A thread for The Killing, aka much-lauded Danish drama "Forbrydelsen" (with spoilers)

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o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Sunday, 20 March 2011 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this has been totally worth my time, and I'm only five episodes in. I know everybody has been talking about Lund but (although I'm only at episode four) the real stars of this to me are Hanna's parents.

Because I'm terrible with names in my own language, never mind in Danish TV shows, I've found myself giving characters names like Mayor, Mother, Angie Harmon Lookalike etc

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Monday, 21 March 2011 19:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

* I mean Nanna not Hanna, I did say I'm no good with names

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Monday, 21 March 2011 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

the real stars of this to me are Hanna's parents

Yeah, the story of the victim's family is what sets it apart. It stays with them throughout and the way their relationship changes is really well done.

Got some good theories on the killer btw, but I don't really want to spoilerbomb this thread.

ka£ka (NickB), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Haven't seen this yet but its funny how this kicked off just as Sky advertised like crazy how they hoovered up every HBO show.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost I am trying to get as many people as I know to catch up with me on this because I want to discuss it!

Also quite glad to discover that even with my basic Googling skills to try find a way to watch it online and read more of the hype, I've yet to have it spoilered for me at all.

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

loved the scene where they just lay into vaghn (sp), really horrible

for some reason he's been my prime suspect since early on: not sure how they insinuated it but they did

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

Finished watching the first series last night. Wow. The last episode is pretty much an hour of hands-over-the-face intense drama.

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Thursday, 24 March 2011 09:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

but introducing effectively new suspects in episode 16 is a bit of a cop-out, imo.

― koogs, Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:01 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

they didn't really: leon was in an early ep

i mean sure almost everyone is shifty in this so

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 09:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Finished watching the first series last night.

You swine!

Just got the last two to watch. Don't think it's Vagn, I know he's a bit odd but he seems to genuinely care about the family. Where are you up to mayne?

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

#18, the one shown on bbc4 last weekend

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

was irl shocked by what happened to a major character

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was bold, I thought that was someone who might feature in future series too. The one new character that has been introduced late that might turn out to be quite dodgy is Leon's brother. They also seem to be keeping Morten away from suspicion, which I'm finding a bit odd considering his closeness to Hartmann. Got dodgy eyes as well, it's always a sign.

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

"someone who might feature in future series too" -- exactly.

it's not clear what leon's brother does. but he is rich (?) and wears a suit while leon is a removal guy/cabbie. there's some story there, and i guess an explanation of how leon is mixed up in what seems to be a wider conspiracy -- brix (the police chief, that's his name right?) seems to have done something very bad this last ep. i mean, leon didn't pull the trigger did he?

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

I was trying to read the expression on the dude's face just before the bad thing and it wasn't really one of recognition imo. Think that the oh-look-leather-gloves bit was a very deliberate attempt to confuse us, but I'm not gonna fall for that.

My wife said something weird the other day: why did they have that thing about the new shoes in the first episode? And talking of expensive shoes, did we ever find out who bought the boots?

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

i thought meyer looked surprised above all

i guess holck bought the boots. maybe not, but that seems plausible enough.

but whose new shoes? i have forgotten!

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

We might have misremembered this but I think that the very first scene in the town hall was Morten telling Hartmann about his new shoes on their way to some meeting. Significant (what happened to his old ones?) or was it just a quirky way of introducing them?

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

> was irl shocked by what happened to a major character

i thought they fumbled this with that terrible cliche. (trying not to give too much away here)

hadn't spotted leon in earlier episode.

vagn and the dad have been involved with nastiness before, beating people up. he referred back to it when they were about to give the teacher a thrashing in the van. the two of them also seem to owe the boyfriend's dad a favour.

thought them uncovering leon's deserted flat, complete with death gallery, was done too fast - they'd've got 2 whole episodes out of that earlier on.

koogs, Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

the bigger cliche would have been him surviving (like kima in 'the wire')!

yeah vagn and pops are shady and the thing in the basement is well suspect -- though i sort of feel those mean cops planted it

otm on the boyfriend's dad -- he has to come into it somehow

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Boyfriend's dad seems more of an organised crime sort of guy than a rapey psycho, and that's how he ties in with Dad and Vagn and their shady past imo. I mean, this is a serial killer at work isn't it? Not sure why they haven't investigated more old cases though.

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is a serial killer at work isn't it?

Actually scratch that, I'm daftly assuming that both murders were done by the same guy, but there are inconsistencies in the way they were disposed of, so maybe it was two different killers? But they were in the same location, so it looks like at least the same person dumped both bodies (maybe they were being blackmailed, seems like some money has been changing hands between that one guy and his bro). But then that whole necklace thing... gah!

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

ok i don't actually think this but: vagn and leon had a sideline in disposing of bodies. maybe sometimes for organized crimey dude. sometimes for highly-placed murderers. hey it could happen.

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Looking forward to check this out, but is it better than Spiral? That was the last euro-thriller to get all the critical raves, and it turned out to be, er, rubbish.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp lol @ that, but I don't want it to be Vagn cos he's turned into quite a sweet character. The water pistol thing, his real anguish at seeing the mum and dad fall apart, the way he only wanted dad to beat a little bit of shit out of the teacher.

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't know what Spiral is!

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

this has become a major saturday night pleasure.
current routine : eat with kids. drink red wine. watch crappy saturday night gumph. kids go to bed. watch this + more red wine.
subsequently, the catch up prior to the start of each episode is vital.
best thing on non-sky/cable tv in ages.
there was a time i thought they were referencing twin peaks with bloke-cop always eating, and there was even a scene with a lady who i thought was going to become similar to the log lady, making me for a week or two theorise it was going to go all surreal.
thankfully, it hasn't, and has kept me and my better half guessing/reguessing for last 2 months.
brilliant.

mark e, Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

there was a time i thought they were referencing twin peaks

Absolutely, don't forget the video tapes of the dead girl.

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah the pics from the american remake look super twin peaks

just sayin, Thursday, 24 March 2011 11:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Towards the end of something like this, I start thinking of characters who appeared early, then disappeared from the radar but could be mixed up in it somehow. Rie's dad, for example, and the first police chief who left possibly Knowing Something and was replaced by dodgy Brix. Boyfriend's Dad also a good call, hadn't thought of him.

Madchen, Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Rie's dad, for example

oh! that is a good point. yes. i think rie stayed true but obviously has something else in play.

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Rie's dad is pulling strings somewhere for sure.

Thing that puts me off the boyfriend's dad is maybe a bit ridic, but wouldn't the producers avoid having a muslim as the villain of a major series like this considering the cartoon controversy in Denmark a year or so before this was made?

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not that anyone would protest against it or anything, but they might just be sensitive towards portraying muslims as the bad guys.

ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

i definitely don't think he's the major villain -- but they have been sensitive to that, and to denmark's racial politics, they had a muslim guy wrongly accused, and hartmann vindicated by backing him

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

So, were we happy with how this ended?

Keeping it spoiler-free, but even though there were still loose ends I thought the quality of the drama, especially the scenes in the basement and the woods, more than made up for it.

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Sunday, 27 March 2011 11:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

is it me or are the doors to the offices in the police station terrible looking? like some terrible marbling effect.

koogs, Monday, 28 March 2011 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

thought the penultimate ep was str8 fire

a few probs with it, i guess... i hope that the old cases are a part of the next series

coz the cops seemed a bit unnecessarily shifty no, if there wasn't a high-up conspiracy, if it was just vagn, right? so brix telling lund not to pry must have meant something.

kind of funny but i can't keep track of 'what happened'

patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Monday, 28 March 2011 13:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was just because Brix was worried that Lund might find something connected to City Hall and make his hopes of career progression suffer, a "trying not to bite the hand that feeds" affair.

I thought the ending suggested that there was more to it than had been revealed - Lund looked like she was still mulling things over in her mind as she walked outside in the final sequence, and Troels' phone call to Brix seemed a bit ambiguous to me - but Lund had finally realised her own "crime", if you will, was getting too wrapped up in the case.

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Monday, 28 March 2011 13:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah my gf + i were trying to sort of recap it, and we couldnt remember a lot of the reasons for difft things... like what was the deal with the bloody room downstairs at the school? how did that tie in

just sayin, Monday, 28 March 2011 13:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

thank goodness for iplayer to help recall the bits that the red wine has fugged up.
way too many questions were flying around on sunday morning between my wife and i.
still one of the best tv dramas in a long time.

mark e, Monday, 28 March 2011 16:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah no question

patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Monday, 28 March 2011 16:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Just finished watching this. Some absolutely killer scenes (the hoodie moment! the bloodstain!) and some nice plot symmetries too but there are lots of niggly things that are still bugging me (he dumped the car in the water - how the hell did he get back to civilisation afterwards? I can't get apparent ages to fit the timeline either). Also a massive clue from earlier which they didn't make a big deal of or bother spelling out later, but in hindsight I should have picked up it (remember that plaster on that one guy's neck?)

ka£ka (NickB), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thinking about that top and wondering about its age. Did matey boy find it at the storage place and put it on there? To conceal his identity or as an act of remembrance? Couldn't have been in his wardrobe all that time, right?

ka£ka (NickB), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost was the bloody room not where Oliver and Lisa (ie the classmates) had sex, and she tried to jump up because the pal Jeppe was filming it on his phone and she cut her arm?

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Few eps into the second series after finishing the first in record time.

I agree with folks that I never could quite piece together what exactly the series one killer *did*, there are some details [spoilery stuff removed, I'm sure you can pick some] that don't hang together at the end.

If you'll notice the second and third series are half the length of the first one, which is a smart decision. At a certain point in the first series they've considered so many main characters main suspects that it gets kinda absurd. They address that a bit in the show, but still. That and the fact that everyone lies to the police routinely and wait until they're shoved in a cell before they start explaining why they're not the guy, which creates drama but gets crazy after a while. The English title of the show really should be I Should Have Told You ...

But it's still awesome. I like how Meyer becomes the reasonable cop over time and Lund becomes the loose cannon. Lund's full-on OCD is cracking me up; it's funny how every popular detective in fiction is essentially Holmes, a socially dysfunctional, borderline autistic savant.

Brakhage, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 16:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Reading up on this has led me to Engrenages too, so I'm stoked. It's nuts having access to entire seasons of shows these days, it's like crack

Brakhage, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 16:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

If you'll notice the second and third series are half the length of the first one, which is a smart decision. At a certain point in the first series they've considered so many main characters main suspects that it gets kinda absurd.

yeah. think in the end this show was as much about the characters as the mystery, so that although it was convoluted, it was still good. in a way, troels had very little to do with the case, given the amount of time we spent with him even after he was eliminated as a suspect. i did expect more from that storyline, some cover-up of real guilt, idk. will watch again in a year or two.

patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I saw all of it. Season 2 was great as well. Such a great series. As I'm a knitter, I kept checking out her sweaters. lolol

Nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

not sure if i'll wait for s02 to come to UK television. presumably subtitled versions are out there somewhere. but first i will watch the US remake, if it's any good.

patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is it not possible for people to discuss the series without spoiling it for others?

calstars, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

not really. rule of thumb: if the series has been broadcast, it's fair game. but sorry!

patrice wil$on is my favorite rapper (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

The way I recall he let Raben's wife go w/ease then displayed the explosives allowing both Lund and Srange enough time to run off.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 January 2012 12:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Any reports on Borgen? I might start watching this on iPlayer

mmmm, Saturday, 14 January 2012 17:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

V much liked episode 1, family dynamic excellently done. Not sure I have the attention for something politics based though. Both Lund's partners from Killing 1 & 2 are in this btw.

pandemic, Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, (Killing Spoiler!) I kept expecting Strange actor to go on a murder spree. Not sure the politics will be enough for me either. I do really like some of the characters though. The spin doctor guy looks to be a good baddie.

mmmm, Sunday, 15 January 2012 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

they've done ok, especially episode 4 where they moved beyond the coalition-building back and forth. i liked the greenland montage, for instance.

koogs, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

I've just finished the first episode of Bron/Broen or just 'Bridge'. It's got that Killing gloomy feel. Anticipating watching the second one. I did love Borgen in the end. I liked how she transitioned from unlikely politician to, lets just say 'learning on the job'. There should be a collective scandinavian tv thread!

mmmm, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I really enjoyed the first two episodes of Bridge, partly because it uses the same central plot device as Bon Cop, Bad Cop.

It has the same kind of Northern European industrial noir feeling as The Killing but there's lots of comedy there as well.

Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

anyone watching the third series? why does no-one finish their sentences on this show?

tpp, Thursday, 13 December 2012 14:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yes. Because that's standard realism-tool. No one finishes their sentences in

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 13 December 2012 14:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

We don't have time for that now - we have to bring the entire department where the killer isn't

Brakhage, Thursday, 13 December 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

I watched it, but I still haven't seen the final two episodes. How far are they in UK?

Frederik B, Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

the last 2 (of series 3) are on this saturday

koogs, Thursday, 13 December 2012 21:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

i still love lund but the plot has gotten tiresome esp. the political aspect

tpp, Thursday, 13 December 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah the problem w/this last series is the whole thing being so tied up with the PM's office. Additonally never quite believing the outcome of the kidnap would've determined the outcome of the elections, or that the opposition would use the kidnapping to score political points as that has a danger of backfiring.

Then you have the ending...again, would Lund step outside the law here? Other possible endings on a postcard please.

Go to admire the craft to keep you watching.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

On episode 12 season 1. It's gripping as hell, though the 'He did it! Oh wait he didn't' structure could wear thin soon.

Danes seem to like smoking indoors a lot don't they?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Season 1 > Season 2 > Season 3. Still, this one was was good though. With hunky Borch showing his love and Mark making amends, with his newborn it was only going one way for Lund.....

mmmm, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 00:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Loving the 1st season. Is it bad I watched 14 episodes in a day. I tried to stop, but I just had to know what happened next.

Only passing out from tiredness stopped me. I intend to finish the last 6 tonight. I have seasons 2 & 3 ready, but I will leave it at least a week before starting them.

I haven't read the thread as I don't want to know, but I think I have an idea who I want it to be/who it is...

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 13:04 (10 months ago) Permalink

it's so good. just finished the second series myself. the first series was excellent, but i think i enjoyed the second even more. making it 10 episodes instead of 20 was the right choice, it was a lot tighter with fewer loose ends/red herrings. i'm going to take some time before watching the third series.

currently watching the sort-of knockoff series broen/bron. the plot and characters are a bit more csi and less bleakly realistic, but it's good fun and having the action switch between malmø and copenhagen is a genius move.

chilli, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:00 (10 months ago) Permalink

i prefered Broen / Bron (The Bridge) purely because of the red herring thing in the killing.

The french thing, Spiral, also well worth a watch (4 series now)

koogs, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

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On to episode 20 now. I'll have to dig out Broen / Bron & Spiral.

Will report back in 59 minutes.

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

boo, my little drawing didn't work.

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

Excellent.

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

meyer's bananas

j., Sunday, 5 January 2014 07:14 (3 months ago) Permalink

The Bridge is back on BBC 4! First two episodes were really good.

Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Sunday, 5 January 2014 07:38 (3 months ago) Permalink

lol

— Did you forget to log off?

— No way! … I don't know

j., Monday, 6 January 2014 07:58 (3 months ago) Permalink

The Bridge is good. Martin's charachter seems to have a more sympathetic on Saga's Aspergers like traits in this series.

mmmm, Monday, 6 January 2014 09:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

—Are you walking out on your mother's speech?
—Yes, that's exactly what she's doing.

j., Wednesday, 8 January 2014 04:47 (3 months ago) Permalink

i was enjoying how no one on danish tv is familiar to me, and then i start watching 'borgen' and there's lund's old partner meyer in a new role, doh

j., Sunday, 12 January 2014 02:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

oh man 'borgen' is so watchable, way more compelling than 'forbrydelsen'

it's like if they took all the sorkin shit out of west wing and just left you with the drama of governing

j., Sunday, 12 January 2014 16:41 (3 months ago) Permalink

also half of it is about journalists so it is also better than the newsroom

j., Sunday, 12 January 2014 16:49 (3 months ago) Permalink

there's lund's old partner meyer in a new role, doh

VERY different character as well

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 January 2014 16:49 (3 months ago) Permalink

find Borgen extremely over-rated. The Greenland episode, oozing with Scandi goody-goodyness really threw me off the whole series.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 12 January 2014 19:24 (3 months ago) Permalink

i like how she started out all full of life and then became dead inside

j., Monday, 13 January 2014 05:52 (3 months ago) Permalink

the circle is drawn a little too closely, i think. like after their green party muslim friend quits government, there he is again 1-2 episodes later in their PEACE IN AFRICA episode to act as translator between the african presidents. they didn't have any professional translators in for that shit??

even ol bengt had basically disappeared before nyborg had to fire him. makes it seem like she runs the country w/ basically one pr flack and her secretary and civil servant. then again, it only has a population of 5 million.

j., Thursday, 16 January 2014 07:19 (3 months ago) Permalink

So caught up with season 2 of 'The Bridge', well up to episode 8 anyway.
Saga Noren is such a BOSS!

pandemic, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 15:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

Oh man, what an ending!

pandemic, Monday, 3 February 2014 14:30 (2 months ago) Permalink


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