Joy Division vs New Order

I used to hate the production, Jon - I suppose I was looking for a 'Closer' part 2 or whatever.. But I was wrong - lots of this is amazing - brittle drums on Truth (I think), fizzing electronics and wierd phasing which really works. I'll have a listen tonight if I have time and try and describe it better. I think the Peel sessions are good, but more conventional and flat.

New Order's period of finding their way, from the "Ceremony" single through Power, Corruption and Lies was an absolute thrill to follow. I still get that feeling of new possibilities listening to Movement, although I can see how it could sound callow to someone more attached to what New Order arrived at.

I think when New Order albums "hold together", they can be kind of boring. I like the way Power, Corruption and Lies doesn't hold together. I'm also put off by the vocal on "Your Silent Face", but its instrumental parts are utter genius. Also, I thought Brotherhood was generally agreed to be crap, so I wouldn't call it overrated.

This thread has become "TS: New Order vs New Order".

i am with dan and dr.c on this one. movement is my favourite no album though it isn't really a no album. i find it is one of the most touching albums ever made. sumner tries to sing like curtis and writes lyrics which could have been curtis's to commemorate curtis's death. and no are sad in all their shallowness. and get ready was a return to form. and technique was great as well. and low-life is rubbish. the songs are crap and the production is even crappier. and no are a singles band except for movement.