2008 Primaries Thread

durbin is actually a representative here

durbin started the "draft ('draft') obama" movement

but ok

my man George Miller has come out for O, considered a signifier of where Pelosi's sympathies lie

Brand Hillary - http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4114520&page=1

i just misread the Edmund Hillary RIP thread title. hmnn...

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As with his endorsement of Lieberman in '06...

Apparently Ned Lamont disagrees with your assessment...

rove is a despicable human being, but.. are "trash talking" and "playing pickup basketball" really offensive racial code?

he's saying that O, like Harold Ford before him, isn't really like that nice, clean-living JC Watts. he's calling him a Sprewell, rather than a Grant Hill (who's endorsed O, btw, even tho his mom once roomed with C). the people who like that sort of thing can come up with the bad words on their own, just like the people who get off on his calling O "prissy." but I dunno, maybe we should give karl rove the benefit of the doubt, you know?

rove is a despicable human being, but.. are "trash talking" and "playing pickup basketball" really offensive racial code?

Yes, it is.

dont forget "lazy"

I'm really not getting it. Trash talking isn't serious, it's part of the game. Trying and failing to understand why anyone would be like "He's competitive at sports..? Oh hell, I'm not voting for THAT guy." This is America dude.

The "lazy" part is shitty (the RNC's done press releases saying that before) but I'm just saying, the stuff about basketball seems like kind of a stretch

"You're callin' ME lazy? Let me get back to ya after some of this here coffee..."

http://www.baldiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/fred-thompson.jpg

http://www.baldiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/fred-thompson.jpg

I'm really not getting it.

Thompson's gonna endorse McCain tomorrow, maybe?

wow @ daria.

woe be to obama if he takes the bait (any part of this campaign season becomes an all-out 'referendum' on race and/or gender = goodbye dems; hence, goodbye dems) but still wow. this is what i was alluding to when I said talk radio could easily play saboteur but post-imus (lol) i figured it would have to be instigated by someone with nothing to lose, enter one rove.

Some have argued that Rove has a legacy to protect and a bet on which candidate will best protect it - http://intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com/2007/08/karl-roveclinton-gambit.html

But what if it's more than a bet? What if, say, Bill made a non-aggression pact with HW - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/18/bill-clinton-george-hw-bush-will-help-president-hillary/

More on Miller - http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/10/193650/880/621/434673

wtf bill

anyone watching the GOP debate? NROWorld's gloating that Big Fred's doin' great.

NROWorld being addicted to one-liners as they are, no wonder they think that.

a thompson revival would be an excellent subplot to this already rich campaign season

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/7684/thumbs/r-GOP-DEBATE-SC-large.jpg

frank lutz's focus group luvs thompson

btw frank lutz's fox news focus groups are the nadir of human civilization

^^^^ This.

McCain (to audience about Huck):

"FUCKWIT!"

Gah. I pray Huckabee crushes McCain like a grape in South Carolina.

LOLZ:

...Was Thompson's performance tonight a one-off? The old lion finally, overawingly—but, alas, temporarily—roused? Will he settle back into slumber tomorrow? And just what was he up to? Clawing Huckabee out of sheer annoyance? Or establishing himself as king of the jungle? And if the latter, why not a paw or two in the direction of McCain?

uh yah why ever could that be?

lol @ Furry Fred Thompson

of course making a deal with BushCo would be totally out-of-character for the Clintons this go-round - http://www.newsweek.com/id/69545 (and http://www.slate.com/id/2177540/nav/fix/#burklecoup)

"President Clinton believes in redemption and moving forward," says spokeswoman Jennifer Hanley.

amazingly, so does BushCo! - http://www.newsinkling.org/cia-leak-investigation/waxman-white-house-is-blocking-fitzgeralds-cooperation-in-plame.html

and, oh look, the Clintons' book agent got Rove a book deal with Carville's wife - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/orl-a2fill2207dec22,0,2196213.story. Who, as it happens, was a member of the White House Iraq Group, and is reported to have testified before the Plame grand jury.

hey, who do you think might be attorney general in a Clinton administration? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/nyregion/11cuomo.html?ref=us

nice job linking to mickey kaus homie

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/123107Parry.shtml

I like Huckabee, but this might have been slightly over the top ...

Mention of the recent confrontation between Iranian patrol boats and U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf triggered a lot of tough talk and saber rattling from the group, with Huckabee warning the Iranians that if they had been any more provocative, "The next thing you see are the gates of Hell."

slightly

full-court press: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=3892297&page=1

wtf @ daria not getting the racial coding of basketball and trash talking but reading sexism into any criticisms of hillary ever

wtf @ gabbneb for exactly the converse!

(the converse actually being prevalent, and woven into the press discourse about her!!)

from that rove link upthread:

Naturally, this leads to speculation that Rove wants Senator Clinton to prevail in next year's primaries because he perceives her as the Democrats weakest candidate.

this is kinda what i was saying before about rove's comments about obama and hillary. makes more sense, too, now that bush has allegedly been saying that clinton will most likely be the nominee.

maybe i just see this is because i do think hillary is the weaker candidate, i don't know. but i wouldn't be surprised if rove/bush think so, too, and that they're not optimistic about republican chances if obama is the nominee.

Maybe Rove wants you to think he thinks she's the weakest. It's turtles all the way down.

Senator Barack Obama's campaign wasted no time in responding to the President.

"I can't tell if Bush is endorsing Hillary, hoping she's the nominee, or thanking her for her votes on Iraq and Iran," Obama, D-Ill., spokesperson Bill Burton told ABC News.

ZONG

source?

oops, nevermind, got it

bottom line about all the supposed Rove psy-ops is that Rove doesn't really know for sure who the stronger candidate will be and also doesn't know for sure who the Republican contender will be, so there's no point in trying to read him.

kerry endorses obama
bush 'endorses' clinton

haahahaaaaa

ned lamont (the guy who bumped lieberman from the dem party in '06, then lost to him) endorses obama

bottom line about all the supposed Rove psy-ops is that Rove doesn't really know for sure who the stronger candidate will be and also doesn't know for sure who the Republican contender will be, so there's no point in trying to read him.

OTM. Myths of Rove's omniscience way, way overrated. The tortured analysis that people are applying to his every comment is overdone. First he criticizes Hillary (then the front-runner), and people assume that he is trying to boost her by criticizing her. Then he criticizes Obama (at that time the front-runner), and people assume that, well, he is still trying to boost Hillary. Maybe he just likes to criticize Democrats?

That's just what he wants you to *BANG*