― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:25 (8 years ago) Permalink
― andy, Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:02 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:08 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:25 (8 years ago) Permalink
http://www.prouty.org/nixon.html
George Bush Sr. was working for the CIA at the time, dealing with cubans, but that's another story.
I love me some conspiracy theories.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:22 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:33 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:41 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:43 (8 years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 9 October 2004 03:29 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:04 (8 years ago) Permalink
Former Texas first lady Connally dies
By Kelley Shannon, Associated Press WriterSeptember 2, 2006
AUSTIN, Texas -- Nellie Connally, the former Texas first lady who was riding in President Kennedy's limousine when he was assassinated, has died, a family friend said Saturday. The 87-year-old was the last living person who had been part of that fateful Dallas drive.
Connally, the widow of former Gov. John Connally, died late Friday of natural causes at an Austin assisted living center, said Julian Read, who served as the governor's press secretary in the 1960s.
As the limousine carrying the Connallys and the Kennedys wound its way through the friendly crowd in downtown Dallas, Nellie Connally turned to President Kennedy, who was in a seat behind her, and said, "Mr. President, you can't say Dallas doesn't love you."
Almost immediately, she heard the first of what she later concluded were three gunshots in quick succession. A wounded John Connally slumped after the second shot, and, "I never looked back again. I was just trying to take care of him," she said.
She later said the most enduring image of that day was the bloodstained roses.
"It's the image of yellow roses and red roses and blood all over the car ... all over us," she said in a 2003 interview with The Associated Press. "I'll never forget it. ... It was so quick and so short, so potent."
Read said Connally had been sitting at her desk writing thank-you notes when she died.
"She has been extremely active and vital the past few days and weeks," he said. "It's a shock to all of us."
In 2003, she published a photo-filled book -- "From Love Field: Our Final Hours with President John F. Kennedy" -- based on 22 pages of handwritten notes she compiled about a week after the assassination and rediscovered in 1996.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry called Connally "the epitome of graciousness."
"Long before she was propelled into the national spotlight from the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, she was a Texas icon," Perry said in a statement.
Connally, formerly Nellie Brill, met her husband at the University of Texas in Austin, and they married on Dec. 21, 1940.
John Connally managed several political campaigns for fellow Texan Lyndon B. Johnson, including his 1964 presidential campaign. Connally was elected Texas governor as a Democrat in 1962 and won re-election twice, serving three two-year terms.
He was treasury secretary in the Nixon administration and ran for president as a Republican in 1980, when Ronald Reagan was elected. John Connally died in 1993.
Nellie Connally helped raise money for many charities. In 1989, Richard Nixon, Barbara Walters and Donald Trump turned out for a gala to honor her and raise money for diabetes research.
"I've never known a woman with Nellie's courage, compassion and character," Walters said. "For all her ups and downs, I've never heard a self-pitying word from her."
John and Nellie Connally suffered financial difficulties after he left office. Private business ventures after 1980 were less successful than John Connally's career as a politician and dealmaking Houston lawyer. An oil company in which he invested got into trouble, and $200 million worth of real estate projects went sour, and he ended up filing for bankruptcy.
Nellie Connally served on the Board of Visitors of The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center since 1984, and a fund in her name raised millions for research and patient programs. The Houston hospital's center for breast cancer also is named for Connally, a survivor of the disease for more than 15 years.
About a year ago, Connally moved back to Austin after decades in Houston.
Survivors include her daughter, Sharon Connally Ammann, two sons, John B. Connally III and Mark Connally, eight grandchildren and seven great-grandchildren.
Funeral services are pending. She is to be buried near her late husband in the Texas State Cemetery in Austin.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:33 (6 years ago) Permalink
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:36 (6 years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink
There was a documentary, maybe a couple of years ago, that pretty convincingly dealt with every doubt/conspiracy theory including the 'magic bullet' one. IIRC it was to do with the fact that the seats at the back were higher than the seats at the front, and that the front of the car was more narrow at the front. Or something. Anyway, by the end of the documentary I was completely won over to the Oswald-acting-along side.
― Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:18 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:29 (6 years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:59 (6 years ago) Permalink
1. Oswald did it and he was a lone gunman, without any assistance whatsoever.
2. Oswald was a patsy and INSERT CONSPIRACY HERE did it.
Why not
3. Oswald was solely responsible for physically shooting Kennedy, but he was aided/abetted/instructed in doing so by party or parties unknown.
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:34 (6 years ago) Permalink
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:35 (6 years ago) Permalink
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:43 (6 years ago) Permalink
I've always thought that this was the most likely explanation.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:54 (6 years ago) Permalink
― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:08 (6 years ago) Permalink
That's kinda what I believe too. With the CIA & FBI knowing all about it, but looking the other way.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:22 (6 years ago) Permalink
wasn't like 30 minutes of Stone's JFK spent on this?
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:45 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:29 (6 years ago) Permalink
This documentary (that I mentioned earlier) looked into that as well, and the gist of it was that there had been so many supergrasses over the past 40 years that it was unthinkable that if the mob had been involved the truth wouldn't have come out by now.
― Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Thursday, 14 September 2006 08:36 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 14 September 2006 08:40 (6 years ago) Permalink
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. The conspiracy crowd likes to talk about the body count of mysterious deaths associated with the assassination, but what about the body count of just being a mid-level Mafia soldier in the 1960s? Most of those guys were probably dead or in jail by the mid-70s.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:12 (6 years ago) Permalink
― gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:18 (6 years ago) Permalink
so did Oswald
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:28 (6 years ago) Permalink
So then, why did Jack Ruby whack Oswald?
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:37 (6 years ago) Permalink
― gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:45 (6 years ago) Permalink
― gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:47 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:50 (6 years ago) Permalink
There's a fair amount of errors in Case Closed though, which make it about as useful as the pro-conspiracy books. Posner is a dick forever though for his famous post-9/11 "focus and clarity" editorial in the Wall Street Journal where he reversed his opinion on Bush II and came out in support of him.
Still, I would have liked to have seen of his debates with Vincent Bugliosi.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:03 (6 years ago) Permalink
― xave (xave), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:32 (6 years ago) Permalink
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:41 (6 years ago) Permalink
-- xave (sl...), September 14th, 2006.
Deep Politics and the Death of JFK?
i agree, it's an interesting read.
for me, the most plausible scenario is the one discussed in this book:
Live By the Sword by Gus Russo
it more or less argues for Oswald acting alone, but creates context for his motivations.
here's the forward from the book for good measure.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 23:42 (6 years ago) Permalink
Kennedy — An Unfinished Life, by Robert Dallek
You could also say much the same about 9/11.
― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:36 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:37 (6 years ago) Permalink
The dude defected to the Soviet Union! Do people forget this? Also, some dude he was in the service with thought he was a fake commie working for the CIA to find real ones.
― Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:47 (6 years ago) Permalink
Kerry Thornley!
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:00 (6 years ago) Permalink
Later, the KGB figured that Oswald acted with potential mob help, and that the CIA and FBI didn't care since Kennedy was out of their hair.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:07 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:11 (6 years ago) Permalink
Also the dude who wrote a BOOK about Oswald pre assasination!
― Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:13 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:15 (6 years ago) Permalink
Well, there's no convincing evidence for string theory, yet, and we're not giving up on that.
Berating conspiracy theorists for lacking evidence has always struck me as rather unscientific. You invent hypotheses and then gather evidence, right?, not the other way around. If you totally disregard hypotheses that lack evidence, no one would ever gather evidence and there'd be a moratorium on new ideas.
It's only been sixty years, and that's nuthin. Sometimes it takes centuries to solve a murder.
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:06 (6 years ago) Permalink
― gear (gear), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:09 (6 years ago) Permalink
― gear (gear), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:10 (6 years ago) Permalink
however, Squirrel Police OTFM about the scientific method
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:12 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:27 (6 years ago) Permalink
funny how Ollie Stone had a character raise that same counterargumenet only to get shouted again.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i've never read a dedicated book so i basically know nothing but i always assumed that the assassination was a zeitgeist thing: a spirit of hate for kennedy floating thickly around, and this weird insecure perennial patsy who wanted to be Part Of History hanging out in a series of rooms drinking while people he wanted to impress grumbled SOMEONE SHOULD SHOOT THE SONUVABITCH. when there's evidence that lbj or dick helms or whoever are Covering Stuff Up i suspect it's not secrets about dealey plaza they're concealing but secrets about the state of the union 1963. (i like the delivery in stone's nixon of "i don't think you understand how much people hate kennedy down here!") but most of that stuff isn't even secret at this point. idk. for me all the lessons that ought to be learned from the assassination have to do with the way the spirit of a time can become so pressurized and toxic that it suddenly spurts out some violence (which then begets violence, which then etc, and suddenly you have The Sixties). the national need to believe in a conspiracy seems like a fear of history: surely someone else must have done this to us. so basically i'm in mick jagger's camp.
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
fear of history, fear of random universe, think you nailed it there
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^this, plus also treasure maps and secret doors for the next generation
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Who did this terrible thing to our city? My GOD it was me!"
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok just imagine Alan Alda playing X, sitting on that bench with Kevin Costner.
haha i thought that was mike love for a second b/c i'm listening to the beach boys thread in another tab and i was like, yeah, i could get behind the idea that mike love masterminded the kennedy assassination
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
"A devastating national trauma will cause people to drown their sorrows in refreshing songs about surf, sun and fun... We'll make millions, if everyone can just keep quiet."
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
"I loved like the warmth of the sun / Within me at night / It won't ever die."
― pplains, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
i heard crosby stills and nash did it
before they could end the vietnam war ... they had to start it
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
"everywoodyallenmovie.com" an important resource of which i was previously unaware
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Grassy knoll and Oswald's schemin'THREE SHOT IN MO-TOR-CADE
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
this summer I hear the gunningJack dead in DEALEY-O
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like this new (?) pop-music-centric conspiracy theory. Too bad Paul McCartney hadn't died yet - one of his doubles would fit the pattern perfectly.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
stone in the director's cut later discredited this character when he tried to set up garrison in a gay bathroom sting!
― omar little, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
The other thing about the assassination, beyond it exerting a continuing fascination-magnetism in the American psyche, etc., is that it's never one HUNDRED percent easy to dismiss conspiracy theories, because of everything else that it turned out the government really was doing, e.g. COINTELPRO, which is partially on record but still mostly redacted and/or classified. Like, it's a ripe atmosphere for conspiracy theories when you have actual conspiracies going on, and everybody (since the, what, early 70s?) now knows at least the outlines of it.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Totally. CIA, mafia, they were all off the freaking chain as far as over-extending their reach, and it's not like batshit stuff didn't really happen.
But I agree that the parties involved are no known for their secret-keeping abilities, so single gunman is still the most rational theory that holds any water.
Part of me does love the conspiracy though. Oswald was such a fuckin mook
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
some good stuff here i didn't know. pretty scary imo.
― piscesx, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:44 AM
hmmmmm - http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/nagell1.htm
― am0n, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
parallax view is dope tho
pakula is dope
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're referring, i believe, to chairing the special operations group. as vice president. as you know, that was... unique. not so much an operation as... an organic phenomenon. it grew. changed shape. it developed... appetites. it's not unusual in such cases that things are not committed to paper. that could be very embarrassing!
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's a shame you didn't take similar precautions, dick!
xp re pakula: if you like wide angle shots of soul deadening 70s corporate architecture, he's your go to man
― the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
He was your go-to guy for that sort of thing. Rollover is practically a filmed catalog of office interiors and exteriors.
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 06:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
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― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OTM, not to mention the Castro assassination plots the CIA kept from the Warren Commission. Oswald may have acted alone, but he wasn't living in a vacuum.
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 06:45 (1 year ago) Permalink