To what degree will you support musicians who (openly, possibly or jokingly) include racist, sexist, homophobic, or bigoted messages in their music, or who privately hold such beliefs?

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I'd like to take this opportunity to lobby for the reinstatement of the metal board

Bone Drugs N.R. Money (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hey Phil D., you happen to live anywhere near NYC? you wanna meet up for a chat?

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

would you guys fucking kiss already

ffs

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

You imply that I'm racist (while using "retarded" as an insult), then you should pay.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

I blame John Cale for this

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

I blame Enoch Powell

VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

I blame the internet.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Plus learn the difference between the Tigers and the White Sox, you stupid shit.

― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:07 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

While "Disco Demolition" took place at Comiskey Park in Chicago, the White Sox were playing (or rather, forfeiting to) the Tigers that night.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Right, he implied they were the home team.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hey Phil D., you happen to live anywhere near NYC? you wanna meet up for a chat?

― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maher shalal smash paz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

The funny thing is, I live in Cleveland. IT'S LIKE HE KNEW SOMEHOW.

Anti-mist K-Lo (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

anybody who votes anything other than Option 1 is a disgusting savage imho

clusterfuck awaaaaaaaaay

― Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 21, 2011 9:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol whiney yessssss

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

L-R: Bill Magill, me

Anti-mist K-Lo (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

what time is it?

Bone Drugs N.R. Money (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey guys bill magill is NOT a racist. He doesn't like disco big deal. He doesn't like the music not because of who made it, he dismisses tons of music (inc metal bands) dont make mountains out of molehills jeez.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

again, I don't think anyone actually called him racist

maher shalal smash paz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

To what degree will you support musicians who (openly, possibly or jokingly) include racist, sexist, homophobic, or bigoted messages in their music, or who privately hold such beliefs?

It's never a good idea to fling words like retarded around but doing it in this thread with that title is just silly.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm more passive-aggressive about racial issues on the internet than you are!

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

whiney at least one poster was implying he was

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

Bill Magill is quite partial to a 'disco big deal' iirc

I only use this style of type when I choose it (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

No big deal, thanks AG.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

Bill this thread makes me miss football a LOT

VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's never a good idea to fling words like retarded around but doing it in this thread with that title is just silly.

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

qft, tbh

i have a hot bagel waiting for me in my bed so ill say this: (kkvgz), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

no worries bill, whilst i like chic and brass construction and bt express and i feel love is one of my favourite songs of all time, i generally don't like disco, but the idea that you dont like disco is because you are racist or homophobic or whatever is really silly. Yes I know some were/are like that but not everyone.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

itt lotsa people who can't read or follow an argument.

Anti-mist K-Lo (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Bill Magill spoke out against "Black" Metal the other day case closed imo

a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Disco Demolition Night: the "supermodel" who helped with that is also the lips in the opening credits of Rocky Horror Picture Show. I, for one, thought that was an essential piece of trivia to carry around.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't like black metal or disco (particularly) or hokum country music or opera so there.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

wow I always thought it was Tim Curry

a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, this thread was really interesting; can we get back on track?

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

still waiting on sick mouthy's judgment iirc

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

weigh in!

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dig Bill more than a lot of people we share a love of the Sabs but this:

"a) attacking disco, or other rhythm based music, for being brainless, tuneless, cynical or whatever has nothing to do with racism and cannot possibly by seen as racism unless said attack explicitely says that "I hate nigger music because I hate niggers" or something like that."

did you ever take a sociology class and learn how institutionalized racism works, because you sound like a 15 year old libertarian kid right now

― maher shalal smash paz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:10 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This is fucking jive crap. Who'se worse, the 15 year old libertarian or the college freshman dorm philosipher majoring in "sociology". Tough call.

― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Tuesday, March 22, 2011 2:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is how I ended up imputing Geir's Cap'n-Save-the-National-Front post to Bill, and I don't think that was an entirely unfair move on my part - Whiney attacked the Geir post, Bill attacked Whiney's response as "college freshman dorm philosopher' hoo-hah, which I gather he did because Whiney used the term "institutionalized racism," which is an actual thing-in-the-world, not a college conceit - I should own however that I have a huge bug up my ass about people dismissing valid concerns on the grounds that they're big deals to college kids - "college kids care about this & are often inelegant in the way they formulate their arguments" does not speak, in any way, to the content of an argument

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

sorry to have copied in Geir's racist language, should have edited better

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Disco Demolition Night: the "supermodel" who helped with that is also the lips in the opening credits of Rocky Horror Picture Show. I, for one, thought that was an essential piece of trivia to carry around.

I don't think this is true - those lips are Patricia Quinn's

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hey, what did I miss? Are we still talking about Graham Greene? Oh.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

ilxor; I've written it but as a blogpost; set to auto-publish in about 3 hours. It's quite long.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

But suffice to say, Kanye's a twat.

lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol sickmouthy, nice! will watch for that

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

All I can say about Geir is, in future please bear in mind don't see clear don't see far

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

xxxxxp right on underrated, and getting after you for not contributing to the "reasoned and thoughtful discussion" is laughable considering the "fuck you fuck" snipe-fest this thread quickly devolved into: you had a really good point, and I didn't mean to detract from that...

Bone Drugs N.R. Money (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I did not call Bill Magill racist, nor did I say that "not liking disco" is racist, NOR did I say that Bill said the thing that Geir said.

What I DID say was:

1. Categorically dismissing rhythm-based or dance music as being inartful and tuneless *can be* racist. (And, not so incidentally, homophobic.)
2. Eliding #1 above as "not liking disco" is some bullshit, and ppl should be called out on it.
3. Dismissing #1 above as "college philosipher [sic] jive" is ALSO some bullshit, and ppl should be called out on *that*, too.

Anti-mist K-Lo (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dig Bill more than a lot of people we share a love of the Sabs but this:

Before the private jets...

i have a hot bagel waiting for me in my bed so ill say this: (kkvgz), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

All I can say about Geir is, in future please bear in mind don't see clear don't see far

lol well done. I doff my cap to you sir

Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

xxp I was a bit eye-rolley about Bill's first post but i think the elision referred to in 2) was made by Whiney, who DID say that not liking disco made you a racist

Bone Drugs N.R. Money (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like inference as much as the next person but can we please keep in mind the context under which this argument started, which was a massive Geirbomb?

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 16:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

I know, I only wish I'd had the energy to do a Geirbot/Wasteland.jpg mashup

a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:00 (3 years ago) Permalink


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