The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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Not at all, Paul. There's something about The Cure and The Preachers that triggers fervour of a disturbing religiosity in people's heads, well, in my experience anyway. And if you wanna put that to the test, gently question a more avid fan and watch them twist like they was shackled to the cross.

Hmm, having said that, I do get riled when someone fails to 'get' my favourite bands and indulges in the kind of mindless attack I have already posted against The Cure. Yet, I feel that certain bands are wont to attract a more dependent following, who hang the band's music like metaphorical rosaries. And I'm not sure that even among my most beloved artists, there are those which I could hold in such equally mindless esteem.

What say you?

Roger fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
If i brooded around and had a aweful voice, would i be as good as the cure, which coincidently, isnt even good to begin with

DUD

Hayward, Thursday, 3 October 2002 02:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

Oddly enough, I've never really sought out their albums; I'm sure I'll get around to it, but I'm pretty sure they'll always be available... Pretty much all of their singles, though, are flat-out amazing - how could they not be classic?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:37 (11 years ago) Permalink

The albums are SO WORTH IT, Clarke.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

Quite.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (11 years ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmm .............
dud

donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm exactly like Clarke. Always loved what I heard, but only own 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me'... Last year I told a friend of mine that the reason for this is because I pretty much know that I'll like them and am just 'saving it'. Is this like some weird Cure phenomena?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

I LOVE THE CURE. They fill a niche that no other band does. From the acutely depresso Pornography stuff to the silly dance stuff to the haunting gothy Faith stuff to the blatant sunshine pop... they've done all this convincingly and well. Did they invent the drugged up goofy romantic miserable goth ecstatic giddy thing?

Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.

Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (11 years ago) Permalink

Where to start, Ned and Dan? I'm thinking _Pornography_, but some of their _Disintegration_-era stuff kills me (esp. "Lovesong").

Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?

Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (11 years ago) Permalink

In your place I'd start with 17 Seconds, Clarke. It has their greatest song on it, "A Forest" and I find it the darkest and most powerful of their records. A lot of their stuff didn't age too well (even Disintegration), but this record definitely stood the test of time.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't go for _Pornography_ first; I think I'd get _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and the cassette version of _Standing On A Beach_ in order to get the b-sides.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

Classic until "Stranding on a Beach" came out, after which they descended into the depths of self-parody.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (11 years ago) Permalink

I kinda saved them also, Kim - owned the two singles compilations for years before actually buying my first proper album (Disintegration) just this year. Though I do like it, it hasn't swayed me into snatching up the others yet. Maybe in another four years I'll get another one.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

They fill(ed?) a niche no one else did (which I usually characterize as "Harlequin romance rock") and they did a perfectly accomplished and unique job of it most of the time but it's not one I care to listen to much at all. I can play Pornography maybe a couple times per year and it's sometimes nice to hear the singles on the radio but overall there's not a big connection. And I couldn't imagine sitting through a whole album of stuff like "In Between Days" or "Let's Go to Bed". The singles comp (Staring At the Sea?) is probably as much as I'd need of that. I'd buy Disintegration if I thought I'd ever listen to it. Wish and Wild Mood Swings were awful.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

I honestly cannot comprehend how _Wish_ is AWFUL.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

the cure were/are one of the best bands for dancing to whilst only wearing underwear...hopefully not by yourself...

g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

Ok, I'm a liar. I totally forgot that I also had 'Standing on a Beach' on cassette - played it to death. I don't have it anymore though. I think my brother "borrowed" it and never gave it back! Ooooh...that little...

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

I like just like heaven, I'm going to get Kiss me times 3.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (11 years ago) Permalink

classic classic classic and why should you not dance to the cure in underwear by yourself! unless you are wearing the underwear out to the goth dance club, of course.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

Have you ever been to a goth dance club? Underwear as outerwear is pretty much de rigeur.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (11 years ago) Permalink

Clarke, start with Disintegration first, and then try Seventeen Seconds and then Pornography. I've argued elsethread about this already so I won't go into the details here...just click the link, cause there's a lot of other good talk there anyhow.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

Pretend that there's a smiley at the end of my last post. I sound like a meanie otherwise.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (11 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...
"And yet Robert Smith - the Chatterton of Crawley - had created if not a wall of sound then a very high hedge of sound, over which he seemed to peer at the world like a boy who couldn't be bothered to ask for his ball back."

the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!

etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Join the Dots" (B Sides and rarities) is out on October 21st. I presume it'll have the much talked about Cassette b sides from Standing on a Beach on it, but does anyone know that actual tracklisting is?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (11 years ago) Permalink

This news makes me very, very happy.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:53 (11 years ago) Permalink

won't come out on Oct. 21st though. That info was wrong

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

When is it out then?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

No official release date..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

I kind of like the guitars in "Pictures of You".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

Recently listened to Dark Side of the Moon and then Disintegration back to back. Confirmed what I already knew.
Fuck the Canon and the Keepers it rode in on. The Cure > Pink Floyd.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (11 years ago) Permalink

Just adding to the calls of "Classic" (up to, and including, Wish, that is).

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 19:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...
Shall I expound at great length here about The Cure's gig at the Barfly last night? Or does it warrant its own thread?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

either way, spill!

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yes. Now please. Or else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

Giz it.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

You don't want to make The Raggett angry.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to envision whether turning into a green Lou Ferrigno is merely a lateral move.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Pretty much.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ah well, the downsides.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, too busy right now, but will gush like a geyser tomorrow. In the meantime, drooooool over the setlist...

Shake Dog Shake
Fascination Street
A Strange Day
A Night Like This
Lovesong
Push
Sinking
Pictures Of You
Lullaby
Lovecats
Maybe Someday
In Your House
From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
M
Charlotte Sometimes
Inbetween Days
Just Like Heaven
Hey You!!!
Play For Today
A Forest

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)
10.15 Saturday Night
Boys Don't Cry
I Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)
I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman),
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Why Can't I Be You
Friday I'm In Love

Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

WAH! *whimpers and hopes for bootleg...somewhere...ANYWHERE*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

THEY DID CULT HERO MATERIAL???????

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

With Porl and Frank no less. And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)

Genius.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

porl!

!!!!!!

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

And yes, Frank the postman showed up in all his voluminous glory, the first time they've done any Cult Hero material in (10 years according to Robert).

And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

And I maintain my viewpoint, no doubt. Friday's only iffy moment came 11 songs in, when some (relatively) unfamiliar chords struck up - "What is this," I thought to myself with a grimace, "Joan Osborne's 'One Of Us'?" But no, it was in fact "Maybe Someday".

The Cure should've stopped recording new music after Wish (or more specifically, if you like, after "Fear Of Ghosts"). I love them still, but I shall not be moved on this matter.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

I forgive you. Since you're going to help me find someone who recorded the show OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE...

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

Wait, what? So essentially he and Perry B. have completed the circle.

Anyway. First batch of reissues in a month. EXCITED!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

Like Wish and Bloodflowers a lot. Don't dig Wild Mood Swings, s/t or 4:13 at all, really.

very conscious of repeating himself

I know what he's talking about, but the first thing that popped to mind was the xgau riff:

Samey samey samey is the strategy--repeat repeat repeat repeat the same four-bar theme for sixteen, twenty-four, forty-eight, sixty-four bars before Robert Smith starts to whine, wail, warble, work. Because Smith hasn't veered this far pop since he was a boy, most of the themes stick with you, and in a few cases--my pick is "Just Like Heaven," which gets off to a relatively quick start--his romantic vagaries have universal potential. But especially over a double album, the strategy gets pretty tedious unless Smith happens to be whining, wailing, warbling, or working to you. B

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 November 2013 19:01 (9 months ago) Permalink

pfff I'd forgotten what a monster of a song 'Burn' was

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 4 November 2013 21:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

I'd kind of like a return to weirder stuff too, but not necessarily more agressive or raw. I'd like to think he has more of The Top and The Glove spirit still in him.
I remember when I got the internet nearly a decade ago I was a little shocked how different the internet review sites and fan communities treated some albums compared with the british music press; I think The Top embodies that for me. Every time I saw The Top mentioned in NME, Uncut or Mojo it was always treated as a horrible embarrassment, even an Uncut interviewer acted that way with Smith; but most fans seem to love it. I love it.

WISH has incredible tracks like "Open", "High", "Friday I'm In Love" and "To Wish Impossible Things" but those highlights feel all too brief to me. I easily find it their most tedious album despite the highlights and a general nice sound.
BLOODFLOWERS should get credit that it seems like the were really trying for something different. The songs are denser, louder and longer than usual but not much of it really worked for me.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 November 2013 22:26 (9 months ago) Permalink

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/im_alive._im_dead_the_cure_in_concert_1984

Two 1984 gigs, one from Glasgow and one from Munich. The Glasgow set list is similar to the Concert set.

grown-arsed man (onimo), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 15:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

I was at that Glasgow show, I think. (Well, I was at a Glasgow show in 84, and I doubt there was more than one.)

Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 16:08 (9 months ago) Permalink

Certainly Concert features one of the best set lists—probably the very best—of any Cure tour before or since.

lol, how many Cure tours since have featured a consistent set list at all?

ͼѾͽ (sic), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

Concert is great, but it was before Kiss Me, Disintegration and Wish so I think many tours had amazing setlists after too.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:47 (9 months ago) Permalink

lol, how many Cure tours since have featured a consistent set list at all?

There was a time when you knew they were just about done when you heard the opening keyboards for 'A Forest.' This was from about 1990-2004.

Just sayin'.

Austin, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 01:40 (9 months ago) Permalink

ok now tell us the order of all the other songs they played

ͼѾͽ (sic), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 02:43 (9 months ago) Permalink

Well, if you heard 'The Walk' you could bet that 'Let's Go to Bed' was next. Same with 'Inbetween Days' and 'Just Like Heaven.'

Austin, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 05:21 (9 months ago) Permalink

Shake Dog Shake to open, Piggy in the Mirror or Six Different Ways somewhere early, couple from Pornography, then Primary / Charlotte / The Walk somewhere, A Forest, 10:15, Killing an Arab, done.
I think I'm showing my age.

MatthewK, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 12:04 (9 months ago) Permalink

The Wish tour setlists were the most rigid ones they've had - otherwise, yeah you can always expect a couple of curveballs per show

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 13:53 (9 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

I hope they don't keep that title

also WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 3 February 2014 14:35 (6 months ago) Permalink

I wonder if there's any allusion there to Sarah Kane's 4.48 Psychosis? Exciting news, anyway.

one way street, Monday, 3 February 2014 14:40 (6 months ago) Permalink

Huh, is this featuring the keyboard-free four-piece version of the band? I didn't like that line-up live much.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 February 2014 15:03 (6 months ago) Permalink

yeah I dunno any news from The Cure is exciting, esp when it comes to recording - but I'm a bit disappointed these will just be eftovers from 4:13 released 5 years later. C'mon how about getting back in the studio?
Live DVDs OTOH...

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 3 February 2014 15:18 (6 months ago) Permalink

Well I'd been wanting to hear that other set of songs since they announced it, they kept talking about a second album. They definitely have had a weird/relaxed rest on their laurels career for the last few years, though -- though they pulled it off really well, based on all the various live shows and broadcasts and etc.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 February 2014 15:40 (6 months ago) Permalink

Any updates on the reissue series?

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 February 2014 17:19 (6 months ago) Permalink

They definitely have had a weird/relaxed rest on their laurels career for the last few years

Indeed. I'm a bit surprised RS has seemingly accepted for teh Cure to become solely a nostalgia act. A bit disheartening considering how well Depeche Mode - their most obvious peers - have managed their twilight years.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 3 February 2014 17:44 (6 months ago) Permalink

Well, what's interesting to me is that Smith hasn't NOT been doing stuff -- he's on a seemingly endless round of one-offs, collaborations, remakes, etc. Maybe he just wants to do that.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 February 2014 18:25 (6 months ago) Permalink

I'm a bit surprised RS has seemingly accepted for teh Cure to become solely a nostalgia act. A bit disheartening considering how well Depeche Mode - their most obvious peers - have managed their twilight years.

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 3 February 2014 17:44 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Yeah, Depeche Mode have managed their twilight years quite well, but at the same time it's arguable that Depeche's situation has a lot to do with the fact that they never fail to do a mammoth tour every time they release an album. If one was to judge Depeche's last 7 years or so based on recorded output alone, the opinion of whether they've managed their twilight years or not would depend upon how much of an obsessive hardcore fan you are. It goes without saying that I love Depeche Mode, and at their very best they're incredible. They're still able to go around the world touring (as are The Cure) and pack the venues, but their recorded output isn't what it once was, I'll admit. In spite of that, I'll still follow them regardless, and I am exactly the same with The Cure.

Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Monday, 3 February 2014 19:12 (6 months ago) Permalink

I like dp's last couple a lot better than the cure's. Which I maybe listened to once. DPs I listened to at least twice, maybe three or four.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 February 2014 19:15 (6 months ago) Permalink

Xp Well I wasn't talking about tours but simply that DM post-peak albums >>> Cure albums (and I consider myself first and foremost a hardcore Cure fan)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 3 February 2014 19:18 (6 months ago) Permalink

I'm probably in the minority thinking that DM's last 5 albums or so are pretty much on par with the rest of their albums (Playing the Angel being a career highlight IMO) but beyond that - DM just seems to have maintained a pretty steady path, releasing a decent album ever 4 years and touring behind it. I don't see them doing trilogy shows or festival tours for the time being

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 3 February 2014 19:24 (6 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, they've pretty well spent this century working on becoming a great goddamn live band through and through, with one standout album in Playing and good albums in general otherwise. I get a sense Dave really takes his second chance at life very seriously but also from I can tell exuberantly, and the fact he seems to have gotten better as a singer/performer is helping as Martin's voice, originally a key saving grace when Dave ran himself too ragged, is starting to audibly give ground. Handy, really.

But to turn back to the subject at hand -- Robert and the band, in whatever formation, seem to just keep on keeping on. That Lollapalooza live set last year was A+.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 February 2014 19:27 (6 months ago) Permalink


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