S/D: Albums where "avant-garde" or classical artists worked with rock groups and vice versa

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i've never quite been able to make it all the way through septober energy. but i will dig it out again and scan through "part 3" for the radiohead connection.

― Germany's Fun-Loving Beer (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 07:55 (nineteen years ago) link

John Cale's Church of Anthrax w/ Terry Riley always works for me.
I have horrible memories of Procul Harum's album with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra (sic), it was inescapable on the radio for awhile in the early 70s.

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Evan Parker on Scott Walker's "Climate of Hunter"

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 09:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Derek "Mr And Mrs" Bailey on David Sylvian's Blemish.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Philip Glass did a remix on the third 12" of S-Express "Hey Music Lover" ... having first been taken to an Acid House by Mark Moore for research purposes ... where he supposedly stood for a couple of hours with his head bowed in deep concentration, before saying "OK, I think I've got the general idea".

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember both of them (plus Morley) on The Late Show promoting that.

Also: Evan Parker, Steve Beresford, Han Bennink et al on the Vic Reeves album!

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, that's a good one!

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Ray Russell is on "Climate of Hunter" too. Dave Macrae (of Matching Mole) was pretty central to the Walker Brothers' "Nite Flights" album but, far more importantly, was Bill Oddie's main musical collaborator in The Goodies.

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, but that was the sane, post-Rock Follies Ray Russell. For the old-style insane Ray Russell, check out Time Of The Last Persecution by Bill Fay and Rock Workshop with Alex Harvey on vocals.

Mike Gibbs was Oddie's musical other half in the first couple of series of The Goodies, thus lots of then-hip 'n' kool Brit improv types slumming it on those backing tracks.

There's also a track on the first Wombles album where Paul Rutherford unexpectedly pops up halfway through to do his multiphonic trombone thing. I'll be coming back to that later on in my ongoing 1974 blog piece (likely to be completed in 2074 by the looks of things...).

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 10:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Last Exit count? How about Pain Killer?

The Conrad/Faust album isn't great, but the second track is pretty good. It actually starts somewhere and ends somewhere else, which helps.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Don Cherry on Lou Reed's "The Bells"

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

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Essentially a Beaver & Krause album with George, right?

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Paul Beaver is on quite a few albums tho, e.g:

The Monkees - Pisces, Capricorn, Aquarius and Jones

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Essentially a Beaver & Krause album with George, right?

Not sure about Beaver but it has Bernie Krause's stamp all over it. To my knowledge he's barely credited though (I only have mp3s of the album). There's a story about it in Analog Days, about how Harrison surreptitiously left the tape running in the studio while Krause was demonstrating the Moog for him, and when Krause later showed up to get a progress report on Harrison's planned "Moog record," the first song Harrison played him was the bit Krause had improvised in the studio! Krause bitched about it and the reply was "I'm George Harrison; show me some respect."

― Germany's Fun-Loving Beer (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Direct quote from the book: "When Ravi Shankar comes to my house he's humble."

― Germany's Fun-Loving Beer (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder if that burglar who came to his house was humble?

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the cover though. Predates the Tom Tom Club by over a decade!

― Germany's Fun-Loving Beer (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Direct quote from George Harrison's last album: "You people are going to respect me if it kills you."

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Moral: beware Scousers dabbling in Eastern philosophy

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

From now on whenever anyone gives me any guff I'm gonna respond "When Ravi Shankar comes to my house he's humble!" That oughta shut them up!

― Germany's Fun-Loving Beer (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Vice versa:

Henry Vestine of Canned Heat on Albert Ayler's "Music is the Healing Force of the Universe"

Lene Lovich and Andy Partridge on The Residents' "Commercial Album"

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Archie Shepp paid a visit to the studio while Ayler was recording that.

He took one look at Henry Vestine and said, "I would have liked your playing much better if I hadn't seen what you looked like."

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard that Vestine ended up as a right wing Aryan Nation type - sorry, if you didn't Henry

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

when Krause later showed up to get a progress report on Harrison's planned "Moog record," the first song Harrison played him was the bit Krause had improvised in the studio!

Between this and the "My Sweet Lord"/"He's So Fine" controversy I wonder what Harrison actually did write.

― Germany's Fun-Loving Beer (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

James Taylor - "Something In the Way She Moves" (1968)

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

There's some German "electro-accoustic" whizzo chap called Marcus Schmickler who I saw recently doing some arty improv thingy- and he also does indie stuffs with Julee Cruise!!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

as I noted at the time...

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Evan Parker on Robert Wyatt's Shleep
Han Bennink with the Ex on Mudbird Shivers
Various avant-jazzbos with the Ex on Instant
Tom Cora with the Ex on a couple of albums
Derek Bailey with the Ruins on Saisoro
Nels Cline with the Geraldine Fibbers on Butch

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh Robert Wyatt's played with hundreds of avant-garde people and vice versa.

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, he's kind of in the loop so that doesn't really count.

Paul Rutherford (the tromboning one, not the FGTH one) on Death In Vegas' Dead Elvis.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

... not as impressive as The Wombles

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link

John Zorn on Joe Piscopo's New Jersey

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Pete Sinfield & Mel Collins (King Crimson) on Bucks Fizz "The Land Of Make Believe", or is that stretching the definitions too far?

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris McGregor and Ray Warleigh on Bryter Layter
John Stevens (brilliant) on John Martyn's Live At Leeds

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

The Brodsky Quartet on Elvis Costello's The Juliet Letters, and, altogether more palatably, on a remix of Bjork's "Hyperballad".

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Tim Souster (google him) on Wire's "154"

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Lol Coxhill with Kevin Ayers (along with David Bedford of course) and The Damned

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

...and, at the risk of dragging this hitherto commendably high-minded thread down into the GUTTER...

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― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Gar, I love that Conrad/Faust disc!

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

It's cold and hypnotic and creepy.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The Eurythmics - worked with Holger Czukay, Chris & Cosey

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Keith Tippett's contribution to "Ace Of Clubs" on 1988 comp 'Acid Jazz & Other Illicit Grooves'

― slim_cop, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I second the Riley x Cale, as an enjoyable album, but the pop aspect is more in spirit, an exuberant inventiveness, informed/informing avant skills and approaches. In that sense, the best Eno (when he was aproud "nonmusician," but had really listened to his *whole* record collection). Ditto VU,Insect Trust (HOBOKEN SATURDAY NIGHT anyway; haven't heard the self-titled) and Miles Davis, who tells us in his autobio that he cruised to tapes of James Brown and Stockhausen. Hal Willner productions like LOST IN THE STARS continue in the vein thos Carla Bley/Michael Mantler productions that used people in and ousdie the avant loop (like Miles might use a Motown-schooled young bassist, Indian classical and/or Bollywood players, etc.) Haven't heard the Tnu Conrad & Faust, but see my current thingette re Faust vs. Dalek (written like that cos I don't hear mental images of instruments so much as processed-distressed abjection and strength and purpose)www.villagevoice.com/issues/0440/allred.php

― Don, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw Terry Riley perform sunday night in the back room of a piano store. He played songs with lyrics by Michael Mclure. First on a prepared baby grand, which was just beautiful, then on another piano. The songs were a little jazzy, a little boogie-woogie, a little minimalist, a little classical, a little todd rundgren, just beautiful, definitely SONGS though, which seems so rare. It reminded me of Terry Callier or Karma/Prince of Peace ere Pharoah Sanders at times, walking that line between POP and the AVANT-GARDE.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Half of the album Cocteau Twins recorded with Harold Budd, The Moon and the Melodies. That's the 4 songs Liz Frazer sings on.

― Seb (Seb), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan, that reminds me of a video of Ray Manzarek performing with Michale McClure (LIVE LIONS? Released by Mystic Fire Video, anyway). And Ray and P. Glass did a version of Carmina Burana. (Glass has said he got some of his basic approach from seeing the Doors at the Fillmore, with Ray playing more than on their albums.)Townsend credited the genesis of "Baba O'Riley" to Terry (as well he might...)

― Don, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan, Michael McClure did a concert on video, performing with Ray Manzarek. Think it was LION LOVE? Released by Mystic Fire Video, anyway. Also, Ray and Glass did a version of Carmina Brurana, which I haven't heard. (Glass also has said he got some good ideas from Ry's composing and playing for the Doors). Pete Townsend said he got the idea for "Baba O'Riley" from listening to Terry, duh. Is Terry going to do an album of those McClure settings? I guess we should include Arthur Russell applying his (and other people's) classical training to to disco. (THE WORLD OF ECHO, with lots of bonus tracks and DVD, comes out Oct. 27, according to Amazon.)Also see the Prog/Disco thread.

― Don A, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

The Flying Lizards/Michael Nyman collaborations!

― Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry to post twice; it said I'd failed the first time. Yeah, Toop and Beresford also played *in* Flying Lizards, and I think Dan named some others on the Prog/Disco thread. Lester Bowie's recorded with David Bowie, and there's more Don Cherry on the Lou Reed box. Bob Dylan sings and pays with Arthur Russell on the Ginsberg box. (And jazz critic Kevin Whitehead says that Dylan's said he's recorded Ornette and Don Cherry. Anybody ever heard those boots?)

― Don, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Don Cherry was on the Rip, Rig + Panic records w/his daughter

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

don, you always have such informative posts, but you write like a madman

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Ornette is on Lou Reed's The Raven, and some album by Joe Henry that I've never heard.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 10:26 (nineteen years ago) link

United States Of America to thread.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 10:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Philip Glass also contributed a string composision for the end of Paul Simon's "Hearts And Bones" album

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 10:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Kenny Wheeler playing flugelhorn on parts of Sylvian's "Gone to Earth", and also Harry Beckett on the same instrument. Rather good record, having Fripp and Bill Nelson by turns on guitar.

― Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Never really got Gone To Earth - a bit too close to ECM-lite for my tastes, I'm afraid, though I distinctly recall at the time angry Duran fans returning the record to shops in droves because they thought the John Taylor credited on piano was the Duran John Taylor, as opposed to the Britjazz pianist John Taylor.

Secrets Of The Beehive, however, is awesome.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Imformative posts, writes like a madman. Per the latter , you mena the Voice stuff, or the posts? The posts are hasty, in between office work. The Voice, er--anyway, had forgetten about Ornette, but is he one the single-disc RAVEN as well as the double? The confusion of John Taylor's makes me wonder if anybody's ever checked out Insect Trust because they thought it was Robert "Addicted To Love"Palmer's old band. Last night I listened to a bonus track on the reissue of Cristina's SLEEP IT OFF, where she's drawling the POV of this dangerous baby gold digger,recorded a decade before the emergence of Anna Nicole, and co-written by her and Robert Palmer, and I can't tell which one! Talk about your avant pop. Also listened to THAI BEAT A GO-GO VOlUME 1, on which Thais put their own thing on American pop. Johnny's Guitar likes to take surf/Space Age Bachelor Pad themes into something like early psych, and, on "Supannahong," they meld some of those bits into Thai classical music. Sort of like "Venus In Furs" sitting down very carefully in a hot tub (strangely mellow). (I got this from forcedexposure.com). Also, should we consider avant garde music with pop *movies*? If so, make mine Bebe and Louis Barron's way-before-Moog tracks in FORBIDDEN PLANET, and Stanley Kubrick's turning me on to Ligeti etc. in SPACE ODYSSEY and THE SHINING.

― Don, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't read the voice, talkin about your hasty, in between office work posts.

also, how could i have forgotten about the Robert Fripp & Darryl Hall album?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Fripp's solos on "Heroes," "Fade Away And Radiate," and his playing on and production of the better Roches albums (he's even got the Synergy guy on summat!)

― Don, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Yoko Ono to thread.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 14 October 2004 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Marcello, I always loved all but two songs on Gone To Earth, which I find a little sappy. "Before the Bullfight", however, is one of Sylvian's greatest (and longest) melodies; and the "Wave"/"Riverman" medley on side two is time-stoppingly beautiful. Also, I don't think anyone could accurately call the title track "ECM-lite"

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 14 October 2004 02:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't Fripp considered more of a rock guitarist anyway?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 14 October 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course... art-rock (even art-pop, 'pon occasion; the 'MOR trilogy'). I was just considering "Gone to Earth" at large, and I do feel it's a very beguiling record. Nay as great as "Brilliant Trees", admittedly; not heard "Secrets of the Beehive" yet.

― Tom May (Tom May), Saturday, 16 October 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

And there's always the way Sonny Sharrock brought the (perfectly timed!)avant noise to Herbie Mann's super-cheesy "Philly Dog" on LIVE AT THE WHISKEY A-GO-GO.

― don, Saturday, 16 October 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure if Annette Peacock with Bill Bruford (on Feels Good To Me) counts.

― dlp9001, Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

really bummed out on reading the Outside the Dream Syndicate hate.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:44 (nineteen years ago) link

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