The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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Not at all, Paul. There's something about The Cure and The Preachers that triggers fervour of a disturbing religiosity in people's heads, well, in my experience anyway. And if you wanna put that to the test, gently question a more avid fan and watch them twist like they was shackled to the cross.

Hmm, having said that, I do get riled when someone fails to 'get' my favourite bands and indulges in the kind of mindless attack I have already posted against The Cure. Yet, I feel that certain bands are wont to attract a more dependent following, who hang the band's music like metaphorical rosaries. And I'm not sure that even among my most beloved artists, there are those which I could hold in such equally mindless esteem.

What say you?

Roger fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
If i brooded around and had a aweful voice, would i be as good as the cure, which coincidently, isnt even good to begin with

DUD

Hayward, Thursday, 3 October 2002 02:11 (13 years ago) Permalink

Oddly enough, I've never really sought out their albums; I'm sure I'll get around to it, but I'm pretty sure they'll always be available... Pretty much all of their singles, though, are flat-out amazing - how could they not be classic?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:37 (13 years ago) Permalink

The albums are SO WORTH IT, Clarke.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:13 (13 years ago) Permalink

Quite.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (13 years ago) Permalink

hmmmmmmm .............
dud

donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (13 years ago) Permalink

I'm exactly like Clarke. Always loved what I heard, but only own 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me'... Last year I told a friend of mine that the reason for this is because I pretty much know that I'll like them and am just 'saving it'. Is this like some weird Cure phenomena?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (13 years ago) Permalink

I LOVE THE CURE. They fill a niche that no other band does. From the acutely depresso Pornography stuff to the silly dance stuff to the haunting gothy Faith stuff to the blatant sunshine pop... they've done all this convincingly and well. Did they invent the drugged up goofy romantic miserable goth ecstatic giddy thing?

Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.

Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (13 years ago) Permalink

Where to start, Ned and Dan? I'm thinking _Pornography_, but some of their _Disintegration_-era stuff kills me (esp. "Lovesong").

Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?

Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (13 years ago) Permalink

In your place I'd start with 17 Seconds, Clarke. It has their greatest song on it, "A Forest" and I find it the darkest and most powerful of their records. A lot of their stuff didn't age too well (even Disintegration), but this record definitely stood the test of time.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (13 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't go for _Pornography_ first; I think I'd get _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and the cassette version of _Standing On A Beach_ in order to get the b-sides.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (13 years ago) Permalink

Classic until "Stranding on a Beach" came out, after which they descended into the depths of self-parody.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (13 years ago) Permalink

I kinda saved them also, Kim - owned the two singles compilations for years before actually buying my first proper album (Disintegration) just this year. Though I do like it, it hasn't swayed me into snatching up the others yet. Maybe in another four years I'll get another one.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (13 years ago) Permalink

They fill(ed?) a niche no one else did (which I usually characterize as "Harlequin romance rock") and they did a perfectly accomplished and unique job of it most of the time but it's not one I care to listen to much at all. I can play Pornography maybe a couple times per year and it's sometimes nice to hear the singles on the radio but overall there's not a big connection. And I couldn't imagine sitting through a whole album of stuff like "In Between Days" or "Let's Go to Bed". The singles comp (Staring At the Sea?) is probably as much as I'd need of that. I'd buy Disintegration if I thought I'd ever listen to it. Wish and Wild Mood Swings were awful.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (13 years ago) Permalink

I honestly cannot comprehend how _Wish_ is AWFUL.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (13 years ago) Permalink

the cure were/are one of the best bands for dancing to whilst only wearing underwear...hopefully not by yourself...

g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (13 years ago) Permalink

Ok, I'm a liar. I totally forgot that I also had 'Standing on a Beach' on cassette - played it to death. I don't have it anymore though. I think my brother "borrowed" it and never gave it back! Ooooh...that little...

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (13 years ago) Permalink

I like just like heaven, I'm going to get Kiss me times 3.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (13 years ago) Permalink

classic classic classic and why should you not dance to the cure in underwear by yourself! unless you are wearing the underwear out to the goth dance club, of course.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (13 years ago) Permalink

Have you ever been to a goth dance club? Underwear as outerwear is pretty much de rigeur.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (13 years ago) Permalink

Clarke, start with Disintegration first, and then try Seventeen Seconds and then Pornography. I've argued elsethread about this already so I won't go into the details here...just click the link, cause there's a lot of other good talk there anyhow.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (13 years ago) Permalink

Pretend that there's a smiley at the end of my last post. I sound like a meanie otherwise.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (13 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...
"And yet Robert Smith - the Chatterton of Crawley - had created if not a wall of sound then a very high hedge of sound, over which he seemed to peer at the world like a boy who couldn't be bothered to ask for his ball back."

the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!

etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Join the Dots" (B Sides and rarities) is out on October 21st. I presume it'll have the much talked about Cassette b sides from Standing on a Beach on it, but does anyone know that actual tracklisting is?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

This news makes me very, very happy.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:53 (12 years ago) Permalink

won't come out on Oct. 21st though. That info was wrong

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:55 (12 years ago) Permalink

When is it out then?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

No official release date..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

I kind of like the guitars in "Pictures of You".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Recently listened to Dark Side of the Moon and then Disintegration back to back. Confirmed what I already knew.
Fuck the Canon and the Keepers it rode in on. The Cure > Pink Floyd.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

Just adding to the calls of "Classic" (up to, and including, Wish, that is).

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 19:47 (12 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...
Shall I expound at great length here about The Cure's gig at the Barfly last night? Or does it warrant its own thread?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (12 years ago) Permalink

either way, spill!

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

Yes. Now please. Or else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (12 years ago) Permalink

Giz it.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

You don't want to make The Raggett angry.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to envision whether turning into a green Lou Ferrigno is merely a lateral move.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

Pretty much.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ah well, the downsides.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (12 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, too busy right now, but will gush like a geyser tomorrow. In the meantime, drooooool over the setlist...

Shake Dog Shake
Fascination Street
A Strange Day
A Night Like This
Lovesong
Push
Sinking
Pictures Of You
Lullaby
Lovecats
Maybe Someday
In Your House
From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
M
Charlotte Sometimes
Inbetween Days
Just Like Heaven
Hey You!!!
Play For Today
A Forest

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)
10.15 Saturday Night
Boys Don't Cry
I Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)
I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman),
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Why Can't I Be You
Friday I'm In Love

Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

WAH! *whimpers and hopes for bootleg...somewhere...ANYWHERE*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (12 years ago) Permalink

THEY DID CULT HERO MATERIAL???????

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

With Porl and Frank no less. And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)

Genius.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

porl!

!!!!!!

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:48 (12 years ago) Permalink

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

And yes, Frank the postman showed up in all his voluminous glory, the first time they've done any Cult Hero material in (10 years according to Robert).

And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

And I maintain my viewpoint, no doubt. Friday's only iffy moment came 11 songs in, when some (relatively) unfamiliar chords struck up - "What is this," I thought to myself with a grimace, "Joan Osborne's 'One Of Us'?" But no, it was in fact "Maybe Someday".

The Cure should've stopped recording new music after Wish (or more specifically, if you like, after "Fear Of Ghosts"). I love them still, but I shall not be moved on this matter.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

I forgive you. Since you're going to help me find someone who recorded the show OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE...

Porl, remarkably, is now jobbing as the band's guitar tech!

Wait, what? So essentially he and Perry B. have completed the circle.

Anyway. First batch of reissues in a month. EXCITED!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (12 years ago) Permalink

I was at Shoreline last night too. The mini-set of five Head on the Door songs was the highlight for me, particularly getting to hear Screw and Kyoto Song. Robert joked that Sinking would have fit nicely after Screw, but they went into The Walk instead. I'll take that.

BrianEmo, Friday, 27 May 2016 16:19 (4 days ago) Permalink

Many xposts:

I also find it rather hilarious/annoying that some of the best "new" remixes they did for Mixed Up only came out on b-sides from the time. To my count, there was:

Just Like Heaven (Dizzy Mix) <this was on Join the Dots>
Primary (Red Mix)
Let's Go to Bed (Milk Mix)

Inexplicably, the Just Like Heaven mix is probably the weakest of the three and now it's the one that is most widely available.

I made my own "Extended mixes" compilation years ago, where I tried to gather up the uncompiled/harder to find long mixes that they did. It is not complete, but the tracklist is such:

Boys Don't Cry (New Voice - Club Mix)
Let's Go to Bed (12" Mix)
Just One Kiss (12" Mix)
The Lovecats (Extended Remix)
Close to Me (12" Mix)
Why Can't I Be You? (Extended Mix)
A Japanese Dream (Extended Mix)
A Letter to Elise (12" Mix)
High (Higher Mix)
Friday, I'm in Love (Strangelove Mix)
A Letter to Elise (Blue Mix)

Austin, Friday, 27 May 2016 16:44 (4 days ago) Permalink

"There was only the one _Pornography_ track, though!"

oh yeah I guess so. but I heard 100 Years and the Figurehead at soundcheck outside so I forgot.

akm, Friday, 27 May 2016 17:23 (4 days ago) Permalink

The remasters are ok; i know some people have complained that they're overly compressed but I don't really have any issues with how they sound; I guess there's also an edit problem with Shake Dog Shake on the Top. The bonus tracks though, for the most part, never grabbed me; good to listen to once, but not lifechanging. Join the Dots is a better companion. Let's just say: I got rid of all my cds of the remasters (except for Disintegration) and kept rips of them because I didn't feel that wedded to them.

akm, Friday, 27 May 2016 17:25 (4 days ago) Permalink

also don't think Ned and I both didn't think of Dan when they played Push

akm, Friday, 27 May 2016 17:27 (4 days ago) Permalink

What's the edit problem on "Shake Dog Shake"?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 27 May 2016 17:43 (4 days ago) Permalink

Part of the initial drum roll is cut off. It's very slight, but definitely noticeable if you're very familiar with the song.

Austin, Friday, 27 May 2016 17:49 (4 days ago) Permalink

I think the remastersame sound great, much better than the originals. It's the bonus disks that aren't essential.

Bee OK, Friday, 27 May 2016 20:55 (4 days ago) Permalink

Stupid spell check

Bee OK, Friday, 27 May 2016 20:55 (4 days ago) Permalink

bonus dicks would have been better

rip van wanko, Friday, 27 May 2016 21:02 (4 days ago) Permalink

Remastersame is a word?

Mark G, Friday, 27 May 2016 21:54 (4 days ago) Permalink

My spell check put those two words together

Bee OK, Friday, 27 May 2016 22:08 (4 days ago) Permalink

Or something went haywire

Bee OK, Friday, 27 May 2016 22:10 (4 days ago) Permalink

I was just trying to add an s

Bee OK, Friday, 27 May 2016 22:12 (4 days ago) Permalink

I like the sound of the remasters that I bought (first 4), but the lack of quality control and lack of complete bonus discs put me off the next batch.

Quality control issues: pages missing from booklet from 1st LP, dropout during "M" should have been repaired, "Other Voices" intro at end of "Primary" track...

lingereffect (Kent Burt), Saturday, 28 May 2016 00:39 (3 days ago) Permalink

they played two new songs at my show, here is the other one called "Step Into The Light":

Bee OK, Saturday, 28 May 2016 01:50 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah they did that last night too. it's alright. the other new song is better.

akm, Saturday, 28 May 2016 02:52 (3 days ago) Permalink

Nobody mentioned "Pictures Of You", which had a single mix, an extended mix, and the extended dub mix that made it on Mixed Up.

LeRooLeRoo, Saturday, 28 May 2016 12:18 (3 days ago) Permalink

Friend of mine made a playlist of every song they've played on this tour

https://open.spotify.com/user/12137425947/playlist/2lbeYZWuBordnJCE9Hgwya

rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 May 2016 13:32 (3 days ago) Permalink

I've listened to the bonus discs on Spotify and decided I can live without them.

Just listening to The Top right now - one of my favourites. The title song is amazing

Duke, Monday, 30 May 2016 21:02 (Yesterday) Permalink

The title track is one of their most underrated songs, IMO. One of those tracks they really should be playing live.

Turrican, Monday, 30 May 2016 21:05 (Yesterday) Permalink

The Top also has THE MIGHTY BANANA SONG!!

Austin, Monday, 30 May 2016 21:16 (Yesterday) Permalink

So-called because it sucks mighty banana!

Turrican, Monday, 30 May 2016 21:24 (Yesterday) Permalink

Salinger reference an' all.

MatthewK, Monday, 30 May 2016 22:31 (Yesterday) Permalink

No way, Turrican. No way.

Austin, Monday, 30 May 2016 23:15 (Yesterday) Permalink

i love "Bananafishbones."

Bee OK, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 00:05 (4 minutes ago) Permalink


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