I love the comments btwhttp://crystalvibrations.blogspot.com/2011/02/hypnogogic-sound-vibration-tape.html
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
RIP Volcanic Tongue
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
Picked up David Keenan's novel 'This Is Memorial Device' in a charity shop the other day and was surprised to find what I am convinced is myself mentioned in it very very briefly in passing early on in the book. My fleeting appearance is rather negative, but it's not an unfair description and has amused me greatly. Other than that, the book seems pretty promising from the first few chapters.
― brain (krakow), Thursday, 9 January 2020 19:45 (four years ago) link
haha wow, that's amazing (as in the superlative, not as in surprising, obviously, given how often you and keenan will have rubbed shoulders). subject matter is v much up my street despite my reservations on mr keenan as a writer
― bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link
I got super confused when I saw this yesterday:
https://images.roughtrade.com/product/images/files/000/185/505/hero/open-uri20191205-9868-1gwqcsx?1575557819
― Death to (NickB), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link
Amazed that I never posted on this thread
I've never felt any ire toward neologisms like "hypnagogic pop" because widely-regarded genre tags seem to take forever to stick, and sticking them to a particular scene has always been folly unless you're a purist. Grouping a bunch of contemporary sounds under a tag, regardless of some variation, is more of a shorthand way of saying "if you like this band, you may also like these others" and retroactively throwing prior work in there seems like an extension of the same.
Now we have data science analyzing listening habits and the likes of Spotify giving us monikers like "Escape Room" that qualify groups of artists that listeners seem to seek in parallel
― babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
"Escape Room"?!?
https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-one-of-my-top-genres-on-spotify-a886372f003f
shit's getting weird
― The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
'Hypnagogic pop' doesn't strike me as sillier than 'impressionism' or 'cubism'.
― pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:49 (four years ago) link
never forgethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microhouse
― babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 10 January 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
'Microhouse' is fine. 'Buftech', on the other hand…
― pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link
buftech probably makes a lot more sense in its origin language
― babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
Isn't that what they call beefsteak in New Zealand?
― Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link
"conceptronica"
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link
"Escape Room"?!?https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-one-of-my-top-genres-on-spotify-a886372f003fshit's getting weird― The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, January 10, 2020 6:46 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, January 10, 2020 6:46 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Hm, not bad stuff. Would I be able to hear this on night out at the escape club?
― ☮️ (peace, man), Friday, 10 January 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link
every bar becomes an escape room scenario at some point in the night
― babu frik fan account (mh), Friday, 10 January 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
"UK Funky" is one of those genre names that riles me up just looking at it. (I have no idea what it sounds like, I'm sure I would totally like it.)
― henry s, Friday, 10 January 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link
should have called it BritFunk
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link
Level 42 and others already did that in the late 70s/early 80s
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link
Blame Glenn McDonald.
― MarkoP, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:33 (four years ago) link
wank sock
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 11 January 2020 00:44 (four years ago) link
had a hypnogogic moment where i got confused by the fact he has the name same as someone i know
― sarahell, Saturday, 11 January 2020 06:50 (four years ago) link
This is striving hard to reach Bobby Gillespie levels of bullshit
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/david-keenan-i-ve-been-quite-close-to-madness-writing-these-books-1.4401052
― Neil S, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
it's not a good combo when the writer of the piece is just as full of shit as their interviewee!
― calzino, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
I could envisage David becoming a character in the ongoing Chronicles of Boaby on ILX, I'm not sure how to depict an Airdrie accent though because I don't believe such a thing exists. Possibilities are there for a Four Yorkshiremen type sketch, could do with maybe one more West of Scotland windbag though.
― Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
(xp) Not exactly uncommon though!
― Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link
"shroomadelica" c2000 had to be the most barrel-scrapey of the lot
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
For Keenan, logic is secondary to logos. He uses language as an instrument of spell-casting, of grammar as grimoire, distrusting the literary algorithms of plot mechanics, objective realism.
Fuck off with your plotless grimoire you talentless fuck. I saw his free jazz trio once, he's not exactly Albert Ayler put it that way.
― four seasons total landscaping is the name of my dog (Matt #2), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
I don't really have a problem with the guy, he's a bit of a hustler and a bullshitter, always was, but he's done well for himself. Plus he had to grow up in Airdrie, so he has my sympathy
― Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
I've not read any of his books so shouldn't laugh too much either I suppose. Anyone else?
― Neil S, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link
I read his first novel and it was just OK. I actually wanted a more 'realistic' treatment - I live quite near to Airdrie now, and would like to have learnt more about its history, and more about the Scottish alternative music scene prior to the 1990s. But that might be more appropriate for non-fiction rather than fiction.
England's Hidden Reverse is p essential, and Volcanic Tongue was a great source of out sounds. In person have always found DK to be pretty genial and certainly not averse to having a chat, or an argument, with anyone. He's an enthusiast as much as he is a bullshitter and a hustler, and I can forgive him a lot for that. The Subcurrent Festivals he put on in Glasgow were fantastic.
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
Yes, I think he's been involved in some good things. Some not so good, mind you.
― Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
Wikipedia article on Keenan:
In an August 2009 piece for The Wire, Keenan coined "hypnagogic pop" to describe a group of musicians whose work resembled "pop music refracted through the memory of a memory". His article incited a slew of hate mail that derided hypnagogic pop as the "worst genre created by a journalist".[2]
Citation:
The article in The Wire magazine that defined the term "hypnagogic pop" garnered a slew of semi-hate mail, describing it as the "worst genre created by a journalist".
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
England's Hidden Reverse is peculiar and obsessive and unsettling. Even if you're not into the music he uses as a framing device (Coil, Current 93 etc) it's well worth a read.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
he never answers my calls - tough guy to get a hold of
― sarahell, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
I got England's Hidden Reverse out of the library thinking I would just read the few pages about Psychic TV. Despite not having heard any records by Current 93, Coil or NWW, I found the whole book gripping and read it all. It has a lot of interview input from the artists, and insightful observations of the role of the occult in music and culture.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
i like david keenan!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:17 (three years ago) link
there, i said it.
Did anyone listen to the new album track on his website? Aside from the singing, it's like an outtake from The Unforgettable Fire, I didn't expect that, guess I was expecting angles and Pere Ubu.
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
I like him too, but there are more than one
― sarahell, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:37 (three years ago) link
I really like Keenan (irl and on the page - both are something of a construct you have to get yr head around) and have long felt vaguely guilty about slagging him off on this particular thread 11 years ago. He's clearly one of the good folk when you look across the entire field of play (not that he's even a music writer any more).
― Doran, Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
hypnagogic pop is a good term.
― treeship., Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link