frat rap

as an aside: who actually ~makes more money~ from music (not side ventures): kanye or the roots? like, seriously---i have seen the roots exactly twice and once was in 2002 (college show at sold out field house---so, thousands) and the other was at the x-games lol in 2005 which was broadcast live on espn

obv i'm guessing kanye makes more money (economies of scale), and more people have heard of him, but i guess my real question is: how much money can you make ~per fan~ by touring v. album sales? the frat-circuit (which extends waaaay beyond frats btw) is insanely lucrative, i'd think. college events boards and frat houses pay more than shitty dives, and if there's enough booze andno one's actively bored, then every show nets like 100% name-recognition

NB this may only apply to "small liberal-arts colleges that are relatively isolated."

wow I have never heard of OAR

also those bands that aero mentions & that we're talking about all go out and do festivals all summer & festivals none of us have ever heard of -- pretty much anywhere in the US where there is a large field or campground, somebody will organize a jam band festival, TONS of ppl will show up to get stoned, and tons of jam bands will play there -- and this happens every summer, all summer

OAR/Widespread/DMB too imo et al are all part of what I consider the post-Dead extension - they came into existence when the Dead were still touring & a generation of mobile, connected college kids were starting to get into Dead shows but then Jerry died in, what, '95? and all these bands that were establishing a foothold sort of rushed to fill the space left by following the Dead all summer, and they had enough chops & affinity for the audience that they really managed to secure a spot

this is my half-assed ill-thought-through but long-held theory anyway

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:33 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, that seems about right.

― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:35 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no that is pretty much true -- those bands are much more about smoking weed and nostalgia for things you never experienced (woodstock) than it is about frats or w/e

― J0rdan S., Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:36 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

nah

yr all missing the point i think

xp wait maybe not: jordan--my point was that any 'fratty' band (jam or rap or w/e) can do that.

wait til ou find out what the name stands for xxp

kanye probably makes a good deal more per engagement right now, but because he's trading on celebrity, his arc is defined. bands like Widespread Panic can work for thirty years if they want and consistently make millions of dollars every year; often these bands own their own buses, have full gear sponsorships, etc. people who're into Kanye are into the narrative of when he got good & does he keep getting better or when does he "start to suck," etc -- this narrative doesn't appeal to fans of the bands we're talking about; these bands consist largely of "players" (jazz dudes use this term just meaning "guys who can really play") who can hit a groove & hold it and that's not really something you lose if you're always out there, really you just keep getting better as long as your health holds. when you're a pop star your days are numbered. people who go see Ratdog in 2011 first saw Weir sing "Truckin'" in 1978.

like, they're on the 45th edition of this one http://www.campzoe.com/schwagstock45.html

gbx there is a lot of truth to what you're saying

the fact that the majority of their acronym consists of words that you don't put in acronyms should have been reason enough for your school to boycott this band. they should just be R.

xp to dayo

also what do they sound like? I don't want to youtube it

bonnaroo is obv a huge festival & they get tons of huge acts now but they still bill the string cheese incident on the same line as lil wayne

that is real talk, aero

but i still think that the main thing as far as the jam-band/college lol issue is concerned w/r/t to 'frat rap' is that the dead extension kinda carved out a bunch of trade routes that lead to weird underground popularity that can outstrip, in money and devotion, the reach of 'main-stream' artists.

i mean ICP is the apotheosis of this shit---i'm guessin they are ACTUALLY more popular than the dead ever was

many xps lol saturday

(not to prompt a dead v. ICP popularity contest---just that ICP has, simply by existing ~when~ they exist, pushed more units and sold more tickets (maybe) than the Dead. )

OMG this shit is awful, just now hearing some of the youtubes posted. also- is that article whiney posted for real???

The group's third member is D.J. Kid Swift, a highly ranked professional disk jockey. "The d.j.of a rap album," Shecter explained, "is the guy who manipulates the record on the turntable to produce a scratching sound."

"They will probably be as big or even bigger than The Beastie Boys because they have total crossover appeal," Ratner said of the group.

"I've been interested in the music since rap came out, when I was around eleven years old," Shecter said in his Cabot House room, which is decorated with posters of rap groups Erik B. & Rakim.

like, this kid is explaining what a DJ is to harvard students?? eric b. & rakim referred to as "groups" plural? and bigger than the beastie boys/???? like.. fuck i dont even know what to say, this is so stupid

also- is "O.A.R." a play on the term "A.O.R."? never heard them btw but am v aware of their existence in the dave matthews fanbase world

O.A.R. (short for Of a Revolution) is an American rock band

looooool wtf

also what do they sound like? I don't want to youtube it

I think they have a trumpet player?

what ethnicity is he

he may have dreads

so he's white?

*nods*

*lols*

is that article whiney posted for real???

Not only is it real, I think everyone on this thread missed a certain something a few paragraphs in:

Brett Ratner, a sophomore at New YorkUniversity, is the group's manager and executiveproducer. "I heard a demo of the group, I thoughtthey were great and I thought the Harvard imagewas great," he said. "So I got $10,000, finishedthe record, and got a five-record deal with Sire."

Yes, THAT Brett Ratner.

yep. article is from 1988, not everyone knew what a DJ was, ilxor

also like frat audiences are responsible for like 95% of the dubstep bought in america, mostly by people youve never heard of, with like the other 5% being the dubstep pitchfork writes about and we post about

yeah, i've been holding onto this theory that dubstep is the new jam music

this seems like a claim that you'd want to support with figures or links to sales stuff or something, even with the qualifier "like" in front of the "95%"

dude, when ppl on 4chan have 400 post threads about dubstep, they're not talking about "King Midas Sound" and shit

I don't think more made up statistics is what aero was asking for

Thanks to this type of thread I've developed a morbid fascination with these types of bands. I actually like Widespread Panic a bit, but I was already familiar w/ them since I have some frat bros in the extended family. never listened to OAR tho. As someone whos aspires to be involved in the performing side of music someday, should I be worried about lettting this stuff into my head? I'd hate to start busting out the DMB's "Warehouse" riff by accident.

As for dubstep being the new jam music, thats OTM. I started going to EDM parties in Portland in 2007, when it was the last tail end of jaded techno scenesters (glory days: 1999), a smattering of E'd up baby gangsters, and a young hardcore raver group in attendance. Then dubstep hit, and I see football jocks from high school at all the big raves now. I knly know this b/c I see it on facebook, not from attending

Fascinating info-graphic of Widespread Panic's career of touring, which starts around the time the Dead release "Touch of Grey" solidifying the jam band thing among Gen Xers in Southern college towns. Roachclips and golf clubs.

http://www.thebarnpresents.com/wp-content/uploads/wsp25.jpg

full sized
http://www.thebarnpresents.com/wp-content/uploads/wsp25.jpg

my theory is based purely on personal anecdotes etc -- just feel like lots of stoners i come across are listening more to beat based music nowadays, and that leans a lot towards dubstep since it's not dance oriented

if those guys ever listen to some black metal high it's gonna totally broaden their horizons

it took me way too long to figure out what those mysterious boxes and arrows on that chart were

O.A.R. is well known for its live performances because the band often creates variations to songs at each concert, making it rare to hear a song played the exact same way twice. The band also incorporates jam elements in their concerts, resulting in many of their live songs running anywhere between 5 and 18 minutes each. O.A.R.'s unique concert performances have led many people to believe they are one of the top live bands today.

At their live shows, O.A.R. has been known to cover a variety of songs by artists such as Bob Dylan, U2, the Grateful Dead, Billy Joel, The Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel, and Bob Marley.

Genre

They seem to lie between several genres. We should at least add ska as a genre.
Barrett Ross (talk) 21:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

- do you have any rationale for this? They don't feature a big selection of ska.. only a few songs. They definetly used to be on the jam circuit though. If anything, their genre should be Corporate Pop, as the creative aspect of their music has been lost to the unwilling mainstream.

"my theory is based purely on personal anecdotes etc -- just feel like lots of stoners i come across are listening more to beat based music nowadays, and that leans a lot towards dubstep since it's not dance oriented"

Except lots of people dance to it! Makes sense tho. And it neatly avoids the latent "disco sucks" mentality of the US general public. SHould we really be hat bummed that rave is finally crossing over here? Maybe something good will come out of it

is there a name for the self-perpetuating cycle of distribution that happens at American colleges, like the scene of a doe-eyed freshmen arriving on campus and being given a burned Pavement CD with a "Listen to this! It'll blow yer mind" uttered by some wizened, alt junior

At one point it would have been 'college radio trainee orientation'

Haha Ned served that function for me as a homeschooled 14 yr old getting into Dinosaur Jr

Wait...I did? How?

Dude, allmusic.com changed my life. I think I read your review of "Where You Been" and DL'd the whole thing, eventually buying all the albums.

Ned's reviews got me into Nick Drake iirc

at a similar age

Really, I spent an obscene amount of time tracking down bands on there. Anything that mentioned "stuttering feedback snorts" etc. was guaranteed a listen. Once you get a fuzz habit, the tendency is to push it as far as it can go.

Homeschooling can really fuck a kid up, but by golly I was hip. I was pretty sure I was the only kid in town who listened to "Hex". Then again, I didnt know any other kids : p

try breaking out of your shell

Nah, its very refined and cosy in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JOl3YaDCQI

Nutty. Well, glad to be able to help! Seriously, that's pretty cool.