Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

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Ah, the AOL MSTie days. Got my first stalker out of that bunch.

Anyway, I adored the show. Was a staunch Mike defender in the Mike v. Joel days, now I'm not so sure. Favorite bit (of all time): "Are You Happy In Your Work?"

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What the fuck are you doing here, Colin? :)

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dan -- you saw a KTMA on the air? I envy and worship you, my liege.

Colin -- yeah, I remember you were, but the stalking? No, not that.

The boards also attracted a number of true mental cases, most unforgettably KeijiKJ. He was similar to Gondola Blob in that he indulged in casebook net.kook behavior: delusions of professionalism, snottily dismissive of any random thing, threw around the word "clique" a lot. I've even heard stories that he scared the bejesus out of BB members during the first con. I personally had a thoroughly pointless argument with him about the population of the cities in California.

Concerning Mike, I'll say this: there are quite a few times during the Sci-Fi-era when he seemed to be sending out his performance via Fed Ex. Sad, because it was clear after CC he was capable of much better. But you know, a lot of the Sci-Fi-era episodes that initially seemed kinda minor and kinda eh to me now strike me as being thoroughly solid.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That was my first exposure to MST3K. I had no idea that it was going to become so huge; I only thought that snarky Minnesotans would find it funny!

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, you're lucky and we hate you. There. ;-)

I'm waiting on Mike's next collection of essays and novel myself. The Megacheese collection was a scream.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Michael: With you and Dave R. here, it was simply a matter of time.

Stalking resulted from an unfortunate IRL encounter with a nice enough person. I thought it was a lovely afternoon, she thought it was TRUE LOVE FOREVER. Eek. The story resolved harmlessly enough -- she found TRUE LOVE FOREVER again with another MSTie, and this time it was returned.

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What the hell do I have to do with anything, Mr. Meeder? I've never seen you before in my life! (Weren't you supposed to get me a job?)

MST3K was never that big a part of my life - I watched it sporadically, and I always seemed to be in the wrong state of mind to truly enjoy it. I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

David Raposa, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

DR: I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

But wasn't Mike balder than Joel? I'm confused. No matter. I'm balder than both, and I agree with David.

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm watching Rocketship X-M right now and it looks as if Joel is balder than Mike. I agree wholeheartedly that BALD(ING) = SEXXXY (my real and imaginary boyfriends are testament to this) but Joel really isn't bald enough to be sexy-bald.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

grr, watch it daddino.

ethan, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Le huh?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Let me second Ned's Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese rec. Even if you don't like or are not familiar with MST3K it is an extrodinarily funny take on a lot of overblown movies of the 80s and 90s.

Nicole, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Had you gotten that job I mentioned, David, you'd have been laid off about five months ago. So I did you a favor by being a hopeless slacker.

I think that my slight preference for Joel has something to do with a sense that the guy's a bit . . . off, where Mike is merely charming and funny.

Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Merely? I wouldn't go that far, though he certainly projects more immediate affability. But every so often he comes out with something or takes on a role that makes you a bit nervous. Thus, when he wigged out about his old temp job in one episode, and in Time Chasers where he played his drunk angry brother or cousin, I forget which. Sure, it's a role, but he inhabited them rather well. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sampo once remarked that in interview, one can sense that there's something very dark and private about Mike just percolating below the surface, and that's colored my impression of him ever since. One thing to remember: "I suffer from excruciating headaches that dozens of neurologists have tried unsuccessfully to treat. I think I might be possessed."

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I appreciate the fact that both Mike and Bridget are very private about their home life, but from the sound of it from some of Bridget's comments it's a very happy family, lots of singing and nuttiness and fun with their kids. A good reminder that the show was, after all, just a performance.

But yes, Mike has the angst in there somewhere. He just tempers it very beautifully -- thus his legendary turn as Morrissey.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Fair enough -- Mike probably *is* a churning cauldren of angst. But I think he (and his rage) are probrably more based in reality, where Joel strikes me as more otherworldly. Which I prefer (slightly, only ever so slightly) in humor.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Oh, about time for a revival (thanks in part to a recent link from Mike D.). Actually, there were a number of episodes I didn't have, mostly from the sixth season, but my Seattle trip has given me the chance to dub a lot of those from Brian's collection, yay me. Plus I finally have Daddy-O and Fugitive Alien, that took long enough!

To add to the book recommendations -- Mike N.'s general essay book Mind Over Matters is another fine read (the TV essay alone is some kinda genius, the mock 19th century novel even more so), while I very much liked Kevin Murphy's A Year at the Movies. Chris Piuma mentioned he felt it was fairly Joe Queenan-like and therefore not as distinct as it could be, but I think it was handled very well and worked as both microstudy of the moviegoing experience and general reflection. Certainly any of the ILF/film-going hounds on this board should consider reading/borrowing a copy, at least. Then there's Mike's new novel Death Rat, which I really need to order next month...

And praise to all the other castmembers doing things and the continual rolling out of more DVDs, though apparently Rhino says they've exhausted what they have the rights to right now and are looking into securing more, hopefully...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

...although a quick check of the SatNews link sez there's some sort of further DVD thing coming out later this year, hm! Good thing to know. Also, anyone in Minneapolis can go to a writing workshop taught by Mary Jo Pehl next month, which I think would be great (I'm an unabashed fan of hers but she seems to really grate for a lot of MSTies...).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

is this ever shown in the UK?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It may still be on the Sci-Fi Channel UK, but your best bet is to go on S0ulS33k and download entire episodes (which are about 700MB a pop, FWIW).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've never come across it here, Mark - but I have never had the Sci-Fi Channel.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It was certainly on (late night) on the Sci-Fi channel a couple of years ago.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that sounds great, rah Mike! Nicole, I might be able to help with dubbing too though I still need a second VCR, but also please drop me a line about another possible source...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

FYI, Best Brains Inc. has its own little shop with some non-Rhino treasures. I highly recommend "Mr. B's Lost Shorts" which has the hands-down best short, "Mr. B Natural" - you know, the one with the ridiculously perky, questionably-gendered Neverland shill for Conn brass instruments.

"Bad touch."
"Does this mean I like guys now?"
"I feel ill."
"Spanking time!"

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It is a thing of beauty, that particular short. And chilling horror. Yeah, there are two short comps that are on DVD, but neither contain that gem. It's possible this thing Rhino is promising is some sort of basement-clearing compilation of all the various video oddities that have surfaced from Best Brains -- the second Poopie tape (the first is a DVD bonus with Manos, the scrapbook, more shorts like that, etc. But we'll see, I guess! (My other irrational hope is a full-on special edition of the movie...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Keep in mind that the fidelity on these files is sometimes suprisingly good considering the size, and sometimes fairly bad, but even the worst files usually have more than enough detail for a person to get what's going on.

I'm hoping the DVD is a Santa Claus vs. The Martians/Santa Claus double fun pak. It is going to come out late 2003, after all.

Later I may want to say something about MST3K in light of Mark's venting on Zappa, but right now I want to go to Central Park and maybe the Malevich exhibit before it starts raining (again).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink



Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the tuba is like a fat jolly king! knew your father I did!

This show got me through middle school.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Live fast, die young, leave a fat, bloated, ugly corpse.

luna (luna.c), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"That squares my breasts!"

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen about four episodes of MST3K, but "Mr. B Natural" has got to be one of the funniest shorts ever! "We're white, we're white, we're really, really white..." I obv need to get a-downloadin on this show.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Sunday, 25 May 2003 23:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It is good to see the newer folks here who have the love. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen a couple but I didn't get the point. Why not just rent the original B-movies and come up with your own sarcastic comments?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well...that is the point, kinda. The AOL MSTies used to monkey-pile together in a chat room, and riff like mad to cable TV movies or rented VHS tapes. I remember Congo and A Star Is Born being particularly good for that.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have no TV. I have no VCR. But I do have about 40 tapes of MST3K, well over 100 episodes, mostly Seasons 2-7, with a few 1s and KTMAs.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'll admit mst3ks were like bad movies with training wheels for me (and yeah, I love watching b-movies with friends now), but the best episodes still leave me crying.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hard core MST3K-ites with lots of bandwidth should check out the Digital Archive Project which is where I'm getting most of my episodes from.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

blimey chris, that site's enough to make a young man run out and get broadband and a huge eff-off new harddrive...

(current space on home PC C-Drive abt 700meg, it are old and small)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 26 May 2003 10:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

did I mention that I saw them live w/Joel at the Uptown Theater, one of the TWO PERFORMANCES EVER w/him? well I did < /gloat>

"Santa Claus, you're coming with us!"
"You're coming to town."

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, I do have broadband and a sum total of 150GB of storage over a couple of drives. My consumption rate of DVD-R blanks is pretty scary.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen a couple but I didn't get the point. Why not just rent the original B-movies and come up with your own sarcastic comments?

Because I'm not funny. And neither are you.

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"nipple nipple tweak tweak AWAY!"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

sundar OTM. funny at times, but c'mon snapping along to a movie is way up there on the annoyometer.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And to explain the 'point' a bit more to the unbelievers Sundar and Gff, or at least note the method -- the Best Brains put in a lot of effort and practice over time to make what seemed like a casual delivery of comments done on the spot be just that rather than the intensively scripted effort it really was. When they're firing on four cylinders at their best, it's a marvel.

Fave all time moment ever, from any episode -- this snippet from Santa Claus Conquers the Martians, delivered and timed JUST RIGHT:

MARTIAN: "What soft, and round, and you put it on the end of a stick --"

SERVO: "An elf?"

MARTIAN: "-- and green?"

SERVO: "Oh, a DEAD elf."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"It's not funny when other people do it" is one argument, but "do it yourself" is silly. Why watch a movie at all, then, when you could make your own? Because that's what people do.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Someone should invent MST3K glasses with the robots printed on the bottoms of the lenses for people to wear to movies, except that it would be unnecessary, since the robots are already built into the cognitive and aesthetic faculties of an entire culture. MST3K assumes its audienes are so impotent that they can't enjoy even "bad" films first hand but can derive pleasure from them only over the shoulders of robots.

Chris Fujiwara (sounding a little prim), here.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(I don't endorse his opinion fully, btw, but hey dissent and all.)

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Argh, that article. Did I ever want to smack up Fujiwara after reading it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ohhhhh they're chasing the BOAT

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 25 November 2016 05:48 (two months ago) Permalink

Trace's Crow works a lot bluer, I am v fond of him


and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 25 November 2016 15:07 (two months ago) Permalink


Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:54 (two months ago) Permalink

What's great is that they also made a 3M joke in Pod People when it came to the "It stinks!" song.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:55 (two months ago) Permalink

Well, by gum, the bonus things for today Joel announced ARE indeed all that:

On Monday, I also promised that – since we didn't have any new episodes ready to show you on Turkey Day – I'd send a special treat on Friday to make it up to you.

And you know, I know it's a treat some of you have been wanting for a long time – maybe even since we first ran this advertisement in The St. Paul Pioneer Press Dispatch on Turkey Day of 1988, when our very first episode, Invaders From the Deep, premiered on KTMA.

So yeah, some of you already guessed it, but let's make it official:

I'm happy to tell you that we finally found master tapes for two of the three "lost KTMA episodes" of MST3K: Invaders from the Deep, and Revenge of the Mysterons from Mars.

I actually thought we had discovered copies of these episodes at one point during the Kickstarter last year, and I was really excited that I'd be able to finally share them with you… and then it turned out that we hadn't found them, and it was a real bummer. But then, earlier this year, a few final boxes turned up. And there they were: the very first episodes of MST3K ever made.

So yeah: If your Kickstarter rewards include any of the "Classic MST3K Bonus Episodes", the two "lost episodes" are now waiting for you – a special "Happy Turkey Day" present from all of us at MST3K.

I didn't go this route, but presumably these things are going to circulate from here realllll quickly.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:12 (two months ago) Permalink

FWIW, this means that the final episode that has never circulated at all is the original riff on Star Force: Fugitive Alien II, which was the third KTMA episode overall. But presumably it's out there...

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Meantime, word from MST3Kinfo that Tony Zarindast -- the man who gave us <I>Werewolf</I> -- has passed:

His IMDB page is worth boggling at thanks to the English language titles alone. A one-man mini-Cannon:

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 December 2016 22:06 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Whoa, they're showing a Season 1 ep on "CometTV", a standard-def broadcast channel. I've never actually seen one of these.

And can see why, this shit is pretty ropey, even for these guys.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 2 January 2017 04:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've tried, and the best I can really say is that it's a BIT tighter than KTMA MST. What's remarkable is how quickly it gels in Season 2 - still some tough eps in there, and a little bit samey between the three grim, ugly CCI "rebel" pictures and the four flat sci-fi snoozers from Lippert... but Catalina Caper is one of the first classic eps, and Kevin and Frank don't need any warming up at all. Ring of Terror and Godzilla vs. Megalon, too...

mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Monday, 2 January 2017 05:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Season 1 is choppy but sometimes the 'what the' nature of the films then carry it all.

Will be seeing Trace and Frank again at SF Sketchfest in a couple of weeks.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 January 2017 06:43 (one month ago) Permalink

my recollection, which i can't really verify, is that mike nelson came on board between seasons 1 and 2. i think people really underrate his influence as a writer on the show; there's this tendency to conflate mike nelson the person with mike nelson the character and treat him as someone who magically appeared on the show in the middle of season 5.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 2 January 2017 12:56 (one month ago) Permalink

My sister gave my son a set of MST3K dvds for xmas. He'd never seen them before. I haven't watched it in 20 years. There was definitely uneven quality, but we had a great time watching them together.

Anyway, this project is a few months along, but I'm just seeing it for the first time today:

how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink

It must happen

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

how old is he? cuz damn, by now there are a bunch of refs on every show that a 30yo wouldn't get. (I understand they're still entertaining outside of that.)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

He's 12. And yeah, there were refs in there that I don't even get, but still enough laughs to make it worth watching for him I guess.

how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Shout Factory does the exhaustive job of explaining every single reference in the annotations of the full episodes they've put up on youtube. Probably meant to be viewed in the spirit of a commentary track.

Evan, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:04 (one month ago) Permalink

"Hmm, I don't understand this joke." (Checks footnotes) "Oh, I see. Crow thinks this person looks like a particular 1970s character actor." (Milk comes out of nose.)

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:10 (one month ago) Permalink


how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:11 (one month ago) Permalink

i think the original appeal was partly that people born in the '60s and '70s shared the experience of watching dreadful movies on TV when "there was nothing else on," which is now extinct

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, the passage of time inevitably demonstrates how much of a snapshot it all was. But a possible comparison point -- Monty Python was just as explicitly steeped in its own time and place, and TV culture, and won a wider audience beyond that which (AFAICT) continues to the present. That said it's all so much legacy now.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:29 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Some more backers-only news from Joel -- take this bit as you choose:

And in the meantime, the great news is the new shows are turning out really fine. It’s so interesting seeing Jonah, Baron and Hampton’s riff styles emerge, and remember: like some of you, Jonah, Baron and Hampton grew up watching Mystery Science Theater, and as you’ll soon see, movie riffing is in their DNA! It's also just amazing how great Felicia and Patton did as the next Mads. I’m just knocked out. They’re obviously both such talented pros, but they totally bring it to these new episodes.

Now, from what I can tell – and based on showing the pilot to a few close friends – it’s a slightly different tempo than the movie riffers of yore. To me, that makes sense. It’s simply a function of new people (both writers and performers) coming in contact with these films and the show format. And you know, even though it’s an updated version of MST3K, I really feel like the original spirit of the show is still there. Hope you think so too.

So yeah: when the new episodes come out, I hope you'll give your ears time to adjust to the “now sound” of MST 2017. I think you'll like what you hear!

No formal release date still.

Plus, Funko are making Crow and Tom Servo figures:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 January 2017 19:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Oh and having said this:

Will be seeing Trace and Frank again at SF Sketchfest in a couple of weeks.

This was in fact unsurprisingly a treat. (It was a week ago and the perfect antidote to a stupid day, obv.) The movie in question was a truly dire demi-film noir obscurity, Walk The Dark Street, starring pre-Rifleman Chuck Connors as a clenched-jaw Korean War vet psycho:

A perfect experience down to the horrible transfer. Written and directed by the guy who wrote Robot Monster, Wyott Ordung (no, really). Further MST3K connection out of nowhere: the guy who played the leering assistant in Racket Girls, "Joe," plays a store clerk at one point. If you have seventy minutes to kill, here's the film straight up:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 January 2017 19:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Wow Joel sounds really uncomfortable with the result...

Evan, Friday, 27 January 2017 20:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

tried watching this, it's pretty weak. he doesn't seem to have a funny bone in his body.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 January 2017 23:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I have questions

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 23:09 (five days ago) Permalink

Though I see it's part of a broader effort:

The licensing program is helmed by Elie Dekel, of Dekel Brands. Strategic partners for licensing and merchandising on board thus far include:

· Dark Horse (serialized comics, graphic novels, coffee-table book and gift items)
· FUNKO (vinyl figures, and FUNKO-POP figures)
· Changes (t-shirts, tops, sweatshirts)
· Insight Editions (Ultimate Episode Guide, trivia books, journals)
· Great Eastern (buttons, patches, stickers, pins, gifts and novelties)
· Just Funky (gifts, beverage/barware, key chains, auto accessories, table-top gifts)
· Zen Monkey Studios (t-shirts, sweatshirts)

Most interested in an Ultimate Episode Guide -- I wonder if it's meant to be a collation of the original book plus the four seasons that followed (plus the forthcoming one, I guess).

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 23:48 (five days ago) Permalink

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