yeah this show has almost lost me :(
If the nerds haven't seethed from the show saying that flipping 10 heads in a row signals a breakdown in the laws of the universe, I think they'll play along with soul magnets.
the coin thing really angers me. i mean the show is ridiculous and i love/d it but surely it isn't "nerdy" to expect ppl to understand THE MOST BASIC RULES OF PROBABILITY THAT ARE USEFUL IN EVERYDAY LIFE
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Friday, 25 March 2011 19:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think this season's high was at the start when it was constantly switching between universes - was really impressive how they handled that imo. i feel like it hasn't really recovered since coming back from the break
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Friday, 25 March 2011 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
i wonder what the first / most influential 'accelerated pregnancy' story in sci-fi (or elsewhere) was.
― j., Saturday, 26 March 2011 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm guessing/hoping this gets better? I am watching the first couple of eps and totally underwhelmed by it all.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Of the first season? Yeah, it gets a lot better and hits its stride in the second.
― sarcasdick (mh), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 12:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
the early monster-of-the-week episodes (like the 2nd episode) were pretty bad. later on they manage to integrate the mytharc into them in a better way.
― three megabytes of hot RAM (abanana), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
so was that the last episode of this season????
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 00:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh no there's more! cooool
i tried really hard to like this show but its really dumm
cant remember where i gave up but im gone 4 good
― spectrum dudes (Lamp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
it is really dumb but it's fun and they eventually managed to build up some likeable characters and ambitious plots. but it kind of got sloppy recently (and it was always a bit sloppy, which was part of why it was great)
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
also it has a good sense of humour and pulls out a decent "jump out the seat" moment occasionally
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i feel like by the end of season 2 it had a momentum & a purpose that made all the contradictions & miscues & general inconsistencies unimportant or at least secondary to the interesting stuff the show was doing. but sometime around olivia's return to ~our world~ this season all those mistakes started to catch up w/ the good stuff & gradually overwhelemd it
i mean i cant even recall what was my personal tipping point although peter is really not as interesting or as sympathetic a character as the show's writers seem to think & i can see it being different for everyone but i lost interest in this shows myth
― spectrum dudes (Lamp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
I want more Walter being goofy, less Walter being upset, and more weird things that involve really interesting ideas.
Now, I just got season 2 on blu-ray, so I'm going to go watch that episode with Peter Weller.
― sarcasdick (mh), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Peter is terrible. x-post
― Melissa W, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i agree, especially abt peter. the stuff where olivia was freaked out by alt-oivia living in her apartment was really cool though. this show clearly treads a fine line but the writers are not afraid to be ambitious and i have some hope they could bring it back for the last 4 episodes.
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
The character of Peter is a lot better when they're alluding to his life before the events of the series. I felt like the recent episode with him doing some nasty espionage to get to the bottom of things could have been a lot better if they referenced that more obviously. Instead, in the chronology, he went from nice but screwed-over guy to violent schemer "because the machine made him."
I don't really have any strong opinions either way about how the actor's portrayal works.
― sarcasdick (mh), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
In this ep, which was intended to be gripping and heavy, my mind kept wandering to 'wasn't Peter some sort of scary weaponized Terminator person a few episodes ago?, and why did they never follow that up?'
Peter's character - con man/Terminator/straight man to Dad/passionate about O but completely unable to act or articulate it - has to be one of the most incoherent I've seen on TV. I think the actor's doing what he can but I'm sure he realizes that he's more of a plot device than a person. The actress playing Olivia by contrast takes all the madness and makes it work, which impresses me more and more. I think in this ep she was confusing her fauxO voice with her Nimoy impersonation, though.
Wondering why fauxO didn't grab ALL the little universe-jumping things (which turned out not to work anyway). Why have them follow you if they can?
― Brakhage, Saturday, 23 April 2011 15:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
i thought he wasn't weaponized, it was deliberate.
― j., Sunday, 24 April 2011 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
In the show, I remember Peter offing a bunch of replicants to snag their spine drives. When Walter confronts him, Peter has this gotta-be-a-gangsta face on and Walter says 'well of course, it's the machine transforming you into a vicious Slaughtery McSlaughterson, isn't it' ... and this idea was promptly dropped to make way for other stuff.
― Brakhage, Monday, 25 April 2011 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
I know what you mean, but I think that was all part of the "look how driven Peter is to SOLVE THIS" story, like lying to Walter about working on it and hiding in a new workspace. The threads drift off to nowhere, like you pointed out, but I think I see where the overall thing is headed.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 25 April 2011 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
I have seen all of it (except last ep). It's pretty good. But those noire type eps were blergh. (Probably didn't help that I had a massive migraine attack when I saw it)
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 25 April 2011 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's not just your migraines. :\
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't mind sloppy characterizations in my SF, as long as it's bringing the wowz, which, unfortunately, French is not doing lately.
― Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
pretty tough 'acting class exercise': 'ok, now we need you to try to type on the typewriter through the mirror in the parallel universe, WITH YOUR MIND'.
― j., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Got kind of interesting this week, no?
Did the other side's 9/11 happen in 2021 or was that just the year that their memorial was laid?
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
That was our side he was in. Just in the future.
― Gukbe, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh no, does that mean there are going to be time-split storylines next season?
― j., Monday, 2 May 2011 04:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost Oh! I thought I saw a bronze Statue of Liberty -- guess not.
btw intersting parallels with Olivia's dislocation in season 1 into the middle of (para)military operation.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe i'm totally wrong then. I thought that plaque said 9/11/2001, with the memorial erected in 2021.
― Gukbe, Monday, 2 May 2011 04:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Jeez, it's going to take 20 years after the fact to get something up??
I barely had time to read the plaque, so all I saw was 9/11/2021 and for whatever reason thought the other side had a terrorist attack on the exact same day 20 years later.
― NoShoutsNoCalls (Leee), Monday, 2 May 2011 04:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, will have to wait for FringeFiles to get their caps up.
oh shit a KID! it's the beginning of the end!
― j., Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
wow did they turn peter into a reverse dawn-from-buffy?
― j., Sunday, 8 May 2011 04:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
In case the JJ Abrams poll didn't scare all the Fringe fans away, it's back this Friday!
― Leee, Lord of Wtfomgham (Leee), Monday, 19 September 2011 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, I didn't do a good job defending olive in that thread. I did say that she is an everyman character but so is doug funny imo (and I dont think every man could relate with doug).
the plots and other characters are more rewarding than whatever level anna torv's acting ability is. honestly, I don't really notice anything off about her acting but then again I don't really pay attention to acting skill in general. anna did have a talented breakdown scene last season when she found out the extent of fauxlivia and peter's relationship. usually when I pay attention to acting skill it's when someone is crying or laughing
― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Monday, 19 September 2011 04:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
Didn't know it was back so soon, that's great! Me and Mrs Chuck really warmed to Fringe over the three seasons. The first season it was just trashy comfort viewing, the second half od season 2 was "Wait, this is actually getting good," and parts of season 3 was some Reaganing awesomeness.
Torv is great! O and Faux are clearly different/same characters -- really difficult trick to pull off. Weird how Pacey had better chemistry with Faux than O.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 19 September 2011 09:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
parts of season 3 was some Reaganing awesomeness.
Weird how Pacey had better chemistry with Faux than O.
― Leee, Lord of Wtfomgham (Leee), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 03:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Picked up this show again after my sister convinced me it was worth it and she was right - wtf why hadn't anyone told me earlier how great it had gotten? Walter is awesomeness.
lol upthread at someone pointing out that Peter was more plot device than character - one of my first "wait, didn't he...?" moments was in the first season where I think they had a subplot about Peter's past catching up with him, except... it never did.
― Roz, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Interview with John Noble from the other day:
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thanks! dude is def the best part of the show - I mean, there are about five different Walters, all at different ages/realities, and it's just amazing how he manages to keep them all distinct but essentially the same person simultaneously.
― Roz, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think the structure of the season opener, going from monster of the week to intro to multiple universes to showing that it wasn't a monster of the week episode but a possible lead into shady goings-on was a decent, if kind of boring, plot.
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I was thinking as the ep was going on that this was all setup for the season arc in the guise of 'wacky case of the week'.
Liking the idea of retconning your own main character/plot device out of existence. Though without Peter how does the whole parallel universe thing happen in the new timeline? Given the 'he has reasons to hate you' Walter is still responsible, I would assume Peter dies in both timelines after the parallel universe is broken into.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I assume that Walter still entered the alt-universe and took Peter, but that Peter died in the icy lake w/o help from the Observer dude.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 23:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Liking the continued equivalence of parallel universe=afterlife (on the other side your loved ones are still alive etc etc)
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've been joking that the weird hybrids in the Season 4 opener are from yet another universe where Walteralternate has a grudge against Walter and Walternate.
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
BTW nu-shapeshifters and Astrid's earpiece are sort of like our-world approximations of their shifters and cellphone earring things, right?
― Carpet Sharkin' (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
That was a solid, fun if unspectacular opener.
Question I never resolved from the last season: How does Walternate actually learn about the existence of "the machine", if it's not in his world?
That would be very Season 3 Alias, so hopefully not...
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 29 September 2011 11:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Happy to see Agent Lincoln Lee upgraded to series regular. Prefer Alt-Linc tbh (he and Alt-Charlie are great), but looking forward to seeing "our" Lincoln becoming part of the team.
― Roz, Thursday, 29 September 2011 12:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like the actors and general vibe so much that I will pretty much watch this show through peaks and valleys. But I feel like they're going to kick more ass this season.
― President Keyes, Friday, 30 September 2011 00:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pefer Alt-Linc tbh (he and Alt-Charlie are great
Yeah, everyone on our side is a fun-hating po-faced emo, except for their Aspie Aspirin, who, btw, has much better hair again yay.
― Incunabuleee (Leee), Sunday, 2 October 2011 06:04 (1 year ago) Permalink