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Alot of kiddy-punk types I know listen to AFI. They're OK. The other bands I'm not sure about.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

This will probably be the least offensive best of 2003 list I'll see. I have a lot of the albums, and ten of my favorite singles of the year are on the singles list. They give more props to pop-punk than an ILM list would.

Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

Why did I think that Charles Aaron was black until I saw a picture of him last week?

Really? I've been reading Charles Aaron's writing in SPIN since I was a young teen, and I always thought of him as being a super-white guy. I'm not even sure why - something about his writing makes me think of nerdy white grad students.

I always thought that Sasha Frere-Jones was a woman up until fairly recently.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

My Morning Jacket is good, probably not Matthew's cup of tea though. Too many classic rawk influences (Young, Pink Floyd)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

Oh. Uh.. Is Spin still a magazine?

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

Just for clarity - I've heard My Morning Jacket, Atmosphere, and Ms Dynamite (she was on SNL with Queen Latifah). I'm just a) totally underwhelmed by them and b) unaware that they have any real following outside of media/writer types.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

Re Charles Aaron, I just thought he was a super-nerdy black guy.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sure, but aren't The Thrills that band from the UK who are like some kind of bastard child of The Eagles and the Beach Boys? I think they were on Conan a month or so back, and I was really bored by them.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

Atmosphere and AFI were packing out shows long before anyone wrote about them nationally

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

The Thrills are Irish, I believe.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

Brand New and the Jealous sound ditto. they're all, whaddaya know, internet bands, more or less.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

intie rock

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

Are Brand New emo, Matos?

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

Thursday? Yeah Yeah Yeahs?

Ouch.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

I've only heard five albums on this list (in order: Outkast, Radiohead, Metallica, The Mars Volta, The Rapture). Of those, I like three and hated two.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, so are the Jealous Sound. AFI are gothy and Atmosphere are hip-hop.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

Spin was bought out as a front for the CIA's covert psychic spy program about 10 years ago. SPIN = Subversive Psychic Intelligence Network.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

um, no offense, Phil, but your tastes are, how we say, *specialized*

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

I have yet to hear Atmosphere but my brother wants to have about 5,000,000 of their babies. AFI is kind of fantastic.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

Atmosphere are fucking great, you should really hear them.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

Matos, Mr. #1 ListMan, I'm interested in your general thoughts. (Not kidding at all.) I've always really really enjoyed Charles Aaron's writing, but lists in general are wonky.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

haha Jeanne it'll have to wait because I'm editing you right now!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

As a sometimes defender of Ryan Adams, I have to say that album is atrocious.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

The Dizzee Rascal pick is actually pretty interesting, considering the album won't be released in the U.S. until 2004.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

I'm interested, Matos, because, seriously, this year didn't excite me much, and the list above re-assures me in my "eh"-ness. Christ, what the f* is up with rock? Don't get me started on punk. Okay, now go back to editing me.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

As a psychic intelligence network, SPIN can look into the future to gather information. Look at Chuck Klosterman's predictions for 2004 to see what I'm talking about. I believe he is one of their most talented operatives.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

(Which reminds me, I'm curious to see how the Notwist are going to fare on lists this year, seeing as how quite a few people ranked the import on their 2002 lists and others may ultimately consider it a 2002 album.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

Jealous Sound is the only band on there that I've never actually HEARD OF, though I have no idea what some of those (other?) emo bands sound like. Here are the ones that I had no idea anybody cared about:

39 The Jealous Sound "Kill Them With Kindness"
36 The Thrills "So Much For The City"
35 Brand New "Deja Entendu"
31 Spiritualized "Amazing Grace"
22 Pretty Girls Make Graves "The New Romance"
16 Blur "Think Tank"
11 Metallica "St. Anger"
07 Thursday "War All The Time"
Jane's Addiction "Just Because" (which I don't think I've ever heard)
19 T Rumschmiere "Monstertruckdriver"
12 The Donnas "Take It Off" (fine, but just another Donnas track, I thought -- was this actually a hit or something? I must've missed it.)

I like that Rumschmiere album myself, though damned if I could tell you what its "single" sounds like. Most pleasant surprise on both lists, I think, is Joe Budden. But where the hell are Lil Jon and the East Side Boyz, David Banner, Ying Yang Twins, the Youngbloodz, Turk and/or any Southern hip-hop at all beyond Outkast and Bubba Sparxx, in what was probably crunk's biggest and best year ever??? How odd.

I have nothing against AFI, who are kind of catchy in a goofy way.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

Also in the issue:

Top 10 Reissues

10 The Moles "On The Street/Rare & Weird"
09 Television "Marquee Moon"
08 Aphex Twin "26 Mixes For Cash"
07 Miles Davis "The Complete Jack Johnson Sessions"
06 The Allman Brothers Band "Live At Fillmore East"
05 New Order "Retro"
04 Neil Young "On The Beach," "American Stars & Bars"
03 Talking Heads "Once In A Lifetime" (box set)
02 Bjork "Live Box"
01 Led Zeppelin "How The West Was Won"

Band of the Year: Coldplay

Revival of the Year: Women rock the main stage (Distillers, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Donnas)

Trend of the Year: "Mainstreamo"

The Rest Of The Best

Eccentric Geniuses of the Year: Outkast

Video of the Year: Johnny Cash "Hurt"

Best Anti-Corporate Rant of the Year: Conor Oberst disses Clearchannel

Class-Action Suit of the Year: Fans sue Creed for sucking.

Movie of the Year: School of Rock

Live Band of the Year: Metallica

TV Show of the Year: Punk'd

DJ of the Year: You (iPod)

Most Desperate Grab For Relevance (Or: Weirdest Children's Book Promo: Madonna/Britney kiss at the MTV awards.

Surgical Footage of the Year: Jack White's broken finger.

Pet Rock of the Year: Friendster

Credibility Move of the Year: Justin Timberlake

Flops of the Year: Smash Mouth "Get The Picture," Robbie Williams "Escapology" (US sales only), Fischerspooner "#1," Everclear "Slow Motion Daydream," Live "Birds of Prey," Sugar Ray "In The Pursuit of Liesure," Third Eye Blind "Out of the Vein"

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

I was hoping the iPod would make album of the year a la "Your Hard Drive" in 2000, but nope.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

Haha, except for Robbie Williams and Fischerspooner, those "Flops of the Year" read like "These bands were popular in 1997. How dare they continue putting out albums!"

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

WTF with EVERYONE snubbing Ween's Quebec? Not just SPIN.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

I like 27 of the records on this list (I haven't heard some and that 27 is taking you crazies' word on Dizee Rascal)

I think pretty much all of those singles are good songs, except for the couple I haven't heard.

Now, maybe this aren't THE BEST records of the year but that's not a bad batting average.

I think Pretty Girls Make Graves is the sellout emo punksters that bring the John Hughes soundtrack noise for Hot Topic kidz. That album grew on me alot.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't heard that PGMG album, but I liked the first one a lot. Still a little surprising to see them on the list, though, since I don't seem to recall their move to Matador being accompanied by much hype at all. I mean, I saw more ink spilled on their debut for Lookout! But I also don't read SPIN.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:12 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just curious why two of the singles ("Lose Yourself" and "No One Knows") came out last year (and have the same guitar riff, wtf?!), a la the White Stripes' winning Album of the Year in '02 for an '01 release. or as C. Klosterman puts it, "for the third time in three years, [Jack White] and his fake sister have unleashed the best record on earth." Yeah, and two of those times were with the same album!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

Spin's operatives' psychic implants sometime malfunction, causing them to confuse time streams.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't they try to pull a "well, it was released on a major label in 2002" with White Blood Cells last year? They certainly can't say that about Eminem or the Queens of the Stone Age.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

12 The Donnas "Take It Off" (fine, but just another Donnas track, I thought -- was this actually a hit or something? I must've missed it.)

Yeah, Chuck, it was their big hit -- video for it and all. They had a second single, but it didn't do much.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

but the Donnas record was '02 as well! fuck, that's three!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

and timberlake

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

and nas

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

but "Cry Me a River" was an '03 single from an '02 album--I don't think that's true of the Donnas song.

and, yeah, Nas, duh--I forgot about that. gimme a fucking break!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

2002 is the new 2003.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

actually, "cry me a river" was released as a single in december of last year (it was on my p&j ballot). it's totally fine for spin to list it, but it's another example.

and the missy record only made the list cuz they EXPECTED to like it, which is lame.

on the whole the spin list didn't bother me. even though the blender one is better.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

and i like spin, i do, but that whole fred durst article? fucking weak!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

and andy greenwald, i love you too, but you know yr allowed to write about non-emo bands, rite?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

"That record had terrible reviews, it had no hits, and as far as I can tell, most of Metallica's fans didn't really care about it. "

Oddly enough, it got good to great reviews in all the big mags (RS,Spin, & Blender), which I feel means that once again, rock crit has its oversized head placed up it's much more oversized ass waaaaaayyyyy too far.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

you can put any track, regardless of its single-release status, on your P&J ballot, though.

I'm 3/4 through Andy Greenwald's book; it's terrific.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

i'll get around to reading it eventually. it's just funny tho, cuz when i read blender or spin i don't even need to see a classification on the band -- if he's got the byline, i know what it is!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

Is that Andy Greenwald book out? I tried to find it but couldn't, and my mother, who works in a bookstore, couldn't find it either.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

"diva house"? Are we talking about the same Avalanches or have I just never really paid attention to them? (The stuff I remember was dense sample-happy big beat that seemed to viscerally connect with everyone who heard it except me.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

It FELT more like diva house than big beat (which can really rock). People made a big deal about all the samples, as if the samples (most of which weren't recognizable anyway) made the music FEEL any different (which samples often do). It's like they took a thousand samples and used them in the most uninteresting way possible! (Then again, I haven't played the damn thing in two years, so maybe I'm confused, or I'd think differently if I heard it now. But I doubt it).

chuck, Thursday, 4 December 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

i just heard the avalanches album for the first time a couple weeks ago! i bought it used. it was okay, but it already sounds old. as in dated. but even when it came out it must have sounded a tad too little to late, no? mebbe there was a 1 or 2 week window when it sounded sorta fresh. or maybe the people who really loved it had never heard the decade and a half worth of stuff that sounds similar? but somehow i doubt it. fatboy and chem bros fans musta been jonesing for something similar is my guess.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

It's funny, I was just checking that Avalanches record for the first time in a loooong time a day ago, and it struck me as sounding weirdly dated already too. It doesn't sound bad - a few of those tracks are pretty great - but yeah, it feels very stale.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

Compared to, I dunno, M/A/R/R/S or *Paul's Boutique* or "Adventures of Grandmaster Flash" or S-Express or KLF or Coldcut or Double Dee & Steinski or Todd Terry or DJ Shadow or Edelweiss on Kon Kan, the record just sounded so fucking SERIOUS. And people acted like Using A Whole Bunch of Samples was a new thing, which it wasn't. At. All. (Well, maybe the QUANTITY was. But then again, I don't like Steve Vai or Joe Satriani, either, you know? Lots of notes as such: who cares?)

chuck, Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

I thought me and Trife got along fine Jess!

I just bought this issue cuz of the John Mayer/David Cross singles review thing and SPIN is so all over ILX's jock. They even did the Year In Fred Durst Craziness!

And Chuck is OTM re: The Avalanches. I found it incredibly hard to give a shit about any track for more than 10 seconds.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:06 (twenty years ago) link

hee-hee, i was gonna mention everything you just listed, chuck. even edelweiss. people who really love the avalanches will no doubt tell us why all that stuff is beside the point or something. it's really not bad. just lacklustre in parts. i'll take any one song off of my major force box-set over that whole album though.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

Some bits from the Avalanches record would sound good if they were less busy, and had some good MCs rhyming over them. "Two Hearts In 3/4 Time," for example.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

I am not going to try to figure out my personal top 10 of the year until I actually get to the end of the year, but the ones from that list I have heard more than once are

33 Lucinda Williams "World Without Tears"
30 Cat Power "You Are Free"
21 The Mars Volta "Deloused in the Crematorium"
16 Blur "Think Tank"
10 Radiohead "Hail to the Thief"
05 Yeah Yeah Yeahs "Fever To Tell"
01 The White Stripes "Elephant"

Cat's a little laconic for me, and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs could have stood to wait until some more early-EP-quality material came along, but I like the others fine. I would love to hear the Spiritualized and the Outkast, but not too concerned about missing all the rest of it.

Dave Vinson (Gaughin), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I recall liking some bootleg thing I heard where Avalanches used "Like a Rolling Stone" better than anything on their album.

(As for being "dated," though, I dunno, I tend not to acknowledge that adjective. If music is good, it stays good. If it sucks, ditto.)

In related news: Hey, what ABOUT that "bootleg" fad, huh? Where the hell did THAT go??? (No worries; in seven years it'll be back again, and people will claim like always that it never happened before.)

chuck, Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

Apparently it still exists, it's just mostly a continuous mix/live club thing.

The Avalanches' appeal to me isn't the "wow lookit all the samples" approach as it is the general "every genre can be pop" feel to it. It's just a great-flowing album where so many disparate pieces just seem to fit perfectly. And "serious" is the last word I would ever, ever consider when thinking about "Frontier Psychiatrist" or "Two Hearts in 3/4 Time".

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

The Avalanches completely turned me off with "Frontier Psychiatrist". It just didn't appeal to me AT ALL (which is odd because you'd think that track in particular was tailor-made for me).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

I know that "everything fits together all neat" sounds kinda like a lazy way to put things but Since I Left You is probably my #1 example of "how to create a cohesive album-as-entity"

Dan, "Frontier Psychiatrist" is like the everything-goes-haywire moment where every convention of the album gets ratcheted up to obsessively bombastic levels -- Since I Left You's "House of Blue Leaves" sequence. The rest of it's a lot subtler.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

(Funny thing: a stand-alone version of "Electricity" was released as a 12" single about a year before the rest of the album was released. Makes me wonder if they ever extracted or constructed single versions of any other tracks; even the "Frontier Psychiatrist" single sounds like it's about to switch into "Etoh".)

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 December 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, one of the interesting things to me about Since I Left You is that, yes, they used over 900 samples or whatever and so it feels so dense -- but some of the same samples (the whinnying horse or the "since I left you" vocal) recur throughout the album, which to me makes it feel a lot more centered and soulful than if every track was throwing 20 different genres into a stew (although that would probably be an interesting album in its own right).

I totally adore "Two Hearts in 3/4 Time."

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 4 December 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

Y'all some PROG mutherfuckers lemme tell ya

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 4 December 2003 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Also, whereas a lot of sample-filled music feels like a visual collage, with wacky juxtapositions of various media, the Avalanches (with the exception of "Frontier Psychiatrist," probably) feel more like a bright, messy painting: big streaks of different colors that are distinct from each other but also just look like a huge, multihued splash on the canvas.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 4 December 2003 20:12 (twenty years ago) link

(Anthony, I've been worrying about my prog tendencies lately! I was trying to make a mix CD along the lines of Nate's Challenge, and I kept getting drawn to like 12-minute tracks and justifying them for their "mastery"!)

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 4 December 2003 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

(I don't think that post about painting is going to help me, either!)

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 4 December 2003 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

Obv focusing on the amount of samples used is missing the point whether you like *or* hate The Avalanches! The point is the sonix! And the "diva house" parts are the best parts!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 4 December 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

I like the Spin list more when there were only 20 albums. These big lists seem to just pick every decent album released that year.

Shmuel (shmuel), Friday, 5 December 2003 08:52 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
07 Thursday "War All The Time" In my opinion this was the best album of 2003 and so far 2004, who cares if it was released last year.

Xeropunk4life, Friday, 23 April 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Way to tell 'em.

sLeeeter kinney (Leee), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree! That's why Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band has been my #1 album each year since 1967!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
you suck

tegan, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

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j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link


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