Tzadik: Search & Destroy

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I don't expect to like most of what Zorn himself has done, but after buying New Traditions in Asian Bar Bands, I'm thinking I should cautiously explore his work some more. Same goes for the Tzadik label itself. I absolutely want to avoid being so seduced by the packaging (which I like) that I buy disc after disc, despite disappointments, but I have a feeling that at least a small percentage of this stuff has to be good. (Ha ha, but I don't trust anyone else's advice in this case, for the most part.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 14 March 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

The new Ben Perowsky album 'Camp Songs' is fantastic. It's a jazz trio with Uri Caine and Drew Gress doing songs that he learned in Jewish summer camp as a kid.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 14 March 2003 04:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I saw that album and was intrigued. So it's worth checking out then?

slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 March 2003 04:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, it swings more than most Tzadik stuff (which is fine by me), but the playing is great and there's a nice sense of playfulness as well as a couple beautiful arrangements. There's one track with chimes and acoustic guitar over the jazz trio stuff that's especially great.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 14 March 2003 07:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Say, would you mind naming me a couple of the songs they re-interpret? I'm curious as to whether I sang any of them myself as a kid.

slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Though I suppose I could just check it out at Tzadik's website or something.

slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Adon Olam, Shema (two versions), Aleinu, Birkat Hamazon, Yigdal, and a couple of originals.

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 15 March 2003 03:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
i now shall second the above proposition that Eyvind Kang's "the story of iceland" is THE SHIT.
watch me go start an eyvind thread....

bob snoom, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 09:02 (twenty years ago) link

nine months pass...
Ernesto Martinez: Mutaciones looks very promising.

"A native of Mexico, where as a young man he encountered and became friends with American marverick Conlon Nancarrow, Ernesto Martinez has been sculpting remarkably original polyrhythmic compositions for well over a decade. Inspired equally by Balinese Gamelan techniques, the player piano masterworks of Nancarrow, and Mexican folk traditions, Ernesto Martinez and his group Micro-ritmia blends complex and virtuosic hocketing techniques, meticulously performed on a combination of piano, marimba and altered guitars, with a striking sense of drama. Tzadik is proud to present the first recordings outside Mexico of this iconoclastic composer."

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

the early Jess posting here almost made me cry

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

'Cosmic Tree' by the Rabbinical School Dropouts - a mini-orchestra playing traditional and non-traditional Jewish music - is both listenable and fun. I'd like to buy more of this stuff, but last time I picked up a Painkiller album. That was hard work.

Jason J, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

ruins symphonica and anything with marc ribot

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

the kayo dot album is the first thing on tzadik i've cared about in years. since otomo yoshihide's "cathode," at least.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

Hoahio's Peek-Ara-Boo is a cool record, kind of DIY avant-pop. Sachiko M isn't with them anymore, but the new percussionist is great.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

search: danny cohen, rodd keith

destroy: zorn

jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder what John could have meant by that comment.

Broheems (diamond), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

before jess became fred astaire.

jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

just want to second the rodd keith / i died today [1996] call. good stuff

Nick Sylvester, Monday, 15 March 2004 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't disliked anything I've heard on Tzadik. I know there was some debate about it on this board but I really like the sound/production aesthetic of Tzadik. Clean, crisp, detailed.

Some searches:

Massacre - Funny Valentine.
Ikue Mori - Garden is marvy too. Intricate layered Alessis drum machines.
Yes, Ibarra's Flower After Flower, absolutely.
Merzbow - 1930

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 15 March 2004 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

Cathode by Otomo Yoshihide is one of my favorites on the label

Horse Tricks by Mark De Gli Antoni is one of my favorite albums of all time.

Yes to: destroy Zorn

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Monday, 15 March 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link

Recentish releases I've heard and enjoyed on Tzadik:

Zorn's 50th Birthday Celebration Concerts Vol. 1: Masada String Trio (volume 2 is a Zorn/Graves duo disc, can't fucking wait!)

Kabell Years - Wadada Leo Smith (great reissue of 4 privately pressed 70s Smith albs w/ extra tracks etc. - all of the Wadada Tzadik releases I've heard are superb, and reason enough to 'justify' the label's existence)

Filmworks XIV: Hiding and Seeking - John Zorn (beautiful soundtrack recorded by most of the Electric Masada group)

Meditations for Piano - Borah Bergman ("solid enough")

Plus I finally heard Solo for Wounded CD by Yasunao Tone, a wonderful piece of electronica that offers a v. different take on micro-glitch


Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 15 March 2004 08:36 (twenty years ago) link

maryanne amacher

also 'ganryu island': a 'solid' improv sesh between zorn and michihiro sato.

''Zorn's 50th Birthday Celebration Concerts Vol. 1: Masada String Trio (volume 2 is a Zorn/Graves duo disc, can't fucking wait!)''

:-o

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

That Kayo Dot record is (mostly) excellent. Love the gurgling, distorted vox on the third track, the whole doom metal vibe on the last... and just the way they managed to really make disparate elements really FLOW together. A couple of corny emo mumbling bits, but I can forgive em. The earlier MotW material is good too but didn't really accomplish the loose, flowing vibe nearly as well. Not the usual type of release for the label but I think it fits in. A much better 'rock' release for Tzadik than, say, that dull Mono one.

Cathode is also great, yes. First track is something I heard a couple of seconds of and knew I could easily listen to it if it went on for an hour or so.

original bgm, Monday, 15 March 2004 13:05 (twenty years ago) link

Where did all the Zorn hate come from?

I'm really looking forward to that Zorn/Graves cd too.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
I listened again to the first half of Mephista's Entomological Reflections and I found myself thinking I really don't need much more of this kind of music. It kind of reminds me of Kontankte, but with an occasional, brief, tangential jam. (Four second jams?)

I n t e r e s t i n g sounds, but like much of this music, it doesn't hit me on an emotional level.

I definitely like Ibarra's own Folkloriko more.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Destroy.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

And in fact, I bought the Mephista CD in a weak moment. I walked back (through a pedestrian-un-friendly area, much of the way) from an unsuccessful trip to Home Depot to buy a female-female adapter for my kitchen faucet. I stopped and at a new Turkish restaurant where the food was too dry for me. Then I went to a good, but somehow depressing, indie-oriented CD store and bought this in a weak moment. I tend to buy the wrong things at moments like that.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you looking to sell it?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I was thinking about reviving this. Haven't been interested in any Tzadik for awhile, but the recent Birthday Series looks pretty appealing. Electric Masada, Locus Solus (Arto Lindsay/John Zorn/Anton Fier), and Zorn/Milford Graves are all tempting.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

'Patterns of Plants' by Mamoru Fujieda is my favourite.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Just looked that up- sounds interesting Momus I'll check it out.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you looking to sell it?

Not yet, sundar. It's not difficult to listen to really, it just doesn't excite me much. But since it's not difficult to listen to, I will probably throw it on at least a few more times. I might just keep it around for the sake of having some of that sort of thing on hand.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry for missing italics.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.missingfoundation.com/images/logo001.gif

Missing Italics.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Hemophiliac: 50th Birthday Celebration Volume Six
Mike Patton, Ikue Mori and John Zorn are Hemophiliac, and together they are responsible for some of the wildest improvisational music ever. Performing for Zorn's 50th birthday month and playing to a packed house of screaming enthusiasts and obnoxious groupies, this set shows them at their most focused and most intense. Their first release since the 2001 online-only limited edition, this is new music from the outer reaches of madness.

Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
i haven't been following this stuff for a couple years, but these discs just crossed my desk:

bar kokhba sextet vol. 2
sanhedrin: masada 1994-1997: unreleased studio recordings
jamie saft trio: astaroth

anyone got anything to say about any of them?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

ftp://ftp.bunglefever.com

I've Said It Before, Friday, 29 July 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

The only thing I have from Tzadik is Bailey/Tacuma/Weston's Mirakle and I remember the musicianship being excellent but I can't think of a single note.

When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a moray! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 30 July 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: DNA "Live at CBGBs" cd

Destroy: Tzadik and its prices and its founder

ghetty green (eman), Saturday, 30 July 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

how am i going to go through this stuff, it's like 6 discs!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 30 July 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Hoahio "Peek-ara-boo" is sooo great! I think i'm gonna lap up the whole New Japan series because of it

Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Search - The Gainsbourg covers album

Destroy - MArc Ribot, Yo! I Killed Your God.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Wha? What's wrong with that Ribot album?

Is the Hoahio a new release? The most recent Tzadik releases I picked up were Ikue Mori's Myrninerest (one long computer music composition - quite impressive) and Merzbow's Sphere (interesting - I need to listen some more).

Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Nah the Hoahio is from 2003, I was just late to the party... How's their first album?

My life with Baaderonixx and the Choco-pops babies (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
This looks good: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=19234

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 30 September 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I am so happy this is being reissued. I think it's a good moment for it too. (On the other hand, I barely remember what it sounds like. Maybe I will be disappointed.) I enjoyed the live performance by this group that I saw in 1987.

Henry Kaiser / Charles K. Noyes / Sang Won Park: Invite the Spirit 2006 [#7617]

One of the most evocative and successful meetings of East and West reunites to weave their magic spell via kayagum, electric guitar and percussion. Invite the Spirit was a sensation when it was first released in 1983 and now over twenty years later they are sounding better than ever. Joined by two scintillating Korean P’ansori vocalists on several tracks this is a whole new take on the Korean shamanistic tradition. Over seventy minutes of timeless, ecstatic, magical music unlike anything you’ve ever heard.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Except maybe it's not clear that it's just a reissue. Why the 2006 added to the title, if it's just a reissue? I will give it a chance either way.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Destroy: Zorn's saxophone

señor citizen (eman), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

zeena parkins' new CD necklace is my favorite zeena on tzadik, why'd she wait till now to write string quartets

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I got that too, and also like it -- though my fave tzadik is Ruins Symphonica, which is so not surprising that by posting I am opening a little black hole right....here

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Fomo really makes me want one, this is some of my favorite music, but I just can't pull the trigger on a pricey CD boxed set, especially for CDs I used to own.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 December 2023 19:27 (four months ago) link

I used to own two of the CDs but one went missing several years ago.

o. nate, Monday, 11 December 2023 19:29 (four months ago) link

Maybe it's in the boxed set.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 December 2023 19:35 (four months ago) link

Box just arrived. The packaging is pretty sweet...

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0xNbD-vNNV/

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 22:10 (four months ago) link

Nice. Wish I could check out the book.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 22:12 (four months ago) link

Looks fantastic. Let's see if one of these boxes makes it to Europe these days. Tzadik website is still down.

EvR, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 10:39 (four months ago) link

Does anyone know if the 'hour of rare alternate takes, rehearsals, and inserts' on the Masada box duplicates anything from the Sanhedrin two-disc set of unreleased Masada studio recordings?

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 10:49 (four months ago) link

Does anyone know if the 'hour of rare alternate takes, rehearsals, and inserts' on the Masada box duplicates anything from the Sanhedrin two-disc set of unreleased Masada studio recordings?

Not 100% sure, but I don't think so. There's only one overlapping track from Sanhedrin and Disc 4 of the box set ("Tiferet") and the new box set it says it's a rehearsal take. Discogs listing of the 10xCD box has no track times though so I'm not entirely sure.

EvR, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 11:41 (four months ago) link

Thanks!

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 11:43 (four months ago) link

Wait, the box is billed as the complete studio recordings, but it doesn't include Sanhedrin?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 13:29 (four months ago) link

The box is the original 10 albums as they were issued in Japan in the 90s, with 7 bonus tracks (rehearsals, punch-ins and alternate takes) added to the fourth disc to bring it up from 20 minutes to 78. There’s a note in the book saying basically “there’s even more stuff on Sanhedrin!”.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 14:11 (four months ago) link

Huh. At least "Sanhedrin" is on streaming.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 14:16 (four months ago) link

I may wind up buying Sanhedrin at some point, but I got this box because I'd never owned any Masada stuff in physical form; I just downloaded the albums (and Sanhedrin) at some point.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 17:01 (four months ago) link

I've got to admit, my adult brain is fighting the fomo ...

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 14:09 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I came super close to buying this but didn't. I did, however, see that Second City Prints, which was handling Tzadik Limited stuff, just declared bankruptcy, and that some people that bought the autographed copy got a regular copy instead (and that SCP has not always been responding/refunding). Didn't Zorn recently get hosed by a *different* third party label that went bankrupt? Dude needs to find/pick better businesses.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2024 12:25 (three months ago) link

Shoestring gonna shoestring, what can you really do

Anyway, you can get them mail order from Downtown Music Gallery

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:52 (three months ago) link

https://roulette.org/event/improv-nights-2024/

A BENEFIT FOR TZADIK RECORDS

Limited Run, the online distributor for Tzadik’s direct-to-consumer mail order projects has declared bankruptcy owing the label $70,000. To help rebalance this loss these kind musicians have generously offered to make these three concerts benefits for Tzadik.

Please come, donate, and help Tzadik continue its mission to support and document new music in the 21st century.

A three-night run bringing together master improvisers to perform in multiple configurations and combinations, organized by and featuring John Zorn with Ikue Mori, Wendy Eisenberg, Dave Douglas, Sean Ono Lennon, Peter Evans, Kalia Vandever, Miles Okazaki, and many others.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 17:57 (three months ago) link

It's crazy to me how even artists I've been listening to for more than 30 years, who are known worldwide, are balancing on a knife's edge financially. Zorn, Laswell...these are major cultural figures, and they're basically living gig to gig.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 18:11 (three months ago) link

Laswell I believe, especially after the last couple of years. But Zorn, I suspect he's doing fine between gigs, grants, etc. If people are curating multi-night festival appearances featuring him and several of his bands, I'd hope he's at least got some pretty good guarantees coming to him. Granted, he likely rolls a lot of that into his labels/projects, but that's a choice. (A choice I'm glad he's making, mind.)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 19:01 (three months ago) link

Cool ty, I always wondered about the art!

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:01 (three months ago) link

Yeah, that was great.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:04 (three months ago) link

Yeah, that's great stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:05 (three months ago) link

It's crazy to me how even artists I've been listening to for more than 30 years, who are known worldwide, are balancing on a knife's edge financially.

It's not that crazy. thanks, Spotify!

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:07 (three months ago) link

I gotta be honest, I wish Zorn would sell more merch! Bring on the posters, the prints, t-shirts, the coffee table books! The Tzadik site has pretty slim pickings.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:13 (three months ago) link

Related, I wonder when/if they are going to (home) release the Zorn docs that the actor Mathieu Amalric has been making:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ybQOI5M3g

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:28 (three months ago) link


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