery.
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
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nah us trolls are still trying to find a way to call Diplo a thief while people are using drums from his gross cartoon Jamaican stereotype creation
― some dude, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^^Speaking of Diplo being called a thief:
http://www.racialicious.com/2011/04/13/it%E2%80%99s-complicated-djs-appropriation-and-a-whole-host-of-other-ish/
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
i don't know when everyone on pop websites started talking like some sort of drag queen parody, but i could live without seeing phrases like "wig-snatching" etc for a while. idk those people are mental, also really stupid.
i said on twitter how much i enjoy the riddimification of beats like "pon de floor" - princess nyah's far from the only one to have done it, there were a few others at the time and then obviously there's "ass on the floor". i like how that riddimification can enter mainstream pop rather than just being limited to hot mixtape cuts, too (and it's not like it's beyoncé's first foray into this world, cf "diva" which was basically reheated 'a milli" (another song that fared really well as a pop riddim)). anyway going on about how it's not a new beat is akin to shouting at lumidee for "never leave you" because other artists used the diwali riddim.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
as for diplo, haven't there been articles about his appropriation for the best part of half a decade? they had truth to them then, they still do, he seems like a bit of a twat and i'll never be able to fully cosign him but he's not worthless by any means. still giving most of the "pon de floor" credit to switch though.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
YES
i don't know when everyone on pop websites started talking like some sort of drag queen parody, but i could live without seeing phrases like "wig-snatching" etc for a while.
my (ok largely uneducated) guess is since the new season of 'rupaul's drag race' started
― boehner und der club of gore (donna rouge), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
still giving most of the "pon de floor" credit to switch though.otm
― just sayin, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ahh yeah duh Switch!!!! I keep forgetting his existence though I like everything he does by himself. Just found out he co-produced "Girls..." so I have a little hope.
Yeah it seems to be two modes for people talking about this genre. It's either drag queen parody or the hard gangster parody. It's really draining to read after awhile.
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
i said on twitter how much i enjoy the riddimification of beats like "pon de floor" - princess nyah's far from the only one to have done it, there were a few others at the time and then obviously there's "ass on the floor".
lol lex, I was just making a joke about no one knowing that Princess Nyah song! obv I agree conceptually with you 100% re: the validity of beat-stealing arguments (ie, they are stupid unless the song sucks, and even then the reason the song sucks is usually not because the beat was used somewhere else first)
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
how dare beyonce let lil jon scream shit all over hew new single!
http://gawker.com/#!5793560/beyonces-new-single-is-all-kinds-of-bad
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
ugh gawker really???
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
congrats Gawker for making me like this even more
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
also lol @ dude for complaining about Lil Jon... and then linking a version on the article that doesn't have the interruption he's complaining about
anyway as someone who lost the "Irreplaceable" argument, I feel I can authoritatively state that no one gives two shits about the quality of Beyonce's lyrics
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Maura's take.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Gawker is the website version of the gay male/straight female doing a drag queen parody.
Beyonce has always been about loud noise and anthemic chants. As the listener, you don't know who she is as a person.
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh thanks for the mod who changed the thread title.
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
Beyonce has always struck me as being a really sweet, demure person who, if you displeased her, would shyly take your hand and slowly, lovingly pull off your fingers one by one.
but yeah, you don't really know who she is based on her songs
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dunno i feel like i've gotten a very good idea of what a beautiful, talented, soulful robot she is from her songs
― some dude, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
i get the impression from her songs that beyoncé is a really private person who is determined not to let anyone see the "real her", and who's got the chutzpah to get away with that. and that she really, really loves money. not (just) in the flashy bling way that's pop's common currency, i mean really loves money like a hedge fund owner loves money. actually beyoncé is pretty much the hedge fund of the pop industry.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
the best look into her personality imo is rich juz's concert video cut ups
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
idk she does ridic camp pretty well but i don't think she's as invested in it all like céline dion is (speaking of someone who rich's concert video cut-ups enabled me to see in a genuinely new light)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
not but it at least shows that she has a sense of humor, which you would barely detect otherwise
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
the non-demo of this that incorporates those squealing synths from 'pon de floor' is better than the version that leaked last night
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah the synths make it that much huger
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
Not a fan of this, it's overstuffed and kind of aimless...
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Judas" is definitely better, if we're comparing
― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
call me a prude but i would argue against cutely bandying terms like riddimification around seriously for stuff that doesnt relate to either an actual riddim or evoke riddim culture however diasporic it may be. stuff jacking stuff is as old as the hills, there has to be some sort of effort of distinction to preserve the term's meaning, even if that meaning can seem liminal and instinctive.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'll just wait for the Pomplamoose cover.
― An A-Team of Apes. (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:46 (1 hour ago) Bookmark
and lmao at battered ciara stans taking the high ground
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's not just "stuff jacking stuff" though is it, it's reusing the actual same beat. "riddimification" is just a handy way of clearing things up for people who think she's just copying/ripping off
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
she is though! and if the swag is strong, who cares?
i mean yeah ok i do see what you're saying though, but it's just a little too pricey as reductions go imo.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
i tend to think of ripping off as something that people try to keep people from noticing, or don't admit to. born this way/express yourself. whereas that this song is beyoncé over pon de floor is the point of it, really.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
― lex pretend, Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:33 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark
and by afaict equating just the snare drum pattern with the entire "beat" (i.e. all of the instrumentation) you're either willfully bending the truth or demonstrating an inability to tell the difference
― some dude, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol @ gaga trying to "get away" with biting a gigantic iconic hit but beyonce using a bit of a bloggy niche dance hit is all about low key transparency
― some dude, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
um...
the entire "Pon De Floor" beat is in there; the clavicle, the sub bass drum, all of the sound effects... the only thing missing is the lead synth line
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
my "afaict" was an insufficient CYA move for not bothing to re-listen to both songs before posting, i see
― some dude, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
although fwiw my point stands that if there is a prominent musical element like a synth line added or subtracted from one track to the next "riddim" is probably not the right term to use
― some dude, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
i havent heard the CDQ version yet but...
the non-demo of this that incorporates those squealing synths from 'pon de floor' is better than the version that leaked last night― J0rdan S., Tuesday, April 19, 2011 8:20 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark
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― just sayin, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
so then Wayne Wonder, Lumidee and Sean Paul didn't all use the Diwali riddim?
note that prominent musical elements (synth lines) have been added/subtracted across all three songs
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
aw i really want to hear this and it's gone from youtube and i'm not going sketchier than that at the office
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
(ftr I don't think this is a "riddim" either, but that is mostly because there is zero connection between Beyonce and dancehall; it seems a lot easier to make that argument that it does to make easily-disprovable-via-legit-riddim-examples arguments)
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
(With "Love on Top" as the best. Wish it had gone bigger.)
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's still a huge mystery to me that "countdown" just was not a hit at all
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
like not even a minor one. like even "run the world" had way more cultural impact.
As one of the world's only "Countdown" haters, I reluctantly agree. That thing should've taken over.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
kind of indifferent to "Climax"
"Countdown" was definitely a minor hit -- around the beginning of the year it and "Love On Top" climbed the R&B charts neck-and-neck for a while, then "Countdown" stalled at No. 12 and "Top" went to No. 1. I heard it a lot for a while there.
― some former lust object you've shamefully forgotten (some dude), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
in a landscape dominated by bombastic eurohouse and Adele-esque throwbacks, you expected "Countdown" to be huge?
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Best Thing" had the highest Hot 100 peak but that's kind of an iTunes-driven thing because it was the first halfway palatable single in line after "Run The World" flopped, it definitely didn't get the kind of radio spins that "Love On Top" and "Party" got later (xpost)
― some former lust object you've shamefully forgotten (some dude), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
huh, apparently "End of Time" is being released as a UK single next week, which i guess is maybe why Tracer Hand revived the thread.
― some former lust object you've shamefully forgotten (some dude), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Song I've listen to the most after "Love on Top" is "Rather Die Young."
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I got caught singing "Love on Top" to myself on the bus the other day :/
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
some dude, yeah. it's already all over the radio over here
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
i heard both "countdown" and "love on top" on r&b radio quite a bit! "party" as well come to think of it. so yeah, they didn't get much attn on top 40 and didn't sell a ton, but i would still call them minor hits at least
― teledyldonix, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
am i the only one who hears echoes of "father figure" by george michael in the chorus?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 April 2012 08:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
"countdown" never grabbed me as much as love on top or best I never had, but I can acknowledge why people like it
― dayo, Friday, 20 April 2012 11:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
rtc linked this interview on another thread with "Countdown" producer Lamb that has some cool info about the origin of the song: http://youknowigotsoul.com/?p=17193
― lathe darkman (some dude), Friday, 20 April 2012 12:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
i tried reading that this morning... has to be one of the worst edited interviews i've ever read
― yologram (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
Maybe it was attempting to mirror the song's production.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
― teledyldonix, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
The editor going TEN...NINE as the reporter approached deadline
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
reverend otm re: "party"
― omar little, Sunday, 29 July 2012 05:27 (10 months ago) Permalink
that song has the best harmonies
― The Reverend, Sunday, 29 July 2012 08:54 (10 months ago) Permalink
http://www.splicetoday.com/writing/choice-excerpts-from-beyonc-knowles-selected-letters-vol-1
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 3 September 2012 03:06 (9 months ago) Permalink
i cant imagine 1+1 underperforming tbh
― lebroner (D-40), Friday, June 10, 2011 12:24 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Still think 1+1 is a hit
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:34 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
As in a song destined to be one
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:35 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Still think 1+1 will be a hit hold this against me later
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:16 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
heh just heard this song for the first time in like 8 months and remembered how utterly confident deej was about it how big it was going to be
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:56 (7 months ago) Permalink
Why wasn't it released as a proper single though? So weird.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:58 (7 months ago) Permalink
i'm pretty much in denial that "1+1", "love on top" and "countdown" WEREN'T huge hits. it makes no sense. they felt massive, they felt ubiquitous, they were amazing, and i plan to continue ignoring any and all evidence to the contrary
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:00 (7 months ago) Permalink
it was the year of COUNTDOWN and SUPERBASS and that is just obvious
even for an album where the radio hits it had didn't have super obvious radio potential, i dunno i have a hard time picturing it in that light. (xpost)
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, "Love On Top" was huge in my world. I'm not interested in deviating from that alternate narrative.
― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
in my world, "End of Time" was a single
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
"Love On Top" will prob be one of the top 5 biggest R&B songs of 2012 when Billboard does its year-end charts. still hear "Countdown" on the radio pretty regularly too.
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
I heard Love on Top an awful lot on R&B radio in the spring ,yeah.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:05 (7 months ago) Permalink
it was kinda neat that it ended up peaking around the time she gave birth, in light of the VMA performance
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
love on top never really made a huge chart impact afaik but it was - and is - quite popular amongst my peers
― monotony, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
a student in one of my classes plans to use 1+1 as one of her examples in an essay i just assigned and i dorked out to a ridiculous degree when i discovered it. still love that song the most.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:05 (7 months ago) Permalink
bet that kid's algebra teacher is less thrilled with them
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
'love on top' and 'party,' especially, were on the radio all the time down here. and then randomly 'dance with you' was really big for a minute too
― Jacques_Lamure, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:05 (7 months ago) Permalink
yeah "Dance With You" is pretty inescapable at the moment. kinda don't know how that one was left off the album proper.
― burrito smalls (some dude), Thursday, 25 October 2012 04:18 (7 months ago) Permalink
The 3 bonus tracks are the ones I listen to most now.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 25 October 2012 06:38 (7 months ago) Permalink
Schoolin, Life is probably my favorite song on the whole album.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Thursday, 25 October 2012 08:05 (7 months ago) Permalink
http://bit.ly/V9N7ly
― markers, Monday, 11 February 2013 05:52 (4 months ago) Permalink