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flopson otm about dubstep!

i had genuinely assumed mac miller was a comedian. rather than just "as morally reprehensible as a comedian"

lex pretend, Sunday, 13 March 2011 09:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

saying you like "dubstep" is like saying you like "pop" or "rock" or "indie"

frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 10:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i guess it is the 2k11 equivalent of using "techno" to mean "all electronic dance music"

bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 11:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

its definitely an internet myopia thing on your part HOOS. Like the circles we travel (Pitchfork, Quitus, Dusted, Brooklyn Vegan, blogs, ILX) treat dubstep as this post-Burial thing of murky sounds and moody textures (King Midas Sound, 2562, James Blake, Mount Kimbie, Shakleton, Zomby). Meanwhile--mostly thanks to Caspa & Rusko--there's been a whole other scene taking over bro-dudes who are into things like Coachella and Deadmu5 (Skrillex, Bassnectar, Trillbass, Boregore).

Problem is, rock critics only cover the former, and I think I like the brostep latter BETTER.

Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 14:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

its def like when you say "indie rock" you mean Arcade Fire and Sonic Youth, but to other people it means Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon (ie, shit that gets half the writeups of the shit we like but sells enormo numbers)

Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 14:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

its def like when you say "indie rock" you mean Arcade Fire and Sonic Youth, but to other people it means Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon (ie, shit that gets half the writeups of the shit we like but sells enormo numbers)

this is otm but in order to retain my cheery disposition I have to pretend he is notm

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

I would def lump Arcade Fire in with Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon and not with Sonic Youth.

frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

challops4u

frogbs (flopson) (crüt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

wow, I must be really out of touch -- I'd have assumed quote-unquote "fratty" electronic tastes would run more toward that big grinding straightahead electroish stuff like Deadmau5 or Skrillex

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Whiney mentioned both of them a few posts back!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

oops sorry Whiney, you just said that! but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????" I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????"

They do now. In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp bros listened to Prodigy and Fatboy Slim too..

Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, googling "skrillex dubstep" really firmly answered that question for me. meanwhile, the 8 billion publicity emails I've gotten about him all just say "electro."

xpost -- prodigy seems exactly right!

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Crystal Method too. All that 'mainstream' big beat stuff, bros listened to. I remember someone 10 years ago - could've been on ilm - making fun of bros for saying they liked electronica "because they listened to Sasha & Digweed."

Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Justice surely is another bridge at work here.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

where's your head at

dell (del), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

btw, I imagine it's super-rare that I type the exact same sentence as Whiney about something, but:

what hath asher roth wrought

^ this is, verbatim, the sentence I used when I heard Tom Hanks's son rapping about Northwestern ("White and Purple") and shouting out dorms

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

i followed rapping hanks son on twitter for a min, he wasnt even funny :/

ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm the rappin hanks and i'm here to say

dell (del), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:42 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is like the tiniest of small victories, but feels good nonetheless :)

Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the Big Beat era version of brostep was like def Crystal Method. Except stuff like Prodigy/Fatboy Slim def had both Spin/bro crossover. I don't think ANY dubstep/"dubstep" artist is successfully reaching both audiences right now!

Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah the "The Two Dubsteps" thing is def a separate matter, I was just responding to the "now bros think it's ok to listen to electronic music" thing.

The Two Dubsteps reminds me of The Two Emos.. seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno

Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

"The Two Dubsteps"

ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal

can we please not mention one of the secretly best albums of the '00s in connection w/ this mass popularization of electro/dubstep ;_;

thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone

Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno

― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, but mopeyemo had like a solid 10 years of indie-level post-Rites Of Spring star tattoo messenger bag ish before the other thing sort of grew as a logical mainstream Alt-Press extension of it. The two dubsteps both sort of came to their peaks of attention at the same time!

Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

which is why it's confusing. It's not like the 10 year gap between Black Flag and Youth Of Today on some "don't call this hardcore, this is not what I call hardcore" hairsplitting. Its two distinct sounds with two distinct audiences, rising at the same time, both with the same name and often completely unaware of the others' existence!

Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone

one of the secretly best albums of the '00s

i.e. the one everyone writes off as way inferior to Homework (zzzzz) and Discovery

thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

When local clubs around here started putting on dubstep nights is when I first realized "Okay they can't ALL be sitting around listening to Kode9."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean, this disparity might say a lot more about the sheltered world that WE (as music nerds/hipsters/indie-type/et al) live in, than the way fratbros react to music. I mean, I had like 900 posts in the last three years like "No one listens to dubstep" when I really meant "No one listens to the type of lol dubstep we talk about, because I'm mostly unaware of this bigger trend also occuring"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

deej would you mind if we changed the thread title to "frat rap (also brostep and mainstream-indie discussion too)"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's obvious Weezy is feeling Wang on this, (lpz), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

learning abt "brostep" may force me to redo hipness rankings for some of my casual acquaintances

bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

because there are definitely ppl i have seen make comments about "dubstep" on facebook or w/e and i just assumed they were talking about cool artistically-credible underground music

bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

and even when it seemed out-of-character i just sorta went "well good for burial! never thought american audiences would be so into this sound!"

bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

basically i have been living a lie
a dream from which i am just now waking up

bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

turns out those losers were just having a good time

Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

a lil late on the jam band vibes but its scene i find p fascinating - gbx generally v otm on the topic is widely off here:

(not to prompt a dead v. ICP popularity contest---just that ICP has, simply by existing ~when~ they exist, pushed more units and sold more tickets (maybe) than the Dead. )

― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the dead were the highest grossing touring act in the world for years, icp play areans, its not even close - and then THIS:

our v own aerosmith has played on TV (great work btw), but widespread panic has sold out red rocks 35 times (according to wiki) and i'd hazard one of those gigs is more lucrative than the other, both in the short- and long-term

― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude i think youre forgetting

i mean

ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Can ILM's board description be changed to "music and how to hate on it" please?

Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

i guess i wonder who first began marketing this music to them as "dubstep"

like, the other meaning was pretty well-established before brostep appeared, no?

bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

it reflects a very strange position in the world is all. like learning that someone reads "legal thrillers" that are actually magazines full of stories about dumb criminals.

bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

or an offshoot from the "original" dubstep evolved into something other people wanted to listen/dance/party to, who knows...

Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

the dead were the highest grossing touring act in the world for years, icp play areans, its not even close

mea culpa

ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp no it sucks

not that i have anything invested in "the 'original' dubstep" — i just didn't realize the extent to which the term had been genericized. like i understand that "rave" = any kind of lowest-common denominator thumping electronic tedium, but i didn't realize the same thing had happened to what i still think of as a fairly narrow 'boutique' genre term. (better analogy than the 'legal thriller' one would be learning that millions of ppl think of "Hey Soul Sister" as 'freak-folk')

bernard snowy, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Homework (zzzzz)

― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:21 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark

you're dead to me

history mayne, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

so ive just listened to some of this bro step and its connection to the murky ilxorian dubstep is p clear - its like someone just applied a corny populist party filter to it - on a side note its kinda hilarious that this should happen to dubstep in that it seems to be music that takes itself seriously

ice cr?m, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp yeah hundreds of people dancing is "tedium" and sitting at home learning how to better disapprove of your friends' musical tastes doesn't suck. got it.

Kerm, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

i knew a dude that went to this -- never heard of any of these "dubstep" artists

J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

itt americans talk about dubstep :(

lex pretend, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:20 (3 years ago) Permalink


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