this has become a major saturday night pleasure.current routine : eat with kids. drink red wine. watch crappy saturday night gumph. kids go to bed. watch this + more red wine.subsequently, the catch up prior to the start of each episode is vital.best thing on non-sky/cable tv in ages.there was a time i thought they were referencing twin peaks with bloke-cop always eating, and there was even a scene with a lady who i thought was going to become similar to the log lady, making me for a week or two theorise it was going to go all surreal.thankfully, it hasn't, and has kept me and my better half guessing/reguessing for last 2 months.brilliant.
― mark e, Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
there was a time i thought they were referencing twin peaks
Absolutely, don't forget the video tapes of the dead girl.
― ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah the pics from the american remake look super twin peaks
― just sayin, Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Towards the end of something like this, I start thinking of characters who appeared early, then disappeared from the radar but could be mixed up in it somehow. Rie's dad, for example, and the first police chief who left possibly Knowing Something and was replaced by dodgy Brix. Boyfriend's Dad also a good call, hadn't thought of him.
― Madchen, Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Rie's dad, for example
oh! that is a good point. yes. i think rie stayed true but obviously has something else in play.
― BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Rie's dad is pulling strings somewhere for sure.
Thing that puts me off the boyfriend's dad is maybe a bit ridic, but wouldn't the producers avoid having a muslim as the villain of a major series like this considering the cartoon controversy in Denmark a year or so before this was made?
― ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
Not that anyone would protest against it or anything, but they might just be sensitive towards portraying muslims as the bad guys.
― ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
i definitely don't think he's the major villain -- but they have been sensitive to that, and to denmark's racial politics, they had a muslim guy wrongly accused, and hartmann vindicated by backing him
― BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
So, were we happy with how this ended?
Keeping it spoiler-free, but even though there were still loose ends I thought the quality of the drama, especially the scenes in the basement and the woods, more than made up for it.
― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Sunday, 27 March 2011 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
is it me or are the doors to the offices in the police station terrible looking? like some terrible marbling effect.
― koogs, Monday, 28 March 2011 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
thought the penultimate ep was str8 fire
a few probs with it, i guess... i hope that the old cases are a part of the next series
coz the cops seemed a bit unnecessarily shifty no, if there wasn't a high-up conspiracy, if it was just vagn, right? so brix telling lund not to pry must have meant something.
kind of funny but i can't keep track of 'what happened'
― patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Monday, 28 March 2011 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought it was just because Brix was worried that Lund might find something connected to City Hall and make his hopes of career progression suffer, a "trying not to bite the hand that feeds" affair.
I thought the ending suggested that there was more to it than had been revealed - Lund looked like she was still mulling things over in her mind as she walked outside in the final sequence, and Troels' phone call to Brix seemed a bit ambiguous to me - but Lund had finally realised her own "crime", if you will, was getting too wrapped up in the case.
― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Monday, 28 March 2011 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah my gf + i were trying to sort of recap it, and we couldnt remember a lot of the reasons for difft things... like what was the deal with the bloody room downstairs at the school? how did that tie in
― just sayin, Monday, 28 March 2011 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
thank goodness for iplayer to help recall the bits that the red wine has fugged up.way too many questions were flying around on sunday morning between my wife and i.still one of the best tv dramas in a long time.
― mark e, Monday, 28 March 2011 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah no question
― patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Monday, 28 March 2011 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just finished watching this. Some absolutely killer scenes (the hoodie moment! the bloodstain!) and some nice plot symmetries too but there are lots of niggly things that are still bugging me (he dumped the car in the water - how the hell did he get back to civilisation afterwards? I can't get apparent ages to fit the timeline either). Also a massive clue from earlier which they didn't make a big deal of or bother spelling out later, but in hindsight I should have picked up it (remember that plaster on that one guy's neck?)
― ka£ka (NickB), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thinking about that top and wondering about its age. Did matey boy find it at the storage place and put it on there? To conceal his identity or as an act of remembrance? Couldn't have been in his wardrobe all that time, right?
― ka£ka (NickB), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost was the bloody room not where Oliver and Lisa (ie the classmates) had sex, and she tried to jump up because the pal Jeppe was filming it on his phone and she cut her arm?
― o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
Few eps into the second series after finishing the first in record time.
I agree with folks that I never could quite piece together what exactly the series one killer *did*, there are some details [spoilery stuff removed, I'm sure you can pick some] that don't hang together at the end.
If you'll notice the second and third series are half the length of the first one, which is a smart decision. At a certain point in the first series they've considered so many main characters main suspects that it gets kinda absurd. They address that a bit in the show, but still. That and the fact that everyone lies to the police routinely and wait until they're shoved in a cell before they start explaining why they're not the guy, which creates drama but gets crazy after a while. The English title of the show really should be I Should Have Told You ...
But it's still awesome. I like how Meyer becomes the reasonable cop over time and Lund becomes the loose cannon. Lund's full-on OCD is cracking me up; it's funny how every popular detective in fiction is essentially Holmes, a socially dysfunctional, borderline autistic savant.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Reading up on this has led me to Engrenages too, so I'm stoked. It's nuts having access to entire seasons of shows these days, it's like crack
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
If you'll notice the second and third series are half the length of the first one, which is a smart decision. At a certain point in the first series they've considered so many main characters main suspects that it gets kinda absurd.
yeah. think in the end this show was as much about the characters as the mystery, so that although it was convoluted, it was still good. in a way, troels had very little to do with the case, given the amount of time we spent with him even after he was eliminated as a suspect. i did expect more from that storyline, some cover-up of real guilt, idk. will watch again in a year or two.
― patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I saw all of it. Season 2 was great as well. Such a great series. As I'm a knitter, I kept checking out her sweaters. lolol
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
not sure if i'll wait for s02 to come to UK television. presumably subtitled versions are out there somewhere. but first i will watch the US remake, if it's any good.
― patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Is it not possible for people to discuss the series without spoiling it for others?
― calstars, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
not really. rule of thumb: if the series has been broadcast, it's fair game. but sorry!
― patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
Maybe get a mod to put a warning in the thread title?
― ka£ka (NickB), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah ive asked
― patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh damn, yr quick.
Lund psyching herself up in the police car to do what she knew was stupid but necessary was fantastic. Spiral back on BBC4 this weekend with the astonishingly beautiful red headed defense attorney.
― kuyty on a mission (pandemic), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just finished Series 2, which in some ways is better (more concise) - the character of the Justice Minister is really endearing, I don't think you'd find someone like him as a gov't figure on a US drama.
Count me in for one of those sweaters!
Taking a break from being tubeglued to crime TV to get back to the human race - when I come back it's on to Spiral, glad people dig that. And redheads.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
NOT THE CRISPS - NEIIIIIIIN
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
Should have embeddinated that
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
I got really, really addicted to this. There are some excellent, excellent performances by the cast. Some of the subtle looks and facial expressions and inscrutable interiority you get out of the characters is fucking excellent. In fact pretty much everyone was excellent. Eventually got kind of fatigued by Troels Hartmann but mainly because, unlike The Wire, the political superstructure really had fuck all to do with it. Someone stole a car in episode one and that's still all it was in the end. The Jan Meyer buddycop was my favourite though. He was just unbelievable the way he is simultaneously this gun-toting hardass and a guy who says "I promised my wife I'd keep a job for more than three weeks."
I just finished it this morning and I realize when I think back to the initial suspects (that semi-retarded guy who tied up an old woman for absolutely no reason) how distended the plotting of the show had really been. It would probably work better if you watched only one episode a week... A few days later you've sort of forgotten and you're ready for someone else to be the main suspect. Watching it on DVD or downloaded kind of compresses everything too much (whereas the Wire seemed to work even better the more of it you watched in a sitting).
In a weird clumsy way I like how practically everyone was the main suspect at some point. I was even considering Pernille Birk Larsen at one point. Or some weird combination of Pernille Birk Larsen and Troels Hartmann (who misleadingly seemed to recognize each other in a hallway early on in the series... with weird music playing over the top). Kept wanting them to introduce satanists or something but oh well.
― fields of salmon, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 04:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Jens Holck thing was, I think, where the series started to tip over into something that didn't really have all its marbles... like almost in a Tommy Wiseau way, but obviously still outwardly very serious and well-done.
― fields of salmon, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 04:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
(not reading this thread - yet) I'm on ep. 15 & wondering what five more episodes are going to consist of. I mean, Jens H could not have been a red herring, right?.. I have to say that I did pick him for the deed pretty early on (always the quiet ones), but now I am generally dumbfounded & loving it completely.
I hope the US version takes a different path so that watching it won't simply be a retread.
― Grotjahn in the Moma (Pillbox), Sunday, 10 April 2011 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Who is the American actor who looks just like the actor that played Brix? I can't place him.
Jan Meyer was the best! That actor has the Dutch/Danish face going on that always reminds me of these:
― Dan I., Sunday, 10 April 2011 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
sweepy ambient music for emo scenes sounds quite a bit like the slowed-down Bieber Ros thing that made the blog rounds last year.
― Grotjahn in the Moma (Pillbox), Monday, 11 April 2011 09:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
not reading this thread but i just watched the first two episodes back to back and.... wow.
it's like a very, very, very good wallander except this time wallander is the irritating sidekick instead of the main character.
i loved how she pops a piece of gum into her mouth at home, like 10 minutes after she's woken up (how simple it seems to establish a character, when it's done like this).. and then when she's arrived at the "crime scene" (actually an elaborate gag played on her by her colleagues) she's still chewing that gum.
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 April 2011 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Who is the American actor who looks just like the actor that played Brix?
dunno about this, but I thought Brix resembled a roided-up Bez.
― Grotjahn in the Moma (Pillbox), Monday, 11 April 2011 10:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
i can't find downloads of season 1 (especially the early episodes) on the usual sites. surely some mistake?
― caek, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
^ check yr webmail
― mari$$a marchant (Pillbox), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
thanks, i was searching in a particularly stupid way and missing all that. all set now.
― caek, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
so are we talking about US Killing on this thread? cause it's awesome.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah it's really goodsomething is up with the aunt imo - the one who's always at the larsen's housealso the other detective, he's a former gang member isn't he? is he moonlighting as a private investigator on the side?
― daria g, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
A thread for AMC's The Killing, a remake of much-lauded Danish drama "Forbrydelsen"
― mari$$a marchant (Pillbox), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
thanks!by the way how can one see the original here in the US? i can't find it anywhere
― daria g, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
It is hard to see the AMC version objectively, having binged on Forbrydelsen over the past two weeks. So far, it seems to be following the same tack, which I'm hoping will change (for the sake of variety) - I don't see how it can't, being that the AMC version will be seven eps shorter than the OG.
I think the acting and characterization in The Killing is mostly excellent, but the atmospheric quality of Forbrydelsen was just so off-the-hook AWESOME, that I don't see how TK can transcend its redheaded-stepchild status w/o some major plot variations.
― mari$$a marchant (Pillbox), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
unless it is currently available through Netflix in the US, you will have to resort to piracy.
― mari$$a marchant (Pillbox), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
god this was great! watched all 20 episodes in record time. lot of 24 in it, but they handle the twists very, very well, i thought.
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gf and i called vagn early too--the thing that made me suspect him was the scene where theis is showing him the house and mentions that nanna is going to live on the top floor, and vagn has this kind of awkward shifty thing going on. but there are so many good twists that id basically eliminated him until the 3rd-to-last episode or something.
the whole thing kind kind of goes off the rails ca. 16th ep but youre so deep at that point it doesnt matter. meyers death really shook me.
i kind of wish they had taken the shady echelons-of-power stuff about town hall/rie's dad/the original police commander further; those threads got abandoned somewhere along the way with only vague mentions.
weird to me how similar a lot of the actors looked to established h'wood actors? or maybe i was just looking for it after a while
lund - girl from freaks and geeksrie - gillian andersonpernille - fraces mcdormand (btw i HATED this actress' weird tic of opening her eyes real wide and flicking them around)theis had a kind of brian dennehy thing going on.
anyway this is one of the best series ive seen a while! are the 2nd and 3rd seasons as good? (are there english subtitles for them yet?)
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 24 April 2011 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've just finished the first episode of Bron/Broen or just 'Bridge'. It's got that Killing gloomy feel. Anticipating watching the second one. I did love Borgen in the end. I liked how she transitioned from unlikely politician to, lets just say 'learning on the job'. There should be a collective scandinavian tv thread!
― mmmm, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
I really enjoyed the first two episodes of Bridge, partly because it uses the same central plot device as Bon Cop, Bad Cop.
It has the same kind of Northern European industrial noir feeling as The Killing but there's lots of comedy there as well.
― Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
anyone watching the third series? why does no-one finish their sentences on this show?
― tpp, Thursday, 13 December 2012 14:37 (5 months ago) Permalink
Yes. Because that's standard realism-tool. No one finishes their sentences in
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 13 December 2012 14:47 (5 months ago) Permalink
We don't have time for that now - we have to bring the entire department where the killer isn't
― Brakhage, Thursday, 13 December 2012 17:00 (5 months ago) Permalink
I watched it, but I still haven't seen the final two episodes. How far are they in UK?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:36 (5 months ago) Permalink
the last 2 (of series 3) are on this saturday
― koogs, Thursday, 13 December 2012 21:42 (5 months ago) Permalink
i still love lund but the plot has gotten tiresome esp. the political aspect
― tpp, Thursday, 13 December 2012 22:47 (5 months ago) Permalink
Yeah the problem w/this last series is the whole thing being so tied up with the PM's office. Additonally never quite believing the outcome of the kidnap would've determined the outcome of the elections, or that the opposition would use the kidnapping to score political points as that has a danger of backfiring.
Then you have the ending...again, would Lund step outside the law here? Other possible endings on a postcard please.
Go to admire the craft to keep you watching.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:08 (5 months ago) Permalink
On episode 12 season 1. It's gripping as hell, though the 'He did it! Oh wait he didn't' structure could wear thin soon.
Danes seem to like smoking indoors a lot don't they?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 23:00 (5 months ago) Permalink
Season 1 > Season 2 > Season 3. Still, this one was was good though. With hunky Borch showing his love and Mark making amends, with his newborn it was only going one way for Lund.....
― mmmm, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 00:19 (5 months ago) Permalink