what elmo and tom said, basically--the dude comes across as too trusting in america's ability to be smart about shit
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
not good at speaking for 10 second clips on the 6 o clock news
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
hard to say but i think he believes his own hype at this point
messiah complex (likely to evolve into martyr complex)
― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
yeah what max/tombot/elmo said fourthed.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
might not be able to tame congress and end up like Clinton in 1994
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
Also a bit of what deez said - I'm worried he's setting himself up to disappoint everyone.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
has convinved people like me to be largely uninterested in this question
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
He has a bit of this tendency to come off like "I fully understand this problem because I've read many essays about it." Which makes me like him and wince at the same time.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head
It's hard to see how staying in Iraq is helping to prevent domestic terrorism. Even McCain wants to close Gitmo. I doubt civil liberties will go all the way back to pre-9/11 status, and not sure if Obama is even suggesting that they should
― o. nate, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
-- gabbneb, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:55 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
shock of shocks
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
-- max, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:48 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
i really want to believe this is true, but it sounds the kind of bs that be lipped by his supporters - his flaw is that he's TOO right about everything? ill take that.
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
foreign policy naivete. biggest thing that worries me about him by far. if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head
-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:45 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
this is more lol gwb put u in a jackpot sry!
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
i am really curious as to what hes gonna do w/the gitmo dudes who we have evidence against thats inadmissible due to torture tho
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
i wonder about his ability/willingness to get his hands dirty and wrestle things to the ground. saying you're willing to talk to iran/hamas/whoever is all well and good, but if you go into those situations you have to go in saying, "here's the deal: you can get this and this, you can't get this and this, and we're going to have to fight about this and this -- but if the fight goes on too long, you get nothing." the bushies have been terrible at that stuff, so it's not like the bar is set particularly high, but it would be nice to have someone who can actually get some things done. (wouldn't have to be him personally, but he'd need some hardball players around who knew how to do that.) (same applies in dealing with congress, obviously.)
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
deex -- i didn't say he's overly correct, but i think he may be presumptuous that America will be eager or grateful about implementing the changes he wants
― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
also I am dead serious that his uh um uh tic that he has when you can tell he's thinking on his feet is really not reassuring at all
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
he actually comes across as a guy who would be an absolute expert at that kind of stuff to me tipsy
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
yah he def should cut that out xp
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
nodding slowly and looking thoughtful is the way to go
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
his uh um uh tic that he has when you can tell he's thinking on his feet
this doesn't bother me so much -- it's campaign season and he has to be excruciatingly calculating about his diction. when he speaks off the cuff he gets in trouble, but really only because he running for office
― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
or alternatively quit being so optimistic about your fellow humans that you keep getting surprised by shit, like Wright dropping an atom bomb on you on national television
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
xp Still, I think Hillary is a better extemporaneous speaker.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
his almost musical hand-gesture of 'conducting' a discussion / 'putting a fine point' on an argument
it's like the new bubba remote
― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
I don't think Tom's point is that Obama is going to cause terrorism to happen, just that when it does he's going to look bad.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
you guys all seem to think obama waaaaaaaaay less pragmatic than i do, i guess
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
I actually HOPE he's more cynical and pragmatic than I'm giving him credit for.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
eh tom did begin his post w/"foreign policy naivete." soo...
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
-- Hurting 2, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:18 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
isnt this precisely cuz its easy to paint him as a pussy/pushover, which you guys all seem to be buying into?? i think hes far from either of those things. and i dont mean to draw this into electability issues, just that im more interested in what might be lurking behind the 'optimist' facade
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
i mean, this guy is naive?? he comes across as a freaking borderline genius to me
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
The Bush adminstration has done so much to restore if not empower the executive branch that I doubt President McCain, Clinton, or Obama would be so eager to rescind those powers -- why would you?
I wish he was an atheist -- with his oratorical skills he could do lots for the millions of us who want to hear a convincing defense of godlessness put to theists. And yet, and yet, I suspect he IS less of a god-fearing man than he pretends. Something about his preternatural coolness bespeaks a kind of deism.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
Can't see that happening. He's got too many friends there already on both sides. Senators apparently luv the dude.
unless you ask her about bill's position on nafta and she goes into that uncomfortable cackle that's soooo painful to watch.
― kenan, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
just a little armchair psychoanalysis, let's all be cool
― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
its funny how everyone buys the optimist/naivety package - its a symptom of dumb cynicism - those two really dont have to come together
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
in fact i bet that obama is closer to the optimist/cynic model
its funny how everyone buys the optimist/naivety package
^^^. The right wing has been all "SEE? SEE? AUDACITY OF HOPE MY ASS!" the last couple of weeks; they've accepted the narrative that Obama is a New Kind of Politician. To me he's "new" only in that he understands the importance of words and is uncommonly quick-witted.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
yeah i dunno if thats directed at me or not but i agree -- im not saying i dont believe the guy isnt genuinely optimistic, but i def dont believe he's remotely naive, like not even remotely remotely xps to jhoshea
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:27 (5 years ago) Permalink
not directed at u in the slightest deez
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
paranoid/optimist ^^^ lol
More on Obama & civil liberties: he voted to make permanent all but two of the PATRIOT act provisions that had been originally passed with an expiration date - so not exactly a wide-eyed innocent on that front.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
Early on I thought he came off as naive when he said that having lived abroad was a foreign policy credential. Like not only naive for thinking that (which he might not have, really), but naive for thinking it sounded good.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:42 (5 years ago) Permalink
i really don't think disappointments with an obama presidency will be with character flaws per se.
something that occasionally makes me uneasy about his campaign rhetoric is that he'll elide the differences between kinds of identity, most problematically ethnic and economic identities. being Latino isn't really like being rich even though there's a fair degree of mystification cast over class as culture in this country. i don't really know where i'm going with this; it fits his overall message well to talk about the poor/rich divide as bridgeable, but that's a divide that economic policy should be targeted at eliminating or at least bringing closer, it's not like the problem is, oh if only poor people and rich people could just sit down over coffee and talk.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
which i'm sure he knows and in part he's hemmed in by the landmine that is talking about class in America.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
oh if only poor people and rich people could just sit down over coffee and talk.
-- horseshoe, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:48 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
(ahem, not that I've seen it.)
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
isn't the deal with character flaws you see powerfully ten years after that they're the things you saw as VIRTUES at the time
no one's going to be lookin back at president two-term obama and sayin "yes how did i not see he was naive?" -- what will piss you off abt him will be a quality you were pleased abt back when you voted for him
― mark s, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
he will beat me in basketball and steal my girlfriend
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
maybe but i was really (maybe willfully?) blind to the bill clinton is untrustworthy thing in the 90s. i can see how it was the flipside of his charm in retrospect, i guess.
xpost
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
edwards was better at talking about class that obama, as i remember, but i also think its "easier" to talk about class as a white guy than it is as a black guy
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
and the flip side of that was that edwards was no good at talking about race.
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
uh, whatever that would mean, i guess
Signs that read “Deer Crossing” and the like are going to continue to pop up throughout our country including Avon Lake, but who are these signs for? Deer cannot read, do not obey the law and probably will cross where they wish. Although adorable companions, it is hard to remember the last time that the news reported an animal talking, thinking or providing significant input for the benefit of society. Yet, these signs cost taxpayers like so much of government.
Dogs, cats, whales, seals and deer are animals that might enhance a human’s life, but all cannot read, write or think. They are animals. Yes, people dress them, buy them extravagant blinge and do other strange things with them; however, animals are not human. They are on this earth like trees to make humans’ lives better. As humans we must be kind to them, eat them when hungry, feed them when they are, but remember they are here to enhance our lives. Besides, it appears that this gesture of kindness to animals does not extend human to human. This President’s Obamacare appears to welcome abortion of innocent babies. It is painful to think that there are those who cry for seals while Obamacare never blinks an eye at abortion.
Somewhere the advancement of society has been limited by animals and the unscientific malarkey of loons. America has had to halt drilling, construction, experiments for medicine and cosmetics and much that might benefit humans.
Yes, signs are important-- to humans; “Stop” signs, and others are more than just costly decorations scattered along the roadways. However, depending on the school district, most humans can read them, but animals not so much.
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 February 2013 19:21 (3 months ago) Permalink
Was that in the SOTU address? Cuz I don't remember it there.
― Aimless, Saturday, 16 February 2013 19:30 (3 months ago) Permalink
"blinge"?
― SOYLENT GREEN IS SHEEPLE (stevie), Saturday, 16 February 2013 20:34 (3 months ago) Permalink
Check her blog: http://www.theprickleypear.com/
Rich ain't bad.Unless your parents literally gave you the farm and several million dollars, you are not the one percent that President Obama is working to devalue and destroy. Most of us have settled for working hard to earn our paychecks and then the government taxes and steals most of our money.It used to be that liberals would pit conservatives against the population by using the race card. Discrimination as it relates to sex, age and race might be an issue, but last I heard this President is part Black and part White and, probably, an American citizen, who received 51 percent of the American vote. So it appears race is a non-issue.
With those three discrimination labels less important, now there’s a worse label that Jesse and Al most likely will travel first class to stomp down--”rich.” Unbelievable. Getting people fired up about “rich” rather than jobs, taxes, health care, billions spent by this Administration on failed plans, failed projects seems to be the new plan. Who could ever have imagined an American President devaluing hard work and the American Dream?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 16 February 2013 20:51 (3 months ago) Permalink
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest "Deer Crossing" and other signs located on a road are for the operators of road-bound vehicles. I'm not really sure why that is such a difficult concept to grasp.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 17 February 2013 16:36 (3 months ago) Permalink
Words are fun and worth clearly stating, in English if in America, and with an opinion that is yours because it’s good to have an opinion.
― :C (crüt), Sunday, 17 February 2013 22:41 (3 months ago) Permalink
and, probably, an American citizen
i guess we've just gotten so numb by Birther craziness -- and Teabag craziness has exceeded even Birther craziness -- that we just let this one slide w/t comment.
― i have a history of enabling your mother. (Eisbaer), Monday, 18 February 2013 03:04 (3 months ago) Permalink
Fuck this guy:
http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-bill-blunt-agriculture-006/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 29 March 2013 05:22 (1 month ago) Permalink
fuck a house and a senate more like, tho he's still a dick for signing it.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 05:44 (1 month ago) Permalink
One year could be all it takes to cause catastrophic damage to the environment by allowing laboratory-produced organisms to be planted into the earth without oversight
lol orly.
not really down with the anti-GMO crowd tbh
― k3vin k., Friday, 29 March 2013 13:57 (1 month ago) Permalink
Why? In the UK, we don't do GM food. The public DO NOT WANT.
― karl lagerlout (suzy), Friday, 29 March 2013 14:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
US ILX = agribusiness cheerleaders. Obama SCOTUS 2017!
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 March 2013 14:20 (1 month ago) Permalink
Precautionary principle seems warranted. And don't hate the grateful dead just because their fans suck!
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 29 March 2013 14:22 (1 month ago) Permalink
Xposts
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 29 March 2013 14:23 (1 month ago) Permalink
J-Pod says some things.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 March 2013 17:34 (1 month ago) Permalink
http://badskeptic.com/?p=123
― Mordy, Saturday, 30 March 2013 15:27 (1 month ago) Permalink
It's not filibustering Republican senators it's the guy in the White House, says inside the beltway rightward leaning columnist:
Obama’s failure to strike while the iron was hot offers a lesson in presidential leadership that goes beyond gun control. On almost every topic, from budget negotiations to national security, Washington seems only to act these days in response to crisis, if it acts at all. Obama erred in trying to use Newtown to build support for his positions on taxes, energy and immigration. And he compounded the error by sending Joe Biden off to conduct a study — an unnecessary delay when solutions were obvious. Once the president took his foot off the accelerator, no other action — not even Michael Bloomberg’s ad campaign — could maintain the momentum.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-on-guns--too-little-too-late/2013/03/28/93a2287a-97f1-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 30 March 2013 16:56 (1 month ago) Permalink
failure to strike while the iron was hotthe president took his foot off the accelerator
Does the WaPo not hire editors?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:26 (1 month ago) Permalink
I would vote for dana milbank instantly and repeatedly for any position where he would never be heard from again.
― Aimless, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:26 (1 month ago) Permalink
I really don't think they ever have editors look at the work of their columnists.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:46 (1 month ago) Permalink
Not only is Barack Obama wrong politically, he's not a good guy, "cool," or even moderately likable.
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2013/04/30/30-reasons-to-dislike-barack-obama-n1582397/page/full
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 14:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
howbout we just keep the posts focused on what a right-wing authoritarian fuck he is, who would be loved by the above if they weren't racist?
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 14:59 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
x-post -That's like 3rd-rate National Review material
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
can we vote on these?
9) He ate a dog once which is just gross.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:04 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
no prob dr. m! just wanted to give the responses of townhall commenter "commiedregs" a hearing
http://townhall.com/social/commiedregs-606149/comments/
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
my favorite
29) After it came out that the Korean rapper Psy had wished death not just on American soldiers, but their wives and children, Obama made a point of shaking his hand publicly even though the fact he was in the same room with him had been controversial.
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink