Joy Division vs. New Order

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...now I'm gonna go watch Barney in short shorts some more!

The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

lol. Short shorts and white high tops.

redmond, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

New Order

negotiable, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

I have tried with Joy Div, but apart from the singles and a few ISOLATIoNNN!! ISolAtionnnn! ahem.. isolated tracks, I can't muster up the love.

NO, though.. easy.

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Joy Division didn't last long enough to be usefully compared with New Order - if that makes any sense

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

If you discount their earliest days, Joy Division made surprisingly few missteps. Their oeuvre is small but perfect. Of their fifty odd songs, there are probably only two or three I don't much like. New Order are a bit more hit and miss, some of their stuff has dated more, some of Bernard's doggerel comes close to ruining good songs, some of their remixes aren't too good, I don't especially care for their last couple of albums. And I can't imagine Ian Curtis doing World In Motion.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

or "Anarchy in the UK" still, they were not kidding about their version of "Louie Louie" right?

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

IC died young. He may have turned into an embarrasing old fart like the rest of us too.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 13:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine Ian Curtis doing World In Motion.

Talk about missed opportunities!

Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

I suspect IC would have been a fun-hating negative influence on NO's continued development. Part of what makes NO great is their total willingness to make utter fools of themselves - World In Motion, playing on the Babewatch set - because their willingness to make fools of themselves results in genius just as often as it does in foolishness.

The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

Bull props to Barney for not becoming a new "ian" even though there were many impersonators, and not writing overached poetry in response to Ian's great writing.

I know that's damning with faint praise to say the least, but they would have come unstuck trying to continue 'with the good work'...

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

bull props? Ahem, full props, obv.

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

Is that a rugby union term or sumptin'?

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm still boggling at the idea of Ian Curtis grumping his way through "World In Motion".

Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha me too

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

eeeeeeeeeng-errrrrrrrrrrr-land

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Maybe he could have done the rap bit.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

Would Ian Curtis ever perform in boxer shorts, tall white socks and loafers?

i doubt it.

NEW ORDER!

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 19:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

I love Barney's scratched on the back of a napkin between cups of tea lyrics.

leavethecapital, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Which is funny because 'scratched on the back of a napkin between cups of tea' is a lyric from an unreleased song during the Brotherhood sessions.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

(The song was of course called "A Corner.")

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

I love Barney's scratched on the back of a napkin between cups of tea lyrics.

There's Pernod in that tea, I imagine.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 15 December 2008 00:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 00:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

i may have voted for the same group twice

Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 00:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well, I'm satisfied with those results.

Ironic Erection - LOLFAP LOLFAP LOLFAP (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 11:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

We won!

Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 11:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Very satisfactory. JD are awesome but NO are the awesomest. Am listening to Perfect Kiss now.

Holden McGroin (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 12:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

This is the way things must be.

Millsner, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 01:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

fail!

what U cry 4 (jim), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 02:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

IN THE END YOU WILL SUBMIT IT'S GOT TO HURT YOU A LITTLE BIT
I need help. Please, I need help.

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With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fuck it all

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

"I've lived my life on alcohol/I've lived my life on pills/it's called love/and it's the only thing worth living for"

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just shove your Blue Monday up your ass, give up. Forget it.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

Bizarre Love Triangle fuckers can come out of the closet now and DIE, just DIE.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Man, I didn't see this thread until now. ;_;

The answer is Joy Division, btw.

Someone Still Loves You Evan and Jaron (Tape Store), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thank you Tape Store!!! :)

Oh just fuck it all

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

Grimly, help. Where is grimly when I need him?

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Anyway we can agree to disagree on Joy Division. Everything will be fine. Don't worry. We can agree to disagree.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

and it helps your life
like a broken knife

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ian would have been so happy to see what the lads had done with synthesizers.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

see, i always thought it said 'cuts you life, like a broken knife'

great song though and i believe that's the footage from Play At Home.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 05:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

bah, 'cuts your life' obv.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 05:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah it fucking cuts your goddamn life like a broken knife
anyone who has the godadmn 12"

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

yes, flip for maximum satisfaction. it does appear by your frequent posting you are Lonesome Tonight.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 05:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Brother loves dub, did you not see that thing in the video clip where they showed the old Factory club that Saville & Wilson were pictured outside?

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

LONESOME TONIGHT!!!!!!!
OH MY GUCKING FOD!

Let me get my iPod.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Grimly please help. Grimly has to come back when the Brits get online, Grimly. Please make some sense out of all this. I've got Brian Eno in my James back pocket and shit.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Grimly please help.

I heard early Joy Division tonight earlier. Warswaw and everything. I'm scarred.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

my eyes are made of stone
how many times before
did you leave my soul alone

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

crazy. hopefully we'll see something neat come from those tapes provided Hooky and Barney can talk to each other long enough to get it done

Edward Bax, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hooky found the original master for "Unknown Pleasures" in much the same way, in the basement of the Hacienda. According to his book, it was acting as grounding for the dance floor.

Mark G, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Onion weighs in

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully the masters are in pretty good shape. I seem to remember Robert Smith saying a few years back that the masters to 'Seventeen Seconds' got severely damaged.

Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

this wasn't true, btw, it was clarified elsewhere that this situation is the one hook outlined as happeneing several years ago. people misinterpreted oliver's tweet.

akm, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Alan Mcgee is flogging off all his old shit and it contains many, many items of interest to the New Order / Joy Division obsessive such as myself (but please don't bid on item 91 because I want that for sentimentral reasons - k thanx)

New Order stuff

Joy Division stuff

Ned Trifle X, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 11:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

aww i was hoping one of the t-shirts was the one with ian with head in hands & lots of small orange squares at the bottom - they were everywhere c. 1983-5 and i'd get all sentimental for one of those (+ that photocopied book collecting music press clippings & badly transcribed lyrics!)

zappi, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which one is item 91? You can't tell until after you've clicked on one.

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Prev Lot | Next Lot" on right hand side once you've clicked on one

zappi, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's a poster for a gig in 1988 with the Mondays and ACR. I went with the woman who is now Mrs. Trifle (awwww...).

Ned Trifle X, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink


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