A thread for The Killing, aka much-lauded Danish drama "Forbrydelsen" (with spoilers)

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not reading this thread but i just watched the first two episodes back to back and.... wow.

it's like a very, very, very good wallander except this time wallander is the irritating sidekick instead of the main character.

i loved how she pops a piece of gum into her mouth at home, like 10 minutes after she's woken up (how simple it seems to establish a character, when it's done like this).. and then when she's arrived at the "crime scene" (actually an elaborate gag played on her by her colleagues) she's still chewing that gum.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 April 2011 09:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Who is the American actor who looks just like the actor that played Brix?

dunno about this, but I thought Brix resembled a roided-up Bez.

Grotjahn in the Moma (Pillbox), Monday, 11 April 2011 10:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

i can't find downloads of season 1 (especially the early episodes) on the usual sites. surely some mistake?

caek, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

^ check yr webmail

mari$$a marchant (Pillbox), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

thanks, i was searching in a particularly stupid way and missing all that. all set now.

caek, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

so are we talking about US Killing on this thread? cause it's awesome.

Mordy, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah it's really good
something is up with the aunt imo - the one who's always at the larsen's house
also the other detective, he's a former gang member isn't he? is he moonlighting as a private investigator on the side?

daria g, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

thanks!
by the way how can one see the original here in the US? i can't find it anywhere

daria g, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

It is hard to see the AMC version objectively, having binged on Forbrydelsen over the past two weeks. So far, it seems to be following the same tack, which I'm hoping will change (for the sake of variety) - I don't see how it can't, being that the AMC version will be seven eps shorter than the OG.

I think the acting and characterization in The Killing is mostly excellent, but the atmospheric quality of Forbrydelsen was just so off-the-hook AWESOME, that I don't see how TK can transcend its redheaded-stepchild status w/o some major plot variations.

mari$$a marchant (Pillbox), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

unless it is currently available through Netflix in the US, you will have to resort to piracy.

xp

mari$$a marchant (Pillbox), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

god this was great! watched all 20 episodes in record time. lot of 24 in it, but they handle the twists very, very well, i thought.

for some reason he's been my prime suspect since early on: not sure how they insinuated it but they did

― BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:53 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

gf and i called vagn early too--the thing that made me suspect him was the scene where theis is showing him the house and mentions that nanna is going to live on the top floor, and vagn has this kind of awkward shifty thing going on. but there are so many good twists that id basically eliminated him until the 3rd-to-last episode or something.

the whole thing kind kind of goes off the rails ca. 16th ep but youre so deep at that point it doesnt matter. meyers death really shook me.

i kind of wish they had taken the shady echelons-of-power stuff about town hall/rie's dad/the original police commander further; those threads got abandoned somewhere along the way with only vague mentions.

weird to me how similar a lot of the actors looked to established h'wood actors? or maybe i was just looking for it after a while

lund - girl from freaks and geeks
rie - gillian anderson
pernille - fraces mcdormand (btw i HATED this actress' weird tic of opening her eyes real wide and flicking them around)
theis had a kind of brian dennehy thing going on.

anyway this is one of the best series ive seen a while! are the 2nd and 3rd seasons as good? (are there english subtitles for them yet?)

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 24 April 2011 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh and the shady police commander (blix? brix?) - tom noonan

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 24 April 2011 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

also lol at lund's son disappearing about halfway through the series, fuck that kid, i hate it when detectives have families

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 24 April 2011 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

the acting was pretty good through the whole thing but i thought the guy who played jan meyer and the guy who played theis really killed it, above and beyond the rest

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 24 April 2011 17:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

lund - girl from freaks and geeks

kinda, but i think that was a lot to do with the donkey jacket thing

just finished this. incredibly slow start. nearly gave up about 4 or 5 episodes in, but ended up watching the last 10 in one of those lost weekends (via box sets)

still don't get what rie was supposed to have done wrong? she seems to admit to cleaning up the outside of the flat, but so does morten?

agree about the political stuff. i was expecting a big conspiracy thing. maybe that was intentional misdirection. felt like a missed opportunity though (see also the FBI conspiracy stuff in the miami vice movie). the city hall scenes were the ones i looked forward to.

RIP meyer.

caek, Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sofie Gråbøl is my nu-god

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 10:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

If I could be her, I would

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 10:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

(see also the FBI conspiracy stuff in the miami vice movie).

this is my read:

john hawkes is a former informant of crockett and tubbs, whom they passed over to the feds. one night while they’re trying to take down herc from the wire, they get a call from a tearful hawkes saying "badness is happening right now."

what's happened is, he’s set up a meet-n-greet between the aryan brotherhood and some fbi undercovers; but the aryans have the feds rumbled, and they don't have any backup. crockett and tubbs warn the local bureau chief but it’s too late and the feds get killed, and so does hawkes’s fam. he then steps under a lorry.

so the unchill aryan bros have cut into the feds and the feds need to plug the leak. crockett and tubbs are hired to go undercover as boatmen and get intel on the aryans' suppliers,* which turns out to be a large operation with hubs in the triple frontier and haiti.

when c & t are bringing in a big shipment, they give out different information to different branches of the fbi, and that way they’ll sus out who’s feeding the aryans with information.

it call goes sideways because the bad guys take naomi harris hostage.

*ok this bit is maybe murky

someone who's got a bit of swarthiness in them (history mayne), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

felt like a missed opportunity though

yeah, totally, especially cause danish tom noonan bro was nice n creepy

☂ (max), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

FBI conspiracy stuff in Miami Vice "resolved" (abandoned) after C & T let the guys know how to find the leak. I have a feeling there was meant to be more but they had to quickly change the ending because Foxx refused to go back to South America to film the actual climax of the film. Or maybe Mann just stopped caring about that particular plot at some point. Either way the movie is all the better for it, imo, whereas the conspiracy stuff in The Killing is just boring red herrings.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

it wasn't boring imo, i liked the characters enough

the only stuff i found boring-ish was the grieving parents

a little goes a long way

someone who's got a bit of swarthiness in them (history mayne), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i think i understood the fbi conspiracy stuff in miami vice nrq, it's just it seemed to be an open thread at the end of the film.

i guess the killing was different: not an open thread so much as a red herring. would have liked it not to be a red herring because it was cool though (max otm about tom døønån, he was great!)

caek, Thursday, 16 June 2011 12:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

any thoughts on this? i am probably being dim:

still don't get what rie was supposed to have done wrong? she seems to admit to cleaning up the outside of the flat, but so does morten?

caek, Thursday, 16 June 2011 12:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

is it something to do with suppressing the photo... hang on nah that was morten?

idk

she maybe screwed that guy?

underrated mountain goats bootlegs I have owned (history mayne), Thursday, 16 June 2011 12:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

> http://allfiberarts.com/2011/sarah-lund-white-sweater-motif.htm

RONG. isn't symmetrical and the left bit is too close to the middle.

if i may draw your attention here:

Rolling iPlayer and 4OD and iTVPlayer 2011

koogs, Thursday, 16 June 2011 13:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

This is being repeated on BBC4 just now. Second episode 10pm tonight, first is on iPlayer, and it's tied with Only Connect as the biggest reason to continue the existence of BBC4.

ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Monday, 22 August 2011 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Loving this. *must not look up to find out who was the murderer*

xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 August 2011 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh ffs, keep meaning to catch this, but episode one is now no longer on there. will have a rootle around on the 'net i guess.

Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 29 August 2011 12:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

finished this tonight. have to say it was good however after a while it's gets a bit cyclical and you never believe whoever ABSOLUTELY MUST BE GUILTY is guilty. it starts to get a bit irritating near the end.

When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Thursday, 15 September 2011 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Last episode is one of the most colossal letdowns I've had with a TV series, given it shows so much of the stuff from earlier in the series to have been pointless contrivance that's utterly ludicrous. I mean, the Jens Holck stuff - why would he have run someone over, then tried to kill Lund WHEN HE WASN'T EVEN GUILTY OF ANYTHING TO COVER UP?

Sorry if that's spoilery - had a look upthread and didn't think I was guilty of more than anyone else who'd finished the series. But that annoyed me so much.

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Friday, 16 September 2011 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah exactly, and the whole "let's get Sarah Lund arrested" thing was such a cheap shot. It didn't feel natural and was just part of the crescendo. The first few eps work cos you can't tell where it's going but after that it's basically building certain cases against anyone which you know will fall through.

When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Friday, 16 September 2011 06:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yep: why were the police authorities so concerned that she would uncover the fact that ... a racist, pervert manual labourer was involved. Red herrrings are good in thrillers, but there has to be a purpose to them; they have to be resolved. Otherwise its a cheap trick: any crap writer can throw in unresolved conspiracies; the trick, if they are not the actual denouement, is to resolve them in a satisfactory manner. Once a writer sets them up, they have made an implicit promise to the viewer: "I'll be back for these later." The writers of The Killing set them all up, then just left them there, which absolutely anyone can do; it turned out to be based on a whole series of broken promises. Unforgivable.

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Friday, 16 September 2011 08:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i basically agree w. ^^.

the show hasn't rally 'stayed with me'. but i liked the characters, thought it was well put together, liked the mileu (bbc4-viewer potential city-breaker? yeah i guess), found it suspenseful, and so it's easily worth seeing once. and i'll watch the second season.

i can't really remember the solution, but the show hinted at a much bigger political conspiracy and failed to follow through, iirc.

a fake wannabe trying to be a pimp (history mayne), Friday, 16 September 2011 08:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Just finished this - I for one was glad the murder wasn't a political conspiracy, it would have felt ridiculous.

Last episode is one of the most colossal letdowns I've had with a TV series, given it shows so much of the stuff from earlier in the series to have been pointless contrivance that's utterly ludicrous. I mean, the Jens Holck stuff - why would he have run someone over, then tried to kill Lund WHEN HE WASN'T EVEN GUILTY OF ANYTHING TO COVER UP?

Eh? He was guilty of having an affair with a schoolgirl using another party's flat and bribing a civil servant to keep quiet about it. That's not murder-level obviously but in normal political terms it's a career-ender and possibly illegal as well.

It only doesn't make sense if you assume it's calculated. Given all the above, when said schoolgirl was then found murdered having been attacked in a flat he'd been in, having made the bribes and tried to cover them up... he just became certain he was going down for it and panicked. It seemed like an open-and-shut case for everyone except Lund.

Also, I'd had Vagn pegged as the killer from very early on so was happy that played out. I don't understand why it's unforgiveable to so heavily hint at a conspiracy and for it then to turn out to be something else. What with him and Weber both being the guilty parties = never trust a loyal confidante with no initial discernable plot function.

finished this tonight. have to say it was good however after a while it's gets a bit cyclical and you never believe whoever ABSOLUTELY MUST BE GUILTY is guilty

By the third or fourth time this happened I just started to enjoy it, thrillers kind of have to do things like that to string the suspense out. Still, it did annoy me the number of times Troels Hartman had a "hey, we're in the clear!" kind of moment and then made some big public statement that then immediately blew up in his face. How many times did that happen?

Matt DC, Monday, 10 October 2011 09:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also the actors playing Nanna's parents were totally the best thing about this. And Meyer, I loved that guy.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 October 2011 09:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Poor Meyer!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 October 2011 09:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

never trust a loyal confidante with no initial discernable plot function.

looool

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 October 2011 09:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also I don't think Rie actually did anything wrong? Except maybe fucking that guy but equally maybe not. Hartman was just extremely paranoid at that point and a massive dick to her. But then he couldn't actually go back on that without hanging Weber out to dry, which would in turn break his career.

If I was a fictional citizen of Copenhagen I'd have been out on the streets in protest at the completely farcical state of my political system and police force but no one really seemed that arsed? And then Hartman just became mayor by default? Bit weird.

Matt DC, Monday, 10 October 2011 09:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know when the Killing 2 gets to be shown on the BBC? I thought it was scheduled for Autumn?

mmmm, Monday, 10 October 2011 10:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

1st November according to someone on the Facebook page. DVD available on Amazon on 12th December.

mmmm, Monday, 10 October 2011 11:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

1st november is a tuesday though. and these things are traditionally on the saturday.

they are currently showing the wallander films. last saturday was 'man who smiled' and next saturday is 'one step behind'. there are 2 more after that (firewall, pyramid) but the first is a two-parter. so i'd say the 5th or the 12th.

koogs, Monday, 10 October 2011 11:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sarah Lund fashion is so ubiquitous right now - I walked through a shopping centre today and saw nothing in windows but patterned knitwear.

ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Monday, 10 October 2011 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

tomorrow, bbc4 (and on front of radio times)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b017h80m

koogs, Friday, 18 November 2011 10:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Beeb cuts back on sweariness

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 18 November 2011 10:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Don't think the swearing was particularly obtrusive in the first series - I don't think I even noticed any - but maybe I'm just desensitized to it.

next thing she's shaving my skrillex (NickB), Friday, 18 November 2011 10:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't notice it at all.

Madchen, Friday, 18 November 2011 12:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thread needs Danes, are there any on ILX?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 18 November 2011 12:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Didn't finish season one (got careless with the recording -- was on ep13), so just glad I can pick up on s2 independently of what happened, apart from a 'return from exile'.

Given some of the disussion from upthread it sounds like 10 eps is a good thing. Personally thought the 'this must be the guy' theory with any case falling apart by the end of the ep was a by product of putting a *day-by-day* investigation under the microscope. I was enjoying that.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 November 2011 11:22 (2 years ago) Permalink


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